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robfla 05-11-2008 06:17 PM

5/16 (PIM): Black Eyed Susan S. (Gr. II)
 
Black-Eyed Susan S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000


1 Sweet Vendetta Hill C
2 Maren's Meadow Saez G
3 Sherine Garcia Alan
4 Highest Class Albarado R J
5 Bsharpsonata Camacho E
6 Seattle Smooth Prado E S
7 One Step Ahead Morales P
8 Shes All Eltish Gomez G K
9 Pious Ashley Desormeaux K J



Finally, Shes All Eltish gets a real jockey

tiggerv 05-11-2008 06:37 PM

Nice...She's All Eltish...I may have to take Friday off and head up there

philcski 05-11-2008 11:10 PM

Super Friday card at Pimlico. Looks like the local horsemen are supporting the big weekend well, with full fields in all of the MSW/allowance races.

Pimlico Special came up much better than I expected, even if they're really G2-G3 types, it's a full field and an excellent betting race.

ateamstupid 05-12-2008 12:37 AM

5/16 (PIM): Pimlico Special/B-E Susan Day Card
 
8th (3:40) Adena Stallions' Miss Preakness S. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Casanova Killer Rose J 116 LA
2 Hadavision Dominguez R A 122 LA
3 Peisinoe Solis A 116 LA
4 Palanka City Emigh C A 122 LA
5 Passion Velazquez J R 122 LA
6 Beau's Valentine Rose J 116 LA
7 Kosmo's Buddy Camacho E 116 LA
8 Story of a Lion Acosta J D 116 LA



9th (4:12) Woodlawn S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $75,000

1 Termsofengagement Napravnik A R 116 L
2 Baltimore Bob Karamanos H A 116
3 Hatta Fort (GB) Gomez G K 116 L
4 Malibu Kid Rodriguez E D 116 LA
5 M J's Enchanteur Rose J 116 LA
6 Hugo Dominguez R A 116 LA
7 Prussian Desormeaux K J 122 LA
8 Midnite Communion Prado E S 116 LA
9 Generalissimo Camacho E 116 LA



10th (4:40) Maryland Lottery Pimlico Special H. (G1)

1 3/16 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Ryan's for Real Rodriguez E D 115 LA
2 Gottcha Gold Lopez C C 118 L
3 Student Council Bridgmohan S X 118 LA
4 A. P. Arrow Dominguez R A 122 LA
5 Xchanger Gomez G K 115 LA
6 Wanderin Boy Desormeaux K J 118 LA
7 Grasshopper Albarado R J 117 L
8 Sir Whimsey Prado E S 117 LA
9 Temporary Saint Velazquez J R 114 LA



11th (5:12) The Very One S.

5 Furlongs (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $75,000

1 Drama Lady Gomez G K 118 LA
2 Bikini Atoll Rose J 118 LA
3 Weeks Karamanos H A 118 LA
4 Appeal to the City Napravnik A R 118 LA
5 Lizzierna Pennington F 118 LA
6 Privately Approved Karamanos H A 118 LA
7 All Giving Rodriguez E D 124 LA
8 Kosmo's Buddy Camacho E 116 LA
9 Bobbilinkapoo Camacho E 118 LA
10 Anofficerandalady Dominguez R A 118 LA
11 Smart and Fancy Pino M G 118 L
12 Akronism Morales P 118 LA
13 Cat On a Cloud Alvarado R Jr 118 LA
14 Ahvee's Destiny Lopez C C 118 LA
AE Long Time Gone Morales P 118 LA
AE Acinonyx Dominguez R A 118 LA
AE Double Blossom Bracaloni N D 118 L



12th (5:45) Black-Eyed Susan S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

2 Sweet Vendetta Hill C 122 LA
3 Maren's Meadow Saez G 122 LA
1 Sherine Garcia Alan 122 L
4 Highest Class Albarado R J 116 LA
5 Bsharpsonata Camacho E 122 LA
6 Seattle Smooth Prado E S 122 L
7 One Step Ahead Morales P 116 L
8 Shes All Eltish Gomez G K 122 L
1A Pious Ashley Desormeaux K J 116 L

A-Coupled: Sherine and Pious Ashley L

zippyneedsawin 05-12-2008 04:34 AM

Black-Eyed Susan


http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...ssa_110345.pdf

zippyneedsawin 05-12-2008 04:35 AM

Pimlico Special:


http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...her_110347.pdf



Miss Preakness:

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...her_110346.pdf

Alan07 05-12-2008 08:32 AM

Scratchings announced Wednesday

pweizer 05-12-2008 08:56 AM

Interesting that Chuck Lopez chose Gottcha Gold over Temporary Saint in the Pimlico Special. Actually, pretty amazing that he has options in a Grade one race.

Paul

philcski 05-12-2008 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pweizer
Interesting that Chuck Lopez chose Gottcha Gold over Temporary Saint in the Pimlico Special. Actually, pretty amazing that he has options in a Grade one race.

