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justindew 05-19-2008 11:22 AM

Will I get 2-1?
 
Considering his 101 Beyer Speed Figure will be the highest last-race Beyer in the Belmont field, and considering Kent said he is a monster, will I get 2-1 on Casino Drive, whom I think is the most likely winner of the race?

Also, if someone could give me odds on Casino Drive being named Champion 3-Year-Old, that would be great.

blackthroatedwind 05-19-2008 11:27 AM

Let me know how much 2-1 you want. My window is wide open for you.

By the way, you can think whatever you want, but Casino Drive isn't the " most likely winner. "

Travis Stone 05-19-2008 11:29 AM

The most likely winner by far is Big Brown.

I read a really hilarious post the other day. Someone said, "Now its a matter of whether or not (Big Brown) can handle Casino Drive."

Ha. It's more of a, "Can Casino Drive handle Big Brown?"

slotdirt 05-19-2008 11:30 AM

Come on, guys, betwixt the Japanese flag avatar and the most likely winner stuff, are you really taking Justin seriously? He's already said he's going to be Casino Drive's water-bearer after the banishment of Better than Honour.

justindew 05-19-2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I think you're forgetting Justin also was looking for odds on Zanjero winning a grade 1, so I'm not sure how much he is kidding.

I found someone who gave me 10-1, and I wagered accordingly.

With the likes of Student Council, Grasshopper, Heatseeker, Go Between, and Tiago in the handicap division this year, I don't see how Zanjero can possibly win a Grade I.

Maybe next year.

jwkniska 05-19-2008 11:51 AM

BB will be 1-9. I'm hoping to get about 10-1 on Casino Drive.... it shouldn't be lower than about 7-1 minimum.

justindew 05-19-2008 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
BB will be 1-9. I'm hoping to get about 10-1 on Casino Drive.... it shouldn't be lower than about 7-1 minimum.

If I get 7-1 on The ACE I'm cashing out a CD.

hockey2315 05-19-2008 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
BB will be 1-9. I'm hoping to get about 10-1 on Casino Drive.... it shouldn't be lower than about 7-1 minimum.


Ya right

philcski 05-19-2008 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Considering his 101 Beyer Speed Figure will be the highest last-race Beyer in the Belmont field, and considering Kent said he is a monster, will I get 2-1 on Casino Drive, whom I think is the most likely winner of the race?

Also, if someone could give me odds on Casino Drive being named Champion 3-Year-Old, that would be great.

If Blackthroatedwind can't fill your order @ 2-1 I will be happy to take any remaining amount you want.

justindew 05-19-2008 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
If I recall correctly you also said Street Sense would never start after the Preakness, or something to that effect. How did that work out for you?

I was wrong. I made a prediction, and it was wrong. Isn't that hilarious?

ateamstupid 05-19-2008 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
BB will be 1-9. I'm hoping to get about 10-1 on Casino Drive.... it shouldn't be lower than about 7-1 minimum.

LMAO.. Right.

jwkniska 05-19-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
LMAO.. Right.

remember, since is a triple crown possibility, there will be a ton of dumb money in the pool.

ateamstupid 05-19-2008 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
remember, since is a triple crown possibility, there will be a ton of dumb money in the pool.

Let me get this straight. Currently we're looking at a seven-horse field with no contenders in the race other than those two, and somehow.. 7-1 to 10-1?

Right.

Even if 2-3 more horses enter (as should be expected), there's no way he's higher than 3-1. With the field as it is now, he'll be 5-2 maximum.

mes5107 05-19-2008 12:57 PM

If it were just a 2 horse field, and Big Brown was 1-9, Casino Drive would have to be at least 6-1.

ateamstupid 05-19-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mes5107
If it were just a 2 horse field, and Big Brown was 1-9, Casino Drive would have to be at least 6-1.

Big Brown won't be 1-9.

knickslions2 05-19-2008 01:00 PM

Denis of Cork will get some play. I say Big Brown will be 1-5 or lower, with CD 5-1 at best.

mes5107 05-19-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Big Brown won't be 1-9.

I agree there. I just thought that was the given scenario.

mac attack 05-19-2008 01:24 PM

unless big brown breaks a leg comin out of the gate this one is over before it starts, triple crown winner for sure, you best bet is to make a huge wager on a horse to get second, bb will go of at 1-9, he's showed no reason for him not to be

asudevil 05-19-2008 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
If Blackthroatedwind can't fill your order @ 2-1 I will be happy to take any remaining amount you want.

And if those 2 don't cover all of your action, I would be willing to take on the rest. Cash out CD's, borrow against your 401(k), sell your Wal-Mart stock, reach under your mattress....whatever.

ateamstupid 05-19-2008 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac attack
unless big brown breaks a leg comin out of the gate this one is over before it starts, triple crown winner for sure, you best bet is to make a huge wager on a horse to get second, bb will go of at 1-9, he's showed no reason for him not to be

I counted five things wrong with what you said (out of five).

stonegossard 05-19-2008 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yes, you'll get 2-1.

Most likely winner? I laughed.


This is coming from the same moron who said in another post that the economy is fine.

justindew 05-19-2008 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
This is coming from the same moron who said in another post that the economy is fine.

I keep forgetting that when gas prices are high, the economy is automatically bad.

5% unemployment.

Dow above 13,000.

Median household income up year-over-year, every year.

