Belmont Cancels
 

Done for the day. Of course my bet in the last race throws his jock at the start. Always love that. You don't even have to watch the rest of the race. (And yes the jock was fine.)

Damn I liked the 8 horse quite a bit here- Double Down Dixie. 3rd off layoff shortening up getting back on the turf. I also liked the 10 to run 2nd or possibly win.

This absolutely sucks. We played the pik-6 and beat the fave in the first leg and then had the 11.40 winner. Off to a very nice start with a lot of horses on the ticket still remaining. How the hell do they pay the pik-6 now? They can't distribute the carryover can they? And we might not even break even on the consos. This is horrible.

GOD takes even a minor whiz,and they cancelled Belmont.Don't you have atleast 3 hours of daylight left back there? Real Determined to make every effort to get that card finished..

How about Grand Slam wagers, had two going. Looked like Saratoga thunderstorm weather when they ran the 5th. Just one day left to get even at Big Sandy!

What did they do ? Did they freak out cuz they had to take a race off the turf(after people capped the p6 for turf?)

Mike-
Curious about who you used in the 6th. I liked the 8 horse and also the 10. Did you use them?

Tim we had:
6th- 1,2,7,8,9,10
7th-5
8th- 5,6,8,9
9th- 4,9

I assume we get 48 consos because thats the number of combos we had going when they cancelled. We spent 864 so its gotta pay 18 bucks just to bust even.

Scuds it was severe lightning. But I really don't see why they couldnt have waited for it to pass through. I really think they jumped the gun.
I know that they can't pay out the carryover so since tomorrow is a Saturday, and closing day of the meet so they have to distribute the whole pool, it oughta be a pretty nice pool.

Not sure if anyone here is in NYC like I am but the weather has been insane.

Now, considering the turf condition already, when you add the rain that was hitting, I would love the explanation of what they were going to do about the late Pick-4 where three races were about to be taken off the turf.

I'm sorry about your Pick-6, genuinely, it's painful, but understand very clearly that you were about to have those same 48 consos, with no added carryover, hinging on 10 claimer Atouratoura winning. Hard to believe all things considered the cancellation was not in your ( and everyone's ) best interests.

I didn't see how atouratoura could lose. Quite frankly Lukes Flash is a big time hanger, Friedman's horse always spots the field a thousand lengths, etc. WIth his tactical speed, ability to handle a wet track, and Johnny riding I really thought he couldnt lose. I even plotted the ****ing ticket so as to have what I felt were the prime contenders on both dirt and turf in the last two races, using both Buxton and Good going in the last, and going 4 deep in the 8th. I really think that we would have nailed this one.

Don't ever remember a day at Belmont being canceled mid pack. I do remember the last race being canceled at the 2004 Travers (and what a storm, thought Christ himself was about to step out of the clouds). It happens alot at Aqueduct, but what do you expect when you run horses in the dead of winter.

I wish they would cancel some cards at Lone Star due to the heat though. Last Sunday I think it reached 107!

He was a big favorite and certainly the horse to beat.

Look, we always want these things to play themselves out, but the cancellation was dramatically in your best interests. The other three races were coming off the turf ( you KNOW the riders weren't riding on the turf ) and they would have become " all " races for Pick-6 purposes.

The truth is, whether they know it or admit it, the fans benefited from the cancellation....and NYRA lost money. The Pick-4 would have become a Pick-1 with a 25% takeout. People could easily have been confused in any number of ways involving races being " all " races or simply not realizing they were off the turf.

How long does it take to calculate this pik-6 payout? Are you kidding me? They still don't have the conso price up yet.

Hey I don't want to see anyone get bbq'd in the starting gate, not even Gomez, or hurt. They did what was right. I'm not arguing that one bit. I just wish the rain could have held off. I just knew ward had to be crippled in the first leg and really thought that Pet would get loose in the mud in the 2nd leg. Whenever you get a start like that knocking off a post time fave who also had added money on him, andthen get the 4th choice out of 6 horses home also knocking off a fave with added late scratch money on her, you really feel good with 48 multiples still left on your ticket. Happens, what can you do?

Complete refund on the pik-6, that is absolute bull****!!!!!!! So basically the guys who went dead in the first leg get as much back as the guys who had the first two winners, gee thanks NYRA, that is absolutely insane and atrocious. Horrible, just horrible.

Yup...it was lousy luck.

I want to hear the explanation by these morons who have determined that its a total refund. Self serving BULL****. They know damn well that tickets hit the floor after the 2nd leg if they weren't live, many won't ever be paid. This is absolutely an outrage.

I would guess you want to thank the State Racing and Wagering Board.