Paul

He made the right choice, even if Gottcha Gold's ideal distance is shorter than a mile and 3/16ths.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-12-2008 04:42 PM

like to know how wandering boy is gonna get 1 3/16..........

ateamstupid 05-12-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
like to know how wandering boy is gonna get 1 3/16..........

If everyone but the deep closers scratch, the track is wet, nobody else gets out of the gate, etc.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-12-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
If everyone but the deep closers scratch, the track is wet, nobody but him gets out of the gate, etc.

could happen..lol

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2008 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
He made the right choice, even if Gottcha Gold's ideal distance is shorter than a mile and 3/16ths.

He may have made the right choice. However, I doubt either will do much more this year but maybe Gotcha Gold will get loose in some stake at Monmouth.

Neither is really in the hunt Friday but I bet Temporary Saint beats Gotcha Gold.

RolloTomasi 05-12-2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07
Scratchings announced Wednesday

I think one of the fillies in the Miss Preakness (Piesinoe?) just ran yesterday in the Railbird at Hollywood. I'd imagine she'd scratch.

philcski 05-12-2008 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
like to know how wandering boy is gonna get 1 3/16..........

Trivia:

Wandering Boy was actually the 4/5 favorite the last time this race was run.

The winner? INVASOR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He may have made the right choice. However, I doubt either will do much more this year but maybe Gotcha Gold will get loose in some stake at Monmouth.

Neither is really in the hunt Friday but I bet Temporary Saint beats Gotcha Gold.

I got Gottcha Gold over Temporary Saint for another beer against ya. Action plays, even if they finish 2nd last and dead last.

ddthetide 05-12-2008 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
If everyone but the deep closers scratch, the track is wet, nobody else gets out of the gate, etc.

we've gotten 2-3" of rain in the last 36hrs and they are calling for t-storms thurs and friday. i'll be shocked if the track is not wet.

ateamstupid 05-12-2008 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
we've gotten 2-3" of rain in the last 36hrs and they are calling for t-storms thurs and friday. i'll be shocked if the track is not wet.

D,

Read the other factors necessary for Wanderin Boy to run well. Obviously the track was wet at Churchill, and that wasn't enough. My point was that he basically needs a freaking meteor to hit the other horses to have a chance.

tiznowthegreat 05-12-2008 09:35 PM

Does anybody say a way Hatta Fort loses in the Woodlawn?

ateamstupid 05-12-2008 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
Does anybody say a way Hatta Fort loses in the Woodlawn?

I was asking myself the same thing. My only question is why they didn't go in the Crown Royal two weeks ago.. Still, he looks tons the best on paper.

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2008 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I was asking myself the same thing. My only question is why they didn't go in the Crown Royal two weeks ago.. Still, he looks tons the best on paper.

Not like them to run back that quickly....though I'm not sure what an ungraded $75K stake does for him. To me, they are underrating him, especially against our turf horses. He's AOK.

Of course, his defeat last time cost me a small fortune.

ateamstupid 05-12-2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not like them to run back that quickly....though I'm not sure what an ungraded $75K stake does for him. To me, they are underrating him, especially against our turf horses. He's AOK.

Of course, his defeat last time cost me a small fortune.

I didn't think 26 days was all that quick of a comeback, and the Crown Royal was graded, with double the purse of the Woodlawn. Just seems odd to me, but maybe you're right, and they just wanted to give him the extra time.

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I didn't think 26 days was all that quick of a comeback, and the Crown Royal was graded, with double the purse of the Woodlawn. Just seems odd to me, but maybe you're right, and they just wanted to give him the extra time.


No, you're right, it's a little strange. He could do a somersault and drown that field on Friday assuming it's on the grass. I guess Prussian might be OK but the rest of them aren't much.

He only lost by a few lengths to some monsters in Europe. I won't be surprised if he turns out to be the best 3YO turf horse in the country.

philcski 05-12-2008 10:22 PM

I gotta say, I REALLY like Highest Class in the Black Eyed Susan. She had all kinds of issues in her last at GP, last early and wide around the first turn behind a slow pace, started to make a run then checked and got shuffled back nearing the far turn, and after that the jockey didn't really press on. Seems to be a huge filly who takes a while to get going, but she ran on with Proud Spell in her race at the Fair Grounds and didn't lose a step to that one. Fired a bullet work, on top of it. I think there's enough pace in here to set her up and we might, if we're lucky, get 5-1...

philcski 05-12-2008 10:24 PM

another trivia:

name the BC Mile winner who registered his first career stakes victory in the Woodlawn.

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
I gotta say, I REALLY like Highest Class in the Black Eyed Susan. She had all kinds of issues in her last at GP, last early and wide around the first turn behind a slow pace, started to make a run then checked and got shuffled back nearing the far turn, and after that the jockey didn't really press on. Seems to be a huge filly who takes a while to get going, but she ran on with Proud Spell in her race at the Fair Grounds and didn't lose a step to that one. Fired a bullet work, on top of it. I think there's enough pace in here to set her up and we might, if we're lucky, get 5-1...


