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Kasept 05-19-2008 06:25 AM

6/7 (BEL): 140th Belmont Stakes
 
11th (6:25) Belmont S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Big Brown Desormeaux K J 126 L
2 Guadalcanal Castellano J J 126
3 Macho Again Gomez G K 126 L
4 Denis of Cork Albarado R J 126 L
5 Casino Drive Prado E S 126
6 Da' Tara Garcia Alan 126 L
7 Tale of Ekati Coa E M 126 L
8 Anak Nakal Leparoux J R 126 L
9 Ready's Echo Velazquez J R 126 L
10 Icabad Crane Rose J 126 L

zippyneedsawin 05-19-2008 06:30 AM

I was hoping to see Pyro and/or Col. John take another shot... maybe their connections will reconsider over the next 3 weeks.

MisterB 05-19-2008 06:36 AM

Why is Tomcito in this race?? :eek: He has done enough. Try the turf for a change.

pmayjr 05-19-2008 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Big Brown
Casino Drive
Denis of Cork
Macho Again
Tale of Ekati
Anak Nakal
Tomcito

What about Monba? He couldn't do any worse than he did in the Derby... or could he... eep!?

slotdirt 05-19-2008 08:11 AM

Colonel John is targeting a Cali race - the Sham maybe?

EDIT: The Swaps in July actually, not the Sham.

sumitas 05-19-2008 08:32 AM

Has the Triple Crown lost it's luster ?

lemoncrush 05-19-2008 08:35 AM

I just laughed out loud when I saw Anak Nakal is being considered.

I would like to see Miner's Claim enter, but I saw he was scratched out of a stakes race Saturday at Woodbine due to illness (colic).

fpsoxfan 05-19-2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
Has the Triple Crown lost it's er ?

Yeah, it's aweful. A sham. No good. Not even worth going to watch. I think I'll climb trees on June 7th and act like a hairy gorilla.

Alan07 05-19-2008 09:03 AM

We're 2 1/2 weeks away... You'll see more horses entered

Coach Pants 05-19-2008 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan07
We're 2 1/2 weeks away... You'll see more horses entered


XIIPointStables 05-19-2008 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
I just laughed out loud when I saw Anak Nakal is being considered.

I was thinking about it this morning and boy would it be familiar to see a Zito trainee jump up and run a big race in the Belmont.

I think Zito is something like 17-1-6-1 in the Belmont.

Not great, but a decent ITM % over that time. A.P Valentine, Royal Assualt, A. Hero all hitting the board at good odds. Plus Birdstone 36-1 on top in 2004.

It's three weeks away, it's only a probable list, but I'll be keeping my eye on the Saratoga workout sheets for Anal Nakal.

SniperSB23 05-19-2008 09:51 AM

No Macho Again, Icabad Crane, Behindatthebar, or Ready's Echo?

tector 05-19-2008 09:52 AM

Why should third string horses run is this race? Hell, even if you win in fluky year (which AIN'T happening this year), it really doesn't increase your stud value. Birdstone is a big $10,000 per shot; Commendable (possibly the worst TC race winner ever) is in frickin' Korea.

Why not try to win the Ohio Derby (May 31) instead of getting dusted at Belmont?

Before the recent mania of "running" (and I use that word advisedly) in every TC race possible, there were often quite short fields in the Belmont--four horses showed up to challenge Secretariat. BB is not Secretariat, but the rest of this lot not in the same league as BB or (probably ) Casino Drive.

As Dirty Harry might have once said, a man's got know his (horse's) limitations.

SniperSB23 05-19-2008 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tector
Why should third string horses run is this race? Hell, even if you win in fluky year (which AIN'T happening this year), it really doesn't increase your stud value. Birdstone is a big $10,000 per shot; Commendable (possibly the worst TC race winner ever) is in frickin' Korea.

Why not try to win the Ohio Derby (May 31) instead of getting dusted at Belmont?

Before the recent mania of "running" (and I use that word advisedly) in every TC race possible, there were often quite short fields in the Belmont--four horses showed up to challenge Secretariat. BB is not Secretariat, but the rest of this lot not in the same league as BB or (probably ) Casino Drive.

As Dirty Harry might have once said, a man's got know his (horse's) limitations.

For a horse like Anak Nakal a third place finish in the Belmont is a lot more likely than winning the Ohio Derby.

Travis Stone 05-19-2008 09:54 AM

Not all TC winning Belmont's were with big fields either.

MisterB 05-19-2008 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
For a horse like Anak Nakal a third place finish in the Belmont is a lot more likely than winning the Ohio Derby.

This horse might like the Aug 2nd race at the Mountain for 750K

Bobby Fischer 05-19-2008 11:48 AM

Actually glad to see the Zito marathoner entered.

Hopefully the field fills out to help with payouts.

justindew 05-19-2008 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Big Brown
Casino Drive
Denis of Cork
Macho Again
Tale of Ekati
Anak Nakal
Tomcito

When Casino Drive wins by open lengths, are people going to say he still hasn't beaten anyone except a tired Big Brown?

Can I get 50-1 on Kent riding Casino Drive, whom I am thinking about referring to henceforth as The ACE? (Free coffee mug to anyone who can explain the nickname.)

fpsoxfan 05-19-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew
When Casino Drive wins by open lengths, are people going to say he still hasn't beaten anyone except a tired Big Brown?