I know you're steamed, it's understandable, but I'm not sure the rule isn't the MOST fair for all concerned parties.

You do know that the State, not the track, keeps the money from uncashed tickets.

I would guess, by the way, the ticket percentage on the Pick-6 is pretty low.

Yeah you should always give a guy with two losers in a multi race bet as much as a guy with two winners. I am calling the NYS wagering board, I want an explanation of this. This is the single worst thing I have ever seen at the racetrack.

Office was closed at 5 PM. Have to wait until Monday to wish someone an illness.

Doesn't seem to be the least bit fair.
If I'd spent the time to cap it and was still alive, I'd be outraged too.

Its BULL****!! WHy not refund the pik-3 as well then? That wasn't completed but they will pay a conso there. Someone please explain the difference to me.

Did you know NYRA had a poll on their website a little while ago and asked how many races were necessary to be run to make a Pick-6 not a refund? I believe the winner was 4.

Anyway, it's a Racing and Wagering Board rule that is endorsed by NYRA. I think if you weren't steamed you would understand why this is the most fair way to handle the situation.

Here's a question....would whomever bet your Pick-6 have put in the same amount of money had it been a double combining the 4th and 5th races?

The bottom line is this is a greater good protection of the bettor, which by the way, once again hurts NYRA. Had it been a " Pick-2 " they would have gotten the take-out. This way they got nothing.

Really? Well how is that different than paying a consolation on a pik-3 where only one race is run?

I hope they give you the answer on Monday and let us all know.
I'd be so p i s s e d !

Would you also feel it wasn't " the least bit fair " if you were dead?

Suppose you put $2,000 into this Pick-6 only to lose and then see only two races were run when if you had known this in advance you would have bet zero. Also, the carryover plays into this. Should that be distributed to people who came up with two winners? Well, since the answer is most likely no, you have to wonder why the people who bet three times what would have been bet without a carryover should be penalized when in fact there was essentially no carryover.

It's all about the greatest good and protection of ALL bettors in the most equitable way.

I would say you know why it's different...very different.

Would the ticket you are discussing here have been played if there was no carryover?

For those that don't know what happened and picked up this thread...

http://www.nyra.com/belmont/second.aspx?track=B&id=2132

BTW,
You make a very good point, but aren't those tickets already lying on the floor? Those that had live tickets should have the remaining pool distributed.
Do you think that losing tickets deserve a "do over'?

Basically I am a big NYRA supporter but they get an "F" for the way they handled things today from top to bottom.
First of all all major sports teams like the Yankees have someone monitoring weather and doppler radar. NYRA certainly has taken races off the turf before this in ADVANCE of a storm. Today they failed to do it. Its basically why they were so eager to cancel instead of letting the storms pass. They knew by not cancelling turf earlier in the day that the pik-4 was a total loss. The whole thing was handled horribly, even the most staunch NYRA advocate would have to come to that conclusion.
Someone really should apologize for the shafting that took place. And I fail to see how paying a conso when one race(ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL RACES IN A MULTIRACE WAGER) has been run ina pik-3 sequence is any different than running two races in a 6 race multirace wager(ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL RACES IN THE SEQUENCE). This was amateur hour by people who really are supposed to be sharper than this. If they really wanted to protect the public and jocks they would have taken those races off earlier. WHoever made that call(to not cancel the grass races earlier) is a first class imbecile.

There are next to no tickets. And, frankly, who the hell throws their tickets out anymore? This particular argument is impractical. I don't mean this to be insulting.

I believe this bet was null and void. It's a reasonably complicated argument, especially if one doesn't see it implicitely, and I have to go to the movies and dinner. Catch you later.

Atleast in the Summer, SoCal will not be doing this stuff.Pretty much Sunny late June to mid October(boring weather,but predictable.)

Reminds me of the Showdown Contest at Toga in 2004.They had a short contest that lasted about the last 3 weeks of the meet(because in the 1st week of the meet just about everybody got tossed in the original Toga Showdown contest.)So,anyways, in a short Showdown Contest,wins are very important(not nearly as much so in a long Showdown contest.)On the biggest Saturday of the meet,they cancelled just the last race.This is after I had a win earlier in the day.Everybody who was kicked out of the contest got back in.Anybody who had a win that day got nothing.The worst part was everybody who had a horse fail(and there were a lot)got back into the contest.Winners should win,and losers should lose.No exceptions.These people who lost 2 races of the pick 6 today should get zero,nada,nothing.They are losers.Giving them their money back is disgusting maggot waste.I am not "steamed."I have no interest at all,but losers shouldn't get refunds on tickets with 2 losers in the pick 6.Common sense should tell you this.Use common sense(instead of this b.s.)