Big Brown vs. The Others
 

Is he that good or are the others that bad?

Spyder

both

the others are that bad AND he is that good

Im afraid that you are right on both counts. Seems like all year long everyone on here said this crop of 3yr olds were lousy and i said well lets wait and see. Well i've seen and they are lousy. I just can't believe that this group is one race from the Holy Grail. Unreal

so how would he compare to the "good ones" from the last 10 years? I say he would be right there.

Spyder

The others are that bad. The times are pretty much average for the winners of the derby and preakness. Casino will take care of him in 3 weeks.

This race had only 2 other horses that have won graded stakes. So basically he ran against a bunch of NX2.

So far, he looks just like many others who have failed in the 3rd leg. They've almost all won the Preakness in dominating performances. The difference I see with this horse though, is he is waiting for orders. Sometimes he seems almost as smart as a dog.

The two horses that Big Brown was stalking through three quarters finished neck and neck in 11th and 12th places . Twenty five lengths behind Big Brown.

I was on Gayego in the Derby and skipped playing the second jewel, but I will be rooting for Big Brown to to take home the triple crown.

Both of them, though, were destined for that fate. . . Gayego was way over the top and was sent too hard (not that that wasn't his best chance to win) and Riley Tucker is clearly not a dirt horse. . . or much of a horse for that matter. . .

FUNNY CIDE dominated the Preakness,too. Recent history shows the Derby Winners seem to actually peak in the Preakness. They are usually still good enough to win the Preakness or Derby (3 weeks later,) but that isn't the task at hand.

He hasn't beaten anything yet, but he is a hell of a horse.

As a fan, you want to see him in a couple of dogfights.

It is highly improbable as his stud value reaches a cieling that he will race for very long, but this is a horse with a talent and a pedigree that is very exciting as far as possibilities.
He could potentially compete with the best classic distance dirt runners in the world and probably, kick @$$ on turf and ANY brand of synthetic as well. You want to see his full ability and actually be challenged.

If the triple crown is his, you almost want to see a PAY-PER-VIEW race made around BIG BROWN and CURLIN, with guaranteed earnings paid to both of those just for showing up, along with some world class invities. - even if it is within the infrastructure of an existing graded stakes event.

Zenyata, Curlin, and Big Brown in a 10f fight (that would be pretty good.) Somebody in a white robe should make it happen. Winner gets 10 mil. Call it the race of the century.

Z-Z-Zenyatta . . . Really?

Azeri is scheduled to come out of retirement to take on those "boys" in the SUPER CLASSIC. Paulson said she will be fresh and ready off the layoff, and should easily handle the likes of Curlin and Big Brown.

On a synthetic equalizing surface, Zenyatta would have an outside chance perhaps.

Zenyata would be fun.


an equalizing synthetic would be awesome if that meant that we also get the top 2 or 3 turf horses in the world to join in.
Keeneland's Poly?

zenyatta handled dirt at oaklawn...and we know curlin is beatable by a female..:rolleyes:
would be an interesting race. but as far as an 'equalizing' surface...poly horses run well on that, and dirt horses on dirt-but you don't necessarily see anything equal when either set runs on the others' surface.

Well Curlin has never run on synthetic, so who knows?

Curlin's Preakness win was considerably more impressive than Big Brown's. That isn't even rationally debatable. Big Brown is a very nice horse who is beating significant lessers.

Yeah, I really wonder what this horse would look like in a more competive crop. I have to imagine they will be hard pressed to give this race much more than a 100 Beyer and he won as easily as can be.

I didn't pay attention to the other times but it's hard to believe the likes of Icabad Crane, Macho Again and Racecar Rhapsody ran over the low 90s which puts the winner around a 100. On the other hand, today's win was a very rare case of a horse that legitimately could have won by more.

Big Brown is pretty good. But he would have gotten his head handed to him by the Silver Charm - Touch Gold - Free House crew.....and at that time most of us were saying that Silver Charm wouldn't have been a deserving TC winner. How times have changed. At this point, however, I'm ambivalent. I'm very glad we have a horse going for the TC. If he wins....great. If he loses.....that's OK too. It's not going to change anything about the game either way.

I'll still be pounding away on the Sunday card at Belmont on June 8th regardless.

FTFY

There's no racing scheduled for the day after the Belmont.

NT

In 1998 Yankees won 114 games and won an additional 11 in the postseason and won the World Series. In 2006 the St,Louis Cardinals limped into the playoffs after winning 83 games. They got on a roll and won the World Series. The Yanks didn't get extra credit because they won more games. Both organizations won a World Series championship.

The analogy I'm trying to make is it's pointless to compare different years, era's, etc. Curlin had his foes and Big Brown has his. If Big Brown is good enough to win the Belmont Stakes he should be held in high regard for accomplishing the feat. Winning the Triple Crown is a very difficult thing to win.

Spectacular Bid was one of the best horses to ever run. He failed to win the Belmont. Perhaps Dutrow Jr. should ban women and Ron Franklin from entering the barn area for the next three weeks. Big Brown has a big test ahead of him. They don't call the Belmont Stakes " The Test of The Champion for nothing.

That's the first time they ever did that in modern times.

OK.....I'll be pounding away on my birthday.

Winning the TC will not make him a better horse than he is.

Obviously, his talent level is what it is regardless of whether he wins the Belmont. But.....

I don't see how anyone can say they know how good he is, with the exception of his (biased) jockey and trainer. Big Brown has never been remotely tested by another horse. He's had to overcome more in the way of circumstance (injury, missed training, tough post, etc.) than he has in the way of opposition.

Can anyone argue that Big Brown COULD NOT have run the Derby one second faster had they gone one second faster in the opening 6 furlongs? I mean, the only possible knocks against him are his final times, which are a product of his opposition.

There's no doubt that he has beaten a weak group this year. Probably the weakest group I have seen since I began following the sport in 1995. And while there were no Silver Charms or Smarty Jonses in the field, it's difficult for me to imagine Big Brown losing to either of them.

Yes, I can....and I will for as long as I follow racing. This kind of thought is simply wrong. In fact, had he gone his first 6 Furlongs a second faster he almost certainly would have run a slower final time. Had the fraction been a scond faster, and Big Brown been six lengths farther back while running the same six furlong time, he probably would have gone a very similar time.

You just used the words "almost certainly" and "probably" while saying my thought was "simply wrong". I'll take the small element of doubt and combine it with the fact that he won as he pleased and say he could have run faster.

Also, I am rooting for Casino Drive, and I expect to be disappointed.

You don't get it.

and i bet he won't.

If by "it" you mean your point, yes I do get it. You are saying with "almost certainty" that had Big Brown run the opening 3/4 mile of the Derby in 1:10 3/5 rather than 1:11 3/5, he would have likely not been able to come home in :25 2/5 as he did, and would have instead come home in slower than :26 2/5. Based on seeing him in the Derby and yesterday, I think he could have come home faster than :26 2/5, resulting in a faster final time.

Just because I disagree with your opinion doesn't mean I don't understand your opinion.

It isn't every year you turn 50.

Ouch.

.....L.O.L:rolleyes:

a comparison could be made to seattle slew's 1977 opponents.

another year where one standout dominated a seemingly weak group. but then there was j.o. tobin in the swaps.

slew would be remembered as a 3crown champion regardless but his 4yo campaign removed the question marks.

big brown is likely going to have to do it all this year.

i question the likelihood he has an a.p. indy in him.

very true..of course his two year old season, and winning the t.c. undefeated put him in rarified air. but he certainly 'backed up' his three year old season with his four year old campaign.