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Scav 03-31-2008 09:48 PM

Doubling the DWC to 12 million, WOW!!!
 
http://www.drf.com/news/article/93341.html

That would be one sick as purse, just let me run third!!!!

stonegossard 03-31-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
http://www.drf.com/news/article/93341.html

That would be one sick as purse, just let me run third!!!!


Thats what you get with crude oil at 110 bucks a barrel. They should rename the race in George Bush's honor.

ArlJim78 03-31-2008 10:04 PM

builds another state of the art racing facility, literally rolls out the red carpet each year for he world, invests in racing and breeding all over the world, doubles the purses of the WC,... when is this guy going to do something for the sport already?

jcs11204 03-31-2008 10:06 PM

amazing . it is 3 year olds and up, any chance a top class 3 yr old goes there for the money instead of the kentucky derby ?

cowgirlintexas 03-31-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Thats what you get with crude oil at 110 bucks a barrel. They should rename the race in George Bush's honor.

To funny.. Too true as well.

stonegossard 03-31-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
builds another state of the art racing facility, literally rolls out the red carpet each year for he world, invests in racing and breeding all over the world, doubles the purses of the WC,... when is this guy going to do something for the sport already?



They do offer crazy purses there for mediocre horses.......the thing that sucks in another year we all will be riding bicycles to the track to bet the Dubai Cup.

stonegossard 03-31-2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
To funny.. Too true as well.


At least they are passing .000000000000000000000000000001 % of their profits to the racing world.

Scav 03-31-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
builds another state of the art racing facility, literally rolls out the red carpet each year for he world, invests in racing and breeding all over the world, doubles the purses of the WC,... when is this guy going to do something for the sport already?

More so, the dude is creating a CITY around a racetrack, right now, there is miles of sand there.

SOREHOOF 03-31-2008 10:19 PM

Ummm, since every thing that is bought by the Sheiks at 3 is retired to stud, they should make it for 2 year olds they buy after big wins at Saratoga.

jcs11204 03-31-2008 10:23 PM

i know for 12 million if i had a big time three year old i would have to strongly consider going to dubai, with 6x the purse of the kentucky derby, i dont see how you cant at least consider

Scav 03-31-2008 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i know for 12 million if i had a big time three year old i would have to strongly consider going to dubai, with 6x the purse of the kentucky derby, i dont see how you cant at least consider

You guys are absolutely ridiculous. YOu have said some real stupid stuff, but do you realize how bad they would get beat? 3 year olds don't beat older this time of the year, MAYBE towards the end of the year, and even then it is stretching it...

hi_im_god 03-31-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You guys are absolutely ridiculous. YOu have said some real stupid stuff, but do you realize how bad they would get beat? 3 year olds don't beat older this time of the year, MAYBE towards the end of the year, and even then it is stretching it...

what you fail to consider is how well n hemisphere 3yo's have done against s hemisphere 4 yo's in the uae derby.

get a clue.

jwkniska 03-31-2008 10:55 PM

I thought they were saving this until they get the new race course at Meydan in 2 yrs.... they're getting ahead of themselves.

Scav 03-31-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
what you fail to consider is how well n hemisphere 3yo's have done against s hemisphere 4 yo's in the uae derby.

get a clue.

How well have they done? I have no idea, but there is a six month difference there, that is completely different....

The Indomitable DrugS 03-31-2008 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
builds another state of the art racing facility, literally rolls out the red carpet each year for he world, invests in racing and breeding all over the world, doubles the purses of the WC,... when is this guy going to do something for the sport already?

I don't care about new race tracks in Dubai.

I don't care if they roll out the carpet for the world.

I don't care how much money they give away for purses.

As for there racing and breeding investments....they do a great job of making American racing worse.

They have ruined a lot of nice 2-year-old private purchases by taking them to there black hole in Dubai. They are buying up quality 3yo's at an alarming rate and retiring them. The expensive yearlings they buy from American auctions tend to either never race or go to Europe.

King Glorious 03-31-2008 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You guys are absolutely ridiculous. YOu have said some real stupid stuff, but do you realize how bad they would get beat? 3 year olds don't beat older this time of the year, MAYBE towards the end of the year, and even then it is stretching it...

So 3yo's can't beat older at the end of March but can beat them at the end of May? Why is that?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-31-2008 11:23 PM

I think Scavs was objecting to someone saying that the connections of a top 3yo might run in the $12 Dubai World Cup race.

The race will probably be for ages 4 and up - and even if it wasn't - no one is going to run a top American 3yo against the worlds best at 10 furlongs in March.

letswastemoney 03-31-2008 11:40 PM

Big Brown could probably beat the upcoming Oaklawn Handicap field

Scav 03-31-2008 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
So 3yo's can't beat older at the end of March but can beat them at the end of May? Why is that?

3 year olds are still developing this early in the year. Where did I say the end of May?

They don't really step up to face olders until the JCGC or within that area to see if they are BC Classic ready

How many times have you seen a 3 year old beat older this time of year?

King Glorious 03-31-2008 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I think Scavs was objecting to someone saying that the connections of a top 3yo might run in the $12 Dubai World Cup race.

