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wac 05-17-2008 07:21 PM

Wicked style back at CD on wed.
 
Isn't this the horse the won the 2yr old stakes at Keen last fall? IF it is, i remember being very impressed with the way he ran that day as he ran against the bias of the closers friendly surface that was in play during the meet.

ShadowRoll 05-19-2008 06:37 PM

Dominican is in that race, too. Might be interesting.

philcski 05-19-2008 07:22 PM

Pretty nice race for a random Wednesday... but I'm interested in the race before that. The outside horse has some pretty good connections ;) :) :D

hockey2315 05-19-2008 10:49 PM

Unless Churchill secretly switched to poly Dominican won't make any race there more exciting. . .

VOL JACK 05-19-2008 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Unless Churchill secretly switched to poly Dominican won't make any race there more exciting. . .

Im expecting a big race from Dom. I think the price will be square as well with Wicked, Bullara, and Winyah.

Im just very hesitant to make any sizeable wager on a turf race at CD on a weekday, with the rail out in the 4 path.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-19-2008 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wac
Isn't this the horse the won the 2yr old stakes at Keen last fall? IF it is, i remember being very impressed with the way he ran that day as he ran against the bias of the closers friendly surface that was in play during the meet.

He was not against any bias.

He went wire-to-wire, Slew's Tiznow was 2nd every yard of the way. Whoever finished 3rd was 3rd every step of the way. Adriano closed for 4th and was the only horse to do any passing.

The final time and fractions were almost identical to that of a Mott maiden on the undercard.

I think WS isn't much.

the_fat_man 05-20-2008 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He was not against any bias.

He went wire-to-wire, Slew's Tiznow was 2nd every yard of the way. Whoever finished 3rd was 3rd every step of the way. Adriano closed for 4th and was the only horse to do any passing.

The final time and fractions were almost identical to that of a Mott maiden on the undercard.

I think WS isn't much.

I agree, in general. The "Mott maiden' was Court Vision, who 'wiped' them out (on POLY) and then came back to run that ridiculous race next time out in the Iriquois at CD at 8:80 to 1.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-20-2008 12:10 AM

Yeah - I remember BTW asking me for the name of the Mott maiden on the Playing To Win show - and I didn't remember it.

Even though he won back at a price - I can sleep easier at night knowing I never gave out the miserable Court Vision.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Yeah - I remember BTW asking me for the name of the Mott maiden on the Playing To Win show - and I didn't remember it.

Even though he won back at a price - I can sleep easier at night knowing I never gave out the miserable Court Vision.

Funny how IEAH is claiming that they knew all along that Big Brown was going to win the Derby, yet still paid $5 Million for half of Court Vision......that's forgetting that they entered Big Brown in a turf race for his 3YO debut. Of course they claimed he was always pointing for the Blue Grass.....which apparently they didn't nominate him for.

It all makes perfect sense to me.

the_fat_man 05-20-2008 12:21 AM

What's interesting is that even though he 'wiped out' the field, he actually ran 53 feet LESS than the runner up, King's Silver Son. As such, it might've been a bit harder to take him next time out (8:1 or otherwise). Moreover, King's Silver Son ran 2nd yet again in a MSW earlier on the Iroquois card, going 8.5F--a race run in ridiculously pedestrian fractions, yet, won by a last mover.

Go figure.

I just love TRAKUS.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-20-2008 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Funny how IEAH is claiming that they knew all along that Big Brown was going to win the Derby, yet still paid $5 Million for half of Court Vision......that's forgetting that they entered Big Brown in a turf race for his 3YO debut. Of course they claimed he was always pointing for the Blue Grass.....which apparently they didn't nominate him for.

It all makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah - they should be called LIEAH

The Indomitable DrugS 05-20-2008 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
What's interesting is that even though he 'wiped out' the field, he actually ran 53 feet LESS than the runner up, King's Silver Son. As such, it might've been a bit harder to take him next time out (8:1 or otherwise). Moreover, King's Silver Son ran 2nd yet again in a MSW earlier on the Iroquois card, going 8.5F--a race run in ridiculous pedestrian fractions, yet, won by a last mover.

Go figure.

I just love TRAKUS.

CV rode the inside in that race - but at Keeneland - that's not any edge.

Speed started to do a lot better it seemed when the jocks started to avoid the rail - the pacesetter often in the 4 path.

the_fat_man 05-20-2008 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
CV rode the inside in that race - but at Keeneland - that's not any edge.

Speed started to do a lot better it seemed when the jocks started to avoid the rail - the pacesetter often in the 4 path.

This is general stuff.

What's been omitted to this point is the fact that Wicked Style got the lead all alone when Gold Train, who was to his inside and contesting the pace with him, was pulled up entering the backstretch.

hockey2315 05-20-2008 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Im expecting a big race from Dom. I think the price will be square as well with Wicked, Bullara, and Winyah.

Im just very hesitant to make any sizeable wager on a turf race at CD on a weekday, with the rail out in the 4 path.

Just realized it's a turf race - that's better for him then, I guess. . .

brianwspencer 05-20-2008 09:35 AM

Well that sucks, for awhile they thought he was going to come to Arlington this weekend for the American Classic. Perhaps they chose a different route.

Still sucks, wanted to see him again.

wac 05-20-2008 02:00 PM

The reason i thought there was a bias was b/c i thought the track was playing mainly to closers last fall and this horse jumped from an outside post and led i thought all the way around. Sorry if i was mistaken.

freddymo 05-20-2008 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He was not against any bias.

He went wire-to-wire, Slew's Tiznow was 2nd every yard of the way. Whoever finished 3rd was 3rd every step of the way. Adriano closed for 4th and was the only horse to do any passing.

