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Better Than Honour 05-05-2008 01:02 PM
Big Brown is no Preakness lock
 
Does anyone know the status of Harlem Rocker for the Preakness. This horse will be a serious problem for Big Brown. Obviously I hope Big Brown doesn't turn out like Barbaro, but Harlem Rocker could be this year's Bernardini.

the_fat_man 05-05-2008 01:05 PM
Sounds like you've hit on something. I'd drain the accounts.

Better Than Honour 05-05-2008 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Sounds like you've hit on something. I'd drain the accounts.
I think they want to run in the Queens Plate trial, but why? There is basically a guaranteed 2nd place check in a million dollar race for him. I would take on Big Brown now off two weeks rest. There is a chance he will never get a chance to see him again if he goes to the Queens Plate.

MaTH716 05-05-2008 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
I think they want to run in the Queens Plate trial, but why? There is basically a guaranteed 2nd place check in a million dollar race for him. I would take on Big Brown now off two weeks rest. There is a chance he will never get a chance to see him again if he goes to the Queens Plate.
But if you are so quick to give Harlem Rocker a chance against BB, why do you mention the second place check?

kgar311 05-05-2008 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
Does anyone know the status of Harlem Rocker for the Preakness. This horse will be a serious problem for Big Brown. Obviously I hope Big Brown doesn't turn out like Barbaro, but Harlem Rocker could be this year's Bernardini.
Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

It absolutely nausiates my to come on this site and watch the blatent hating that goes on here. Everytime a horse puts in a spectacular performance here you people are to bring a horse back down to earth with stupid rants about, well he aint no Street Sense or Real Quiet or who ever you want to compare him to. Lets state Fact: He cant win out of the 20 post...Wrong, He cant win off of 3 races...wrong his feet wont hold up...wrong. This horse had the odds stacked aganst him and he shined like a champion. I would just like to hear the excuses on how he cant win the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15.
According to you people he is the worst horse ever to win the Derby.

XIIPointStables 05-05-2008 01:32 PM
I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.

MaTH716 05-05-2008 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.
How long were you holding you breath on the turn?

horseofcourse 05-05-2008 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgar311
Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

It absolutely nausiates my to come on this site and watch the blatent hating that goes on here. Everytime a horse puts in a spectacular performance here you people are to bring a horse back down to earth with stupid rants about, well he aint no Street Sense or Real Quiet or who ever you want to compare him to. Lets state Fact: He cant win out of the 20 post...Wrong, He cant win off of 3 races...wrong his feet wont hold up...wrong. This horse had the odds stacked aganst him and he shined like a champion. I would just like to hear the excuses on how he cant win the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15.
According to you people his is the worst horse ever to win the Derby.
Well, I really didn't think there was any way Smarty Jones could lose the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15. Then they ran the race. I don't think anyone has ever called him the worst horse to ever win the Derby one single time. I think what you are seeing is people questioning the strength of this crop of 3 yr olds, a general dislike of his connections and looking for a way to beat the favorite at the window.

kgar311 05-05-2008 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Well, I really didn't think there was any way Smarty Jones could lose the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15. Then they ran the race. I don't think anyone has ever called him the worst horse to ever win the Derby one single time. I think what you are seeing is people questioning the strength of this crop of 3 yr olds, a general dislike of his connections and looking for a way to beat the favorite at the window.
Find me one thread where anybody gives this horse his due. Hell with the rest of the 18 piece of crap horses in the race. He drew away from the filly that was running out of her shoes and had the perfect trip. Just comparing what he did to her makes him special in my book. He single handedly broke that horse down because she ran her heart out to catch him and couldnt come close. And I dont want to hear anythng about her being a filly she was an awesome specimen.

blackthroatedwind 05-05-2008 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

I stopped reading after this comment.

I'm assuming I didn't miss much.

kgar311 05-05-2008 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I stopped reading after this comment.

I'm assuming I didn't miss much.
Start making the excuses for Harlem Rocker right now on why he couldnt hold BB's jock in the Preakness

The Bid 05-05-2008 01:50 PM
I dont think hell need any excuses.

I would like to see Miners Claim run on a dirt surface, Preakness would be nice

IrishofNDMan 05-05-2008 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.
I'm think the same thing, find the Scrappy T type second place horse and nail a Trifecta for $20 or so.

Better Than Honour 05-05-2008 01:55 PM
Harlem Rocker is a very serious racehorse. He threw up a 106 beyer and he is still very green. This isn't Pyro or Colonel John. This is a horse that has proven he is fast. There is no reason to think he can't run a 110 beyer and that puts him right in the ballpark.