The race will probably be for ages 4 and up - and even if it wasn't - no one is going to run a top American 3yo against the worlds best at 10 furlongs in March.

$12 million will make people do some crazy things. Maybe a top contender like a War Pass, Big Brown or Pyro wouldn't be sent over. But if I've got a horse like Massive Drama that I'm sending over for a $2 million race at 9f, I might be tempted to consider a $12 million race a furlong longer. I don't know what the scale of weights is over there but if it's big enough, it might be something to consider. At least with some fringe contenders.

letswastemoney 03-31-2008 11:50 PM

Honour and Glory won the Metropolitan in May. I guess that's the earliest it's going to happen if it does?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-31-2008 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
$12 million will make people do some crazy things. Maybe a top contender like a War Pass, Big Brown or Pyro wouldn't be sent over. But if I've got a horse like Massive Drama that I'm sending over for a $2 million race at 9f, I might be tempted to consider a $12 million race a furlong longer. I don't know what the scale of weights is over there but if it's big enough, it might be something to consider. At least with some fringe contenders.

The Dubai World Cup is for 4 year olds and up anyway.

King Glorious 04-01-2008 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Honour and Glory won the Metropolitan in May. I guess that's the earliest it's going to happen if it does?

So did Holy Bull, Conquistador Cielo, Gulch, and Dixie Brass. Housebuster ran second between Criminal Type and Easy Goer.

hi_im_god 04-01-2008 12:20 AM

n hemisphere 3 yo's have been decimated year after year running against horses 6 months older.

they can't beat the jv team. so let's run 'em against the varsity.

cmorioles 04-01-2008 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The Dubai World Cup is for 4 year olds and up anyway.

That is what I thought. You definitely can't get in the race as a 3yo in Gallop Racer.

my miss storm cat 04-01-2008 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
builds another state of the art racing facility, literally rolls out the red carpet each year for he world, invests in racing and breeding all over the world, doubles the purses of the WC,... when is this guy going to do something for the sport already?

... and for every story we hear I wonder how many more there are that are never publicized, like the money raised for the Riding for the Disabled Association of Dubai (RDAD) and Unicef through the annual Thanks a Million Draw at the DWC.

zippyneedsawin 04-01-2008 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
That is what I thought. You definitely can't get in the race as a 3yo in Gallop Racer.


:D

cmorioles 04-01-2008 04:36 AM

For $12 million this year, what other great horses would have entered?

zippyneedsawin 04-01-2008 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
For $12 million this year, what other great horses would have entered?


Good point. Though, when they start racing on synthetic at the new track, maybe some of the really good turf horses show up for the DWC instead?

zippyneedsawin 04-01-2008 05:14 AM

by the way, talk about burying a story. The last line (words to be exact) refer to raising the purse to $12 million.. kind of an, 'oh by the way,' geesh...

cmorioles 04-01-2008 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Good point. Though, when they start racing on synthetic at the new track, maybe some of the really good turf horses show up for the DWC instead?

Of course, since it will basically be split divisions with one division being a few furlongs shorter and worth a lot more money.

Kasept 04-01-2008 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
builds another state of the art racing facility, literally rolls out the red carpet each year for he world, invests in racing and breeding all over the world, doubles the purses of the WC,... when is this guy going to do something for the sport already?

Jim, and Gioia too..

While I appreciate your zeal for the DWC and enjoyment of International racing, perpetuating the notion that Sh. Mo in particular is doing good things for racing is utterly ridiculous. He's single-handedly destroying the game by disturbing the sport's competitive balance and effectively trying to simply buy control of it. Invests in breeding? He's not investing, he's maniacally trying to buy ALL the breeding. And of course there will never be a decent 3yo that sees a handicap season as long as Darley continues in their current fashion.

He's also created the disgusting nouveau scenario of the instant purchase of any young horse, or even any decent looking older horse, which will completely ruin the game for fans. Thanks to Mo, you can look forward to a 'Rollerball' style corporate game shortly where Darley, Godolphin, IEAH and Team Valor basically have bought any decent horse. There will be a few holdouts that don't need the money, but most operations or owners will be compelled to sell.

There is in fact a rumor from credible sources that Darley approached IEAH/Pompa Friday night with a $30 million offer for Big Brown. IEAH has a huge war chest and would rather campaign forward at this point, but you can see what you're dealing with. And of course IEAH themselves threw $2MM at Pompa for 75% of Big Brown off the maiden win last summer...

It's not 'sporting', as Sh. Mo's shills love to claim, just as it wasn't sporting to retire Bernadini. And $12MM for a single race is of course just obscene and garish and typical of the way he operates believing that throwing money at everything assures some kind of 'class'. It's actually embarrassing. What pleasure he can take when whichever American-bred juvenile he bought smashes the career earnings record in his 7th career start with $11,000,000 accrued from the World Cup win on the heels of his wins in the previous year's UAE Derby and 3 stages of Mahktoum Challenges...

Danzig 04-01-2008 07:33 AM

buying the stairway to heaven.

stonegossard 04-01-2008 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
... and for every story we hear I wonder how many more there are that are never publicized, like the money raised for the Riding for the Disabled Association of Dubai (RDAD) and Unicef through the annual Thanks a Million Draw at the DWC.