Can I get 50-1 on Kent riding Casino Drive, whom I am thinking about referring to henceforth as The ACE? (Free coffee mug to anyone who can explain the nickname.)

LOL

ArlJim78 05-19-2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
No Macho Again, Icabad Crane, Behindatthebar, or Ready's Echo?

Macho Again is on his list.

philcski 05-19-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
One more question and I think it's fair. Do you even like horse racing? For more than 2 weeks now, almost every single post you have made has been a shot against the sport. You've sat in your glass house and thrown stone after stone.

You've ignored the questions about what you have personally done. Smart move, because it's obvious you do nothing. So, other than the ejaculating stallions, what do you like about the sport? I don't expect an answer, you're a coward, that much is clear. But, it's a fair question, because someone not familiar with your crap might wonder if you enjoy anything about this sport other than the occasional bukake shot Golden missile gives you.

Infinite OOOOOOOOOO...

one of the best posts ever.

Bobby Fischer 05-19-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Anak Nakal is a marathoner?

He has the breeding for it.

His talent level is lacking(assuming he has been perfectly healthy as a 3yo), but it wouldn't be a bad division for him if he ever gets his act together.

SniperSB23 05-19-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr
What about Monba? He couldn't do any worse than he did in the Derby... or could he... eep!?

No one thought he could do any worse than he did in the Fountain of Youth. Then came the Derby.

RolloTomasi 05-19-2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
No Macho Again, Icabad Crane, Behindatthebar, or Ready's Echo?

My guess is that we won't be seeing Behindatthebar in a race anytime soon, if ever again. Even if he was capable of starting, would they really try a 12f race when the colt has never been beyond 8.5f?

Dermot Weld and Aidan O'Brien ought to scour their barns for something to try. I see that Achilll Island has been stinking it up on the 2nd tier circuit in Europe, might as well try and give the now-pensioned Sadler's Wells that elusive Grade 1 winner on dirt. Not sure if the Weld horse from the BC Juvenile Turf has shown back up this year.

tiznowthegreat 05-19-2008 07:33 PM

Icabad Crane is supposedly going.

Behindatthebar, Ready's Echo, Spark Candle are all possible per DRF.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-19-2008 08:03 PM

I'd like to see him try polo.

Charismatic1 05-19-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
I was hoping to see Pyro and/or Col. John take another shot... maybe their connections will reconsider over the next 3 weeks.


Asmussen is the only one who might reconsider. I think they should go, but then again, I'm a sporting type of guy.

As SlotDirt stated, Colonel John's connections are meekly pointing toward the Swaps. Harty can't exactly reconsider because I'm not even sure he has the horse back yet. A friend of mine said he read that they were turning CoJo out at WinStar for approximately two weeks.

We need more trainers like Allen Jerkens who had the guts and some confidence to run Onion and Prove Out against Secretariat. Colonel John made a strong move in the Derby before Nakatani apparently lost control of him and blew the turn at the top of the lane. I think it is well within reason to think he could have gotten up for a nice second had he not lost all momentum, which we know is his kiss of death. I would have come out of the Derby and said, "let's try and get him in the Belmont, which should play to our advantage in terms of distance, schedule, and preparation." Perhaps Big Brown would still drub him, but oh well. TC comes around once. Like Jerkens or Zito with Birdstone or McPeek with Sarava, take a shot. Is potentially missing the Swaps that big a loss? I don't think so.

I know all of this is pretty much preaching to the choir, but I just get agitated at this weak mentality and unwillingness to compete. It's one thing to run horses less often, but to run and hide with those few starts is unacceptable in my eyes.

miraja2 05-20-2008 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Or polo. Either way, just not the Belmont.

I actually think it DOES make sense for them to run him in the Belmont. He ran a respectable enough race in the Kentucky Derby and while he was absolutely awful early in the year he has been....well.....slightly less awful recently.
He reminds me a lot of other Zito horses like Andromeda's Hero and Royal Assault who both combined outstanding distance pedigrees with a one-speed plodding style to hit the board in this race in recent years. I don't think a similar result for Anak Nakal would be completely out of the question.

The interesting thing to me about the field is that if all of the projected horses end up actually running in the race, this field (despite the overall weakness of the crop) strikes me as actually being better than the awful 2005 or 2006 versions of this race.

SniperSB23 05-20-2008 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said. If the goal is to hit the board in the Belmont, they have a shot. I just think he needs some class relief, which this year is sort of funny. And I'm serious about turf. He has some interesting turf runners in his female side.

That is too often the attitude these days and is why we wind up with 4 or 5 horse fields in whatever races a big horse shows up at and then full fields in the big races they skip. And the horses that wind up 6th in the full field probably could have cashed a 2nd or 3rd place check in the race where they may have had little to no shot of actually winning. Zito is the only one that takes advantage of this. Getting Andromeda's Hero close to $1 million on his career was nothing short of a miracle.

Bobby Fischer 05-20-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
And I'm serious about turf. He has some interesting turf runners in his female side.

agreed

cakes44 05-20-2008 10:57 AM

Zito basically refuses to run his horses on turf though.

Danzig 05-20-2008 07:00 PM

so, am i crazy for thinking that tale of ekati could play the spoiler in a couple weeks?

hockey2315 05-20-2008 07:04 PM

Yup

Danzig 05-20-2008 07:07 PM

oh well, i'm still thinking it. someone has to, may as well be him.

but then, i was also told malibu moonshine had no shot a few weeks back. i think he paid close to $40.


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