Like I said it the title of this post, Big Brown in no lock. He is your likely winner but no lock. The Harlem Rocker- Bernardini comparison has to be made. Harlem Rocker beat a very good horse in the Withers, very easily.

freddymo 05-05-2008 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgar311
Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

It absolutely nausiates my to come on this site and watch the blatent hating that goes on here. Everytime a horse puts in a spectacular performance here you people are to bring a horse back down to earth with stupid rants about, well he aint no Street Sense or Real Quiet or who ever you want to compare him to. Lets state Fact: He cant win out of the 20 post...Wrong, He cant win off of 3 races...wrong his feet wont hold up...wrong. This horse had the odds stacked aganst him and he shined like a champion. I would just like to hear the excuses on how he cant win the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15.
According to you people he is the worst horse ever to win the Derby.
He might be the greatest ever he might be just the top of his class. the point is that it's way to soon to call him anything other then a super nice colt in a year when there isnt one single other colt that ran a 100 BSF in the Derby. Imagine not one single colt was capable of running with Big Brown. Most years at least 4 or 5 colts run triple digit figs.. Anybody who knocks the colt is crazy but you really can't exhalt him to any real peaks when his competition is just so below par.

Payson Dave 05-05-2008 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
Find me one thread where anybody gives this horse his due. Hell with the rest of the 18 piece of crap horses in the race. He drew away from the filly that was running out of her shoes and had the perfect trip. Just comparing what he did to her makes him special in my book. He single handedly broke that horse down because she ran her heart out to catch him and couldnt come close. And I dont want to hear anythng about her being a filly she was an awesome specimen.

Hell here is one from back in early March....
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I know I'm a little late on this but

Big Brown is an absolute monster, but everyone already knew that from his maiden win at the Spa. What was so impressive about his win at GP was that he was never asked to run, and was actually held back down the stretch. They don't want him running too hard to save something in the tank and for fear of injury. When the horse broke his maiden, he ran too hard.

And 21.20 is still very fast for a quarter mile workout even though at last year's Keeneland sale, the track was playing extremely fast. I think that the fastest quarter mile was 20 3/5ths at that sale if I remember correctly, which was a new world record. However, at a sale where the track is playing a little more fair, anything under 21 and 3/5ths is considered to be very fast.

I'm glad this one made it back to the track, and also Zada Belle. Now if Gilchrist could only get Indyanne straight, and a certain trainer could get his monster to the races...that would be great! Also would like to see Magnificience come back.

cakes44 05-05-2008 02:02 PM
Harlem Rocker got his big figure with a perfect trip sitting 3rd, 2 lengths off a contested 46.4 and 109.4 pace, in a 4 horse field. Big Brown received his last 2 #s starting from the dang parking lot.

kgar311 05-05-2008 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
Harlem Rocker is a very serious racehorse. He threw up a 106 beyer and he is still very green. This isn't Pyro or Colonel John. This is a horse that has proven he is fast. There is no reason to think he can't run a 110 beyer and that puts him right in the ballpark.

Like I said it the title of this post, Big Brown in no lock. He is your likely winner but no lock. The Harlem Rocker- Bernardini comparison has to be made. Harlem Rocker beat a very good horse in the Withers, very easily.
And you are right anything can happen in a race but I just cant get over the fact that NOBODY on this site can give credit where credit is due. It seems that so many people here are miserable in their own lives that they cant bring it upon themselves to give a little pat on the back to anyone that deserves it. Im Glad for Dutrow who is a NY trainer, living out of a stall about ten years ago, id be cocky too if I had a horse like that. And wow the owners found some success and their celebrating and you people cant stand it. Good for all of them.

ateamstupid 05-05-2008 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgar311
Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

It absolutely nausiates my to come on this site and watch the blatent hating that goes on here. Everytime a horse puts in a spectacular performance here you people are to bring a horse back down to earth with stupid rants about, well he aint no Street Sense or Real Quiet or who ever you want to compare him to. Lets state Fact: He cant win out of the 20 post...Wrong, He cant win off of 3 races...wrong his feet wont hold up...wrong. This horse had the odds stacked aganst him and he shined like a champion. I would just like to hear the excuses on how he cant win the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15.
According to you people he is the worst horse ever to win the Derby.
Dumbest comparison ever.

blackthroatedwind 05-05-2008 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cakes44
Harlem Rocker got his big figure with a perfect trip sitting 3rd, 2 lengths off a contested 46.4 and 109.4 pace, in a 4 horse field. Big Brown received his last 2 #s starting from the dang parking lot.

Actually it was a relatively slow pace that gave the favored leader a strong advantage and forced Harlem Rocker to run closer to the pace than he would prefer. Despite the advantage to the leader, and disadvantage to Harlem Rocker, he ran J Be K down with the utmost of ease.

Harlem Rocker may prove better suited to a mile than longer distances, and while yet to prove himself a superstar whatsoever, Big Brown is a very nice horse, so the Preakness would be difficult for him to win. However, make no mistake, Harlem Rocker is a very good racehorse.

horseofcourse 05-05-2008 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
Find me one thread where anybody gives this horse his due. Hell with the rest of the 18 piece of crap horses in the race. He drew away from the filly that was running out of her shoes and had the perfect trip. Just comparing what he did to her makes him special in my book. He single handedly broke that horse down because she ran her heart out to catch him and couldnt come close. And I dont want to hear anythng about her being a filly she was an awesome specimen.
I'll just say he's a very good horse right now. That's as far as I am willing to go. I also don't think he is remotely close to being the worst Ky Derby winner despite the lack of class he beat. There have been a million Big Brown threads, I'm sure at some point someone said good things about him.

