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Kasept 04-14-2008 12:18 PM
Atoned, Behindatthebar bring Lex to 8
 
Dogwood/Pletcher confirm Atoned to Lexington.. and Behindatthebar a go as well.


LEXINGTON

(indicates needed finish for Derby entry)

1. $195k
2. $65k
3. $32.5k

Tomcito (3rd or better)
Atoned (2nd assures Derby; 3rd improves position greatly)
Racecar Rhapsody (Win only)
Samba Rooster (Win only)
Behindatthebar (Win only)
Big Glen (Win only)
Salute the Sarge (Not necessarily Derby-intended; Already enough earnings)
Red Sandy (?)

AeWingnut 04-14-2008 12:22 PM
how much is the Lexington purse? Will place money get Tomcito in the Derby?

jcs11204 04-14-2008 12:33 PM
i am wondering does first in this race, get you in the derby for sure ?

hi_im_god 04-14-2008 12:45 PM
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21147

^
will answer all your questions.

SniperSB23 04-14-2008 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcs11204
i am wondering does first in this race, get you in the derby for sure ?
For Big Glen and Samba Rooster there is a very slim chance that a win might not be enough. The rest are in with a win for sure. Tomcito is in with a second place finish. Atoned should be in with a second place finish but not definitely. Salute the Sarge is in no matter what he does if they want to run him.

Unstable 04-14-2008 12:54 PM
Is Salute the Sarge still on the derby trail? Steve's updated graded earnings list (Thanks for doing that, Steve) has him in what would be 14th on the list, but there is an X next to his name. Is he definitely pointed towards the Derby? That would bump Dennis of Cork from 20th and put Bob Black Jack and Visionaire on the bubble, pending the results of the Lexington. I think a show would put Tomcito in the Derby, plus the winner and possibly the place horse. That would burst the bubble for the two aforementioned colts.:eek:

Unstable 04-14-2008 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
For Big Glen and Samba Rooster there is a very slim chance that a win might not be enough. The rest are in with a win for sure. Tomcito is in with a second place finish. Atoned should be in with a second place finish but not definitely. Salute the Sarge is in no matter what he does if they want to run him.
I think a win (Steve has $195K for 1st) puts that horse in the Derby, if they should want to go.

brianwspencer 04-14-2008 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstable
Is Salute the Sarge still on the derby trail? Steve's updated graded earnings list (Thanks for doing that, Steve) has him in what would be 14th on the list, but there is an X next to his name. Is he definitely pointed towards the Derby? That would bump Dennis of Cork from 20th and put Bob Black Jack and Visionaire on the bubble, pending the results of the Lexington. I think a place would put Tomcito in the Derby, plus the winner and possibly the place horse. That would burst the bubble for the two aforementioned colts.:eek:
If Steve's list is right, and I assume it is, shouldn't Tomcito only need to run third or better to get in?

Unstable 04-14-2008 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianwspencer
If Steve's list is right, and I assume it is, shouldn't Tomcito only need to run third or better to get in?
You're right. I meant to say show, typed place. I'm at work and can't give my full attention to DerbyTrail.:confused: Corrected.

SniperSB23 04-14-2008 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstable
I think a win (Steve has $195K for 1st) puts that horse in the Derby, if they should want to go.
Not if Salute the Sarge, Eight Belles, and Anak Nakal wind up going.

Kasept 04-14-2008 01:17 PM
Behindatthebar confirmed now too.. AND.. if he should win, and Atoned run 2nd... Todd Pletcher would suddenly have 4 Derby starters..

Unstable 04-14-2008 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Not if Salute the Sarge, Eight Belles, and Anak Nakal wind up going.
Steve's list has Eight Belles going, but Proud Spell as one of those mysterious "X" horses. I guess we won't know for sure until they draw the numbers for post positions.

SniperSB23 04-14-2008 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstable
Steve's list has Eight Belles going, but Proud Spell as one of those mysterious "X" horses. I guess we won't know for sure until they draw the numbers for post positions.
Basically a win in the Lexington even for those two would more than likely get them in but there is no guarantee. Right now Cowboy Cal is the last in the list that is guaranteed to get in. The rest could be bumped under a worst case scenario.

Kasept 04-14-2008 01:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstable
Steve's list has Eight Belles going, but Proud Spell as one of those mysterious "X" horses. I guess we won't know for sure until they draw the numbers for post positions.
The horses with (X) are positioned on the list to run in the Derby if they care to but are not committed and leaning against...

Travis Stone 04-14-2008 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
Behindatthebar confirmed now too.. AND.. if he should win, and Atoned run 2nd... Todd Pletcher would suddenly have 4 Derby starters..
When they hit the far turn of the Blue Grass I said to my friend how we couldn't have a Kentucky Derby without Pletcher having some live runners.

lemoncrush 04-14-2008 02:01 PM
I recall reading that Big Glen was not Triple Crown nominated (edit- I just checked and he was a late nominee).

Also, is there any chance that Adriano runs in the Lexington, or is he training straight to the derby?

Mike 04-14-2008 02:12 PM
Looks like a nice Lexington

Cannon Shell 04-14-2008 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Stone
When they hit the far turn of the Blue Grass I said to my friend how we couldn't have a Kentucky Derby without Pletcher having some live runners.
He may have runners but any really live?

Indian Charlie 04-14-2008 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Looks like a nice Lexington
Did they move the race to another track?

Mike 04-14-2008 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Did they move the race to another track?
I just think the synth track debacle leads one to question the mainly West Coast contingent. The other factor of so many speed horses compromising the chances of Big Brown and last years champ, War Pass, that I'm still looking\

I'm still looking

cmorioles 04-14-2008 03:24 PM
I'm glad Atoned is in. Maybe it will help give us a little better read on the Illinois Derby. Too bad it is a turf race.

parsixfarms 04-14-2008 03:29 PM
Having liked his Remsen and Tampa Bay Derby efforts, and given his running style, I gave Atoned a longshot chance to hit the board in the Derby, if he was able to get in. I wouldn't care for him if he were to run in the Lexington and back in the Derby in two weeks. He hasn't been mentioned as a Lexington prospect until just now; this looks like a desperation move by Dogwood to try to get him to "qualify" for the Derby.

letswastemoney 04-14-2008 03:33 PM
is elysium fields supposed to be in this?

Antitrust32 04-14-2008 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemoncrush
I recall reading that Big Glen was not Triple Crown nominated (edit- I just checked and he was a late nominee).

Also, is there any chance that Adriano runs in the Lexington, or is he training straight to the derby?

I dont think I could handle a Big Brown, Big Glen, Big Truck, Z Fortune and a Z Humor all in the same race.


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