The final time and fractions were almost identical to that of a Mott maiden on the undercard.

I think WS isn't much.

So you want to toss WS?? Who do you like Lt. Redboard? Nice to see TFM working with you .. Nice tag team scenario you two guys grinding races finding winners..

Halfbridled 05-20-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Well that sucks, for awhile they thought he was going to come to Arlington this weekend for the American Classic. Perhaps they chose a different route.

Still sucks, wanted to see him again.

I would have liked to see him again too. I picked him for the Washington Futurity because he was acting up in the paddock, and he's been one of my favorites ever since.

Bobby Fischer 05-20-2008 04:50 PM

A.P. Excellent is the horse I would play against here. I think Sherrifs got everything out of this horse. He stumbled along in a weak race for 2nd last time and should be overbet.
odds are up
http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...her_110945.pdf

fast4
Bullara
A.P. Excellent
Wicked Style
Faith's Magic



Good spot for Domincan here (can't believe this is 1st turf try), Winyah is the race-shape longshot.

VOL JACK 05-20-2008 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
A.P. Excellent is the horse I would play against here. I think Sherrifs got everything out of this horse. He stumbled along in a weak race for 2nd last time and should be overbet.
odds are up
http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...her_110945.pdf

fast4
Bullara
A.P. Excellent
Wicked Style
Faith's Magic



Good spot for Domincan here (can't believe this is 1st turf try), Winyah is the race-shape longshot.


What, you dont think Naill O'c cant move a horse up? HAHA

Gonna use Dom on top and try to get Faiths magic in the Ex and tri. I may be playing homer with FM since he made my Kee meet.

ShadowRoll 05-21-2008 08:30 AM

How will the turf come up today? By the 8th?

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll
How will the turf come up today? By the 8th?

on the CD site they have it as firm since 8:30 this morning. Lane3 22ft. Leaving the question bolded for anyone with firsthand knowledge.



I wouldn't be shocked if that Five star Theif gets up for 4th. You look at his form and those were decent races in terms of raw times and final quarters. He switched to dirt and had a bad race. Then the layoff and he comes back into a fast 6.5 on the dirt and ran fairly evenly. Would be nice if CD could get video replays up today, and I could see if he was wrapped up or abused in the stretch. Today returns to ideal surface and distance offers big boost to dime super.

also note fav RAsierra scractched from race 7 in that 9 furlong filly race. 789 pik3

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 10:06 AM

that horse is very beatable

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
that horse is very beatable

Wicked Style ?

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 10:38 AM

for those interested Fairgrounds Replays
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SIEhxn0cWwo

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Wicked Style ?

yes

the_fat_man 05-21-2008 10:41 AM

wtf?

From the quotes I've seen it seems that Fischer has selected just about EVERY horse in the race.

NOW, THAT'S HAVING AN OPINION

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
wtf?

From the quotes I've seen it seems that Fischer has selected just about EVERY horse in the race.

NOW, THAT'S HAVING AN OPINION

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24753683/from/ET/

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 10:56 AM

and who do you like FAT MAN ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
wtf?

From the quotes I've seen it seems that Fischer has selected just about EVERY horse in the race.

NOW, THAT'S HAVING AN OPINION

I like Bullara. I am really looking to see if AP Excellent is heavily backed. I think that horse is finished, and I am looking for the underlay. Otherwise I will pass the race.

Do you have an opinion?

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
The replay for the race you're talking about is up on the Churchill site.

Thanks, I had to switch to Netscape for some reason.

Gate Dancer 05-21-2008 12:19 PM

Really like Winyah as an exacta horse in this race. Has some proven turf form and a rerun of his FG race should have him in the hunt. Should help pump up the price as he will be overlooked. Plenty of pace in here to push A.P. Excellent and not convinced that first turfers Wicked Style and Dominican will both run wild. Will have to cover with Bullara also but still believe there is a dollar to be made.

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 03:23 PM

some wagers around the wicked style race

r7 doubles
1 with 1,2,8
3 with 1,2


r7 pick 3
1x 1,2,8 x 1,3,4,5,6

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 03:55 PM

for the "feature race"
r8 doubles
128 x 13456
128 x 4



100 show on #2 Dominican *finish out big AP!*

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 03:57 PM

for fun: didn't get this in

dime super 128 x 128 x 123568 x 123568 = 7.20

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 04:01 PM

wrong.........

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
A.P. Excellent is the horse I would play against here. I think Sherrifs got everything out of this horse. He stumbled along in a weak race for 2nd last time and should be overbet.
odds are up
http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...her_110945.pdf

fast4
Bullara
A.P. Excellent
Wicked Style
Faith's Magic



Good spot for Domincan here (can't believe this is 1st turf try), Winyah is the race-shape longshot.

wrong

Bobby Fischer 05-21-2008 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
for the "feature race"
r8 doubles
128 x 13456
128 x 4



100 show on #2 Dominican *finish out big AP!*

4.40 x 50 = $220.00



very oddly run race with Bullara and Wicked style playing no part in the pace, and Winyah going out on the pace. Sometimes you don't see what you would expect. Hopefully VOL JACK crushed this race again with Faith's Magic!



Thanks for playing Hooves. :D

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
some wagers around the wicked style race

r7 doubles
1 with 1,2,8
3 with 1,2


r7 pick 3
1x 1,2,8 x 1,3,4,5,6

what about these

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
for the "feature race"
r8 doubles
128 x 13456
128 x 4



100 show on #2 Dominican *finish out big AP!*

and your d/d:eek:


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