Better Than Honour 05-05-2008 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
And you are right anything can happen in a race but I just cant get over the fact that NOBODY on this site can give credit where credit is due. It seems that so many people here are miserable in their own lives that they cant bring it upon themselves to give a little pat on the back to anyone that deserves it. Im Glad for Dutrow who is a NY trainer, living out of a stall about ten years ago, id be cocky too if I had a horse like that. And wow the owners found some success and their celebrating and you people cant stand it. Good for all of them.
The horse is getting plenty of credit. He is an incredible animal but right now his success has a lot to do with the lack of talent. He will eventually have to beat a good horse.

As for Dutrow, he is a great horseman. The reputation he has is not because he gets caught cheater sometimes but because he shows no remorse. I would rather see somebody like Kiaran McLaughlin get a horse like this but it isn't like Dutrow hasn't paid his dues. He is as deserving as anyone.

As for IEAH, I am just not a fan of what they are trying to do to the horse business. But they are good at what they do.

ateamstupid 05-05-2008 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
And you are right anything can happen in a race but I just cant get over the fact that NOBODY on this site can give credit where credit is due. It seems that so many people here are miserable in their own lives that they cant bring it upon themselves to give a little pat on the back to anyone that deserves it. Im Glad for Dutrow who is a NY trainer, living out of a stall about ten years ago, id be cocky too if I had a horse like that. And wow the owners found some success and their celebrating and you people cant stand it. Good for all of them.
What the hell are you talking about? There's been plenty of praise for him and his effort. And real classy saying how impressed you were by Big Brown "breaking down" Eight Belles himself.

The Bid 05-05-2008 02:40 PM
They are good at marketing

parsixfarms 05-05-2008 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
As for Dutrow, he is a great horseman. The reputation he has is not because he gets caught cheater sometimes but because he shows no remorse. I would rather see somebody like Kiaran McLaughlin get a horse like this but it isn't like Dutrow hasn't paid his dues. He is as deserving as anyone.
Dutrow's reputation is what it is because he has been caught cheating (who knows how many times he hasn't been caught cheating) and he shows no remorse.

As for saying that he is as "deserving as anyone," I think a lot more of the vast majority of people in this industry.

kgar311 05-05-2008 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
What the hell are you talking about? There's been plenty of praise for him and his effort. And real classy saying how impressed you were by Big Brown "breaking down" Eight Belles himself.
Im glad you saw that I was impressed with that. My tears were for the Joy of BB winning. Idiot.

kgar311 05-05-2008 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Dumbest comparison ever.
I wasnt comparing styles or anything, just the hype factor for the horse to run up the track like CV.

hockey2315 05-05-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
I wasnt comparing styles or anything, just the hype factor for the horse to run up the track like CV.
Still not even remotely close to a valid comparison

ateamstupid 05-05-2008 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
Im glad you saw that I was impressed with that. My tears were for the Joy of BB winning. Idiot.
You said that Big Brown broke down Eight Belles, and I'm the idiot. LOL.

kgar311 05-05-2008 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Still not even remotely close to a valid comparison
So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???

kgar311 05-05-2008 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
You said that Big Brown broke down Eight Belles, and I'm the idiot. LOL.
I said the fact that he was pulling away from a horse that got the perefct trip and was running out of her shoes impressed me, not the fact he broke her down, that was the by-product of him being so good and her going after him.

hockey2315 05-05-2008 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???
How does one hype horse who hadn't broken a 90 Beyer in his 6 race career and was 5th(?) in the betting in a 20 horse field compare to a horse who continues to improve and has already earned a 106 and will probably be second choice in the betting in a much smaller Preakness field?

And was Court Vision the only horse who got (undeserved) hype here or anywhere else going into the derby?

hockey2315 05-05-2008 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
I said the fact that he was pulling away from a horse that got the perefct trip and was running out of her shoes impressed me, not the fact he broke her down, that was the by-product of him being so good and her going after him.
And that makes no f$%*^&# sense. . .

reese 05-05-2008 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I stopped reading after this comment.

I'm assuming I didn't miss much.
That makes two of us.

I THOUGHT this site had knowledgeable racing fans.

Wrong!!!! Clueless like the rest.:D

kgar311 05-05-2008 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by reese
That makes two of us.

I THOUGHT this site had knowledgeable racing fans.

Wrong!!!! Clueless like the rest.:D
Well reese I guess were not so beat it

kgar311 05-05-2008 03:32 PM
Here we go, get used to this reese, classic Dt'ers feeling all warm and cuddly ganging up on someone so they can feel better about their pitiful lives. You'll fit right in.

kgar311 05-05-2008 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
And that makes no f$%*^&# sense. . .
Whats not to understand, sorry about your low IQ, theres plenty of higher learning establishments here in the us. Im sure Univ. of Phoenix is right up your alley

SniperSB23 05-05-2008 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
Here we go, get used to this reese, classic Dt'ers feeling all warm and cuddly ganging up on someone so they can feel better about their pitiful lives. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I didn't see that coming when you compared Harlem Rocker to Court Vision. :rolleyes:


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