Was there a third turn....because she was hardly wide around the first turn I saw her on. She's not impossible but I'm not a fan of suck up plodder types. However, I really haven't finished looking at the race.

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
another trivia:

name the BC Mile winner who registered his first career stakes victory in the Woodlawn.


Artie Schiller. It was amazing he paid $8 that day. Timo was, unbelievably, the favorite. Artie was awesome winning that race.

ateamstupid 05-12-2008 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
No, you're right, it's a little strange. He could do a somersault and drown that field on Friday assuming it's on the grass. I guess Prussian might be OK but the rest of them aren't much.

He only lost by a few lengths to some monsters in Europe. I won't be surprised if he turns out to be the best 3YO turf horse in the country.

Prussian would be an inclusion for me if there weren't so much speed in the race. Like you said, even if Hatta Fort isn't at his best for some reason, he should probably win easily.

philcski 05-12-2008 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Artie Schiller. It was amazing he paid $8 that day. Timo was, unbelievably, the favorite. Artie was awesome winning that race.

Of course. I believe it was like the 5th race of the day, and I cold punched a double of him and Abbondanza (RIP) that paid something ridiculous for a 3-1 and 6-1. I love Preakness day. Wonder why they moved the Woodlawn this year?

philcski 05-12-2008 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Was there a third turn....because she was hardly wide around the first turn I saw her on. She's not impossible but I'm not a fan of suck up plodder types. However, I really haven't finished looking at the race.

Just rewatched the race, she wasn't as wide as I had noted, only the two or three path. Had to check several times though, and she doesn't appear to have much re-acceleration, so she'll need racing room to win of course.

She may be a plodder suck up type, but I'm a sucker for those types in these kind of races, and the only other one I actually like in here is Bsharpsonata who probably doesn't want two turns on dirt (especially coming back in 2 weeks), and I don't trust She's All Eltish to repeat her GP race (which was admittedly OK) off the turf detour in between. You can have the Zayat entry, for that matter.

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2008 10:48 PM

I hate Bsharpsonata in here. I don't think she wants to go this far either, especially on the dirt as you noted, and I felt before her last race that her streak had come to an end. A lot of racing without a break if you ask me. Plus, I thought she was dreadful in the Oaks.

philcski 05-12-2008 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I hate Bsharpsonata in here. I don't think she wants to go this far either, especially on the dirt as you noted, and I felt before her last race that her streak had come to an end. A lot of racing without a break if you ask me. Plus, I thought she was dreadful in the Oaks.

Dreadful is probably too harsh, as she was beaten only a length for 2nd behind the winner who was flat out awesome, but she definitely packed it in in the last furlong after really getting away with pretty reasonable fractions. They'd be better off putting her on the bench and waiting for the Acorn, where'd she'd be a solid 2nd choice behind Indian Blessing. What does this race do for her, exactly? She's already a multiple G2 winner.

End result, I don't like her either, and she'll take a fair bit of money.

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2008 10:59 PM

She would get destroyed in the Acorn.

She was coasting last time and came up dead empty. Little Belle beat her. That's enough for me. And, Pure Clan even beat her, and she got one of the worst rides of the year.

philcski 05-12-2008 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
She would get destroyed in the Acorn.

She was coasting last time and came up dead empty. Little Belle beat her. That's enough for me. And, Pure Clan even beat her, and she got one of the worst rides of the year.

OOOOOOOOOO

I laughed

ddthetide 05-13-2008 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
She would get destroyed in the Acorn.

She was coasting last time and came up dead empty. Little Belle beat her. That's enough for me. And, Pure Clan even beat her, and she got one of the worst rides of the year.

i also couldn't understand the ride she got. she's not run on the lead all winter. i think you're right about the extra distance, the mile might be her best race.

VOL JACK 05-13-2008 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Artie Schiller. It was amazing he paid $8 that day. Timo was, unbelievably, the favorite. Artie was awesome winning that race.

One of my first nice hits came while playing against Artie in a stake at PIM. In the Dixie (G2) when I bet Cool Conductor over artie and singled him in all my p4s. Looking back, I still can't beleive I played a Ralph Nicks horse. But I had just started playing the races, and ignorance was bliss.

slotdirt 05-13-2008 08:24 AM

Dare I say it: The Black-Eyed Susan and Preakness cards are going to be infinitely more fun to play than the Derby and Oaks cards. I love these cards.

blackthroatedwind 05-13-2008 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
i also couldn't understand the ride she got. she's not run on the lead all winter. i think you're right about the extra distance, the mile might be her best race.


I am talking about Prado on Pure Clan.

ddthetide 05-13-2008 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I am talking about Prado on Pure Clan.

sorry. i didn't like the ride BSharp got either.

blackthroatedwind 05-13-2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
sorry. i didn't like the ride BSharp got either.

The horse went to the lead in a paceless race. If only the horses I bet always did that.


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