Yep, sounds horrible.

justindew 05-19-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
This is coming from the same moron who said in another post that the economy is fine.

Also, the fact that you think I actually believe that Casino Drive is the most likely winner proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are the moron.

the_fat_man 05-19-2008 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
This is coming from the same moron who said in another post that the economy is fine.

Ummmmmmmmmm


I think you got DaHoss confused with that PA guy.

justindew 05-19-2008 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well, you had a lot of people fooled man. That's why i was busting your balls about the Street Sense stuff.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22568

ateamstupid 05-19-2008 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
I keep forgetting that when gas prices are high, the economy is automatically bad.

5% unemployment.

Dow above 13,000.

Median household income up year-over-year, every year.

Yep, sounds horrible.

If you take that figure at face value, you're the definition of a sap.

justindew 05-19-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
If you take that figure at face value, you're the definition of a sap.

Well, people who are a lot smarter than I am take those numbers at face value.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/Surv...id=LNS14000000

I love it when people make broad statements like "you're the definition of a sap" and then provide zero evidence to back up the claim. It's a classic method of argumentation for someone who has no argument.

ateamstupid 05-19-2008 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Well, people who are a lot smarter than I am take those numbers at face value.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/Surv...id=LNS14000000

I love it when people make broad statements like "you're the definition of a sap" and then provide zero evidence to back up the claim. It's a classic method of argumentation for someone who has no argument.

I figured you might be smart enough to know why that figure is bullshit, but I guess not.

The number doesn't include people who are unemployed and have stopped looking for work, only people who are still receiving unemployment benefits.

Therefore, it doesn't count the disillusioned and hopeless unemployed, which, considering the economy, is probably a substantial and growing amount of people.

justindew 05-19-2008 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I figured you might be smart enough to know why that figure is bullshit, but I guess not.

The number doesn't include people who are unemployed and have stopped looking for work, only people who are still receiving unemployment benefits.

Therefore, it doesn't count the disillusioned and hopeless unemployed, which, considering the economy, is probably a substantial and growing amount of people.

Fine.

5.1%.

Happy?

ateamstupid 05-19-2008 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Fine.

5.1%.

Happy?

:rolleyes: Nice to see that you haven't abandoned your usual tactics of deflection in carrying the BTH torch.

Cannon Shell 05-19-2008 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I figured you might be smart enough to know why that figure is bullshit, but I guess not.

The number doesn't include people who are unemployed and have stopped looking for work, only people who are still receiving unemployment benefits.

Therefore, it doesn't count the disillusioned and hopeless unemployed, which, considering the economy, is probably a substantial and growing amount of people.

Tell them there are plenty of jobs available at keeneland since the SWAT team ran everybody out of there today.

stonegossard 05-19-2008 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
I keep forgetting that when gas prices are high, the economy is automatically bad.

5% unemployment.

Dow above 13,000.

Median household income up year-over-year, every year.

Yep, sounds horrible.



LOL...Dow above 13000....thats funny. I guess the drop from 14k to 13k isnt bad. How much is The DJIA up this year?

I guess food prices going through the roof and gas prices getting out of hand are good also. Ask people who own restaurants how things are going.

The real estate market is great also huh? People walking away from their homes because they cant pay the mortgage...economy is fine

Tons of people losing jobs on Wall St....thats great also...

No worries at all...economy is fine.


You sir are an idiot of the highest degree.

stonegossard 05-19-2008 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Also, the fact that you think I actually believe that Casino Drive is the most likely winner proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are the moron.


Then why do you post this crap. Do you enjoy acting like a moron. If so continue.


Usually when people post on and on about something I tend to think they mean it.

wac 05-19-2008 08:33 PM

Is there anyway for people in Japan to bet on the race? I have no idea so if its a stupid ? im sorry. Reason i ask is that those people bet with both fists. I remember couple of years ago there was a horse from Japan in the Arc and he went off at like 2-5 i think. Horse was good but i didn't think he was that good. Even so still think he wont go off at higher then CD goes off at higher then 4-1 if not 7-2

justindew 05-19-2008 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
LOL...Dow above 13000....thats funny. I guess the drop from 14k to 13k isnt bad. How much is The DJIA up this year?

I guess food prices going through the roof and gas prices getting out of hand are good also. Ask people who own restaurants how things are going.

The real estate market is great also huh? People walking away from their homes because they cant pay the mortgage...economy is fine

Tons of people losing jobs on Wall St....thats great also...

No worries at all...economy is fine.


You sir are an idiot of the highest degree.

Again, perspective.

Look a at chart of the Dow for the last 5 years. Or the last 10. Or the last 15.

So, the fact that restaurant owners are struggling means the overall economy is bad? Interesting.

Also, we feed the world, in case you didn't know. When food prices go up worldwide, we win.

Interesting logic regarding the housing market. Since a small percentage of people who bought homes that they can't afford are having to become renters (which they should have been all along) instead of owners, the overall economy is bad?

Take an Econ 101 class.

justindew 05-19-2008 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
Then why do you post this crap. Do you enjoy acting like a moron. If so continue.


Usually when people post on and on about something I tend to think they mean it.

I honestly didn't think that making blantantly ridiculous statements about Casino Drive in the tradition of Better Than Honour would confuse so many people, especially since I announced to the board that I was doing that very thing and then gave myself a Japanese flag avatar.

My bad.

For the record, I DO think Casino Drive can win.


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