How about the one on HBO Real Sports a few years ago about the abuse of the young children they force into riding in the camel races over there. Real nice stuff. You do know who one of the biggest people behind camel racing is dont you?

If you haven't seen it , try and find it ...then tell me how great these people are.

smuthg 04-01-2008 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
http://www.drf.com/news/article/93341.html

That would be one sick as purse, just let me run third!!!!

I heard the interview with Sheikh Mohammed during the coverage on Saturday, and I took away from his comment that we were looking at potentially a $20 Mil dollar purse by the time the new track opens in 2010... I believe the question that was asked, was someithing along the lines of "Could we possibly see a purse in the range of $10 Mil for the DWC at the new track" and the way I understoods Sheikh Mohammed's response was that it could be at least "double"... I took that to mean $20 Mil, rather than double the current $6 Mil... I assure you I was sober at that time also...

GBBob 04-01-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by smuthg
I heard the interview with Sheikh Mohammed during the coverage on Saturday, and I took away from his comment that we were looking at potentially a $20 Mil dollar purse by the time the new track opens in 2010... I believe the question that was asked, was someithing along the lines of "Could we possibly see a purse in the range of $10 Mil for the DWC at the new track" and the way I understoods Sheikh Mohammed's response was that it could be at least "double"... I took that to mean $20 Mil, rather than double the current $6 Mil... I assure you I was sober at that time also...

I heard that interview to, but the way the question was asked, thought he meant double the current, not double the $10 Million

But I could barely understand either of them, so who knows

my miss storm cat 04-01-2008 09:10 AM

I've read the amount being considered is $12.....

http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news...d=MzExMDA4NzE0

Last line...

Scav 04-01-2008 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Jim, and Gioia too..

While I appreciate your zeal for the DWC and enjoyment of International racing, perpetuating the notion that Sh. Mo in particular is doing good things for racing is utterly ridiculous. He's single-handedly destroying the game by disturbing the sport's competitive balance and effectively trying to simply buy control of it. Invests in breeding? He's not investing, he's maniacally trying to buy ALL the breeding. And of course there will never be a decent 3yo that sees a handicap season as long as Darley continues in their current fashion.

He's also created the disgusting nouveau scenario of the instant purchase of any young horse, or even any decent looking older horse, which will completely ruin the game for fans. Thanks to Mo, you can look forward to a 'Rollerball' style corporate game shortly where Darley, Godolphin, IEAH and Team Valor basically have bought any decent horse. There will be a few holdouts that don't need the money, but most operations or owners will be compelled to sell.

There is in fact a rumor from credible sources that Darley approached IEAH/Pompa Friday night with a $30 million offer for Big Brown. IEAH has a huge war chest and would rather campaign forward at this point, but you can see what you're dealing with. And of course IEAH themselves threw $2MM at Pompa for 75% of Big Brown off the maiden win last summer...

It's not 'sporting', as Sh. Mo's shills love to claim, just as it wasn't sporting to retire Bernadini. And $12MM for a single race is of course just obscene and garish and typical of the way he operates believing that throwing money at everything assures some kind of 'class'. It's actually embarrassing. What pleasure he can take when whichever American-bred juvenile he bought smashes the career earnings record in his 7th career start with $11,000,000 accrued from the World Cup win on the heels of his wins in the previous year's UAE Derby and 3 stages of Mahktoum Challenges...

You can look at the other side, where he is pumping tons of money into the American industry by buying those horses, assuming the people that are selling, are putting that money back into the industry. It isn't like he is charging ridiculous amounts of money for his stallions either, they are all priced at the right level.

I to would love to see some of these horses continue to race, but the very fact that YEARLINGS sell for a million dollars at the sales prevents that, there is just too much money in the breeding side. WHEN THAT evens out, meaning when racing = breeding, then you will have an even industry.

All this industry is doing, is what every other industry in America is doing, consolidating....

my miss storm cat 04-01-2008 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Jim, and Gioia too..

While I appreciate your zeal for the DWC and enjoyment of International racing, perpetuating the notion that Sh. Mo in particular is doing good things for racing is utterly ridiculous. He's single-handedly destroying the game by disturbing the sport's competitive balance and effectively trying to simply buy control of it. Invests in breeding? He's not investing, he's maniacally trying to buy ALL the breeding. And of course there will never be a decent 3yo that sees a handicap season as long as Darley continues in their current fashion.

He's also created the disgusting nouveau scenario of the instant purchase of any young horse, or even any decent looking older horse, which will completely ruin the game for fans. Thanks to Mo, you can look forward to a 'Rollerball' style corporate game shortly where Darley, Godolphin, IEAH and Team Valor basically have bought any decent horse. There will be a few holdouts that don't need the money, but most operations or owners will be compelled to sell.

There is in fact a rumor from credible sources that Darley approached IEAH/Pompa Friday night with a $30 million offer for Big Brown. IEAH has a huge war chest and would rather campaign forward at this point, but you can see what you're dealing with. And of course IEAH themselves threw $2MM at Pompa for 75% of Big Brown off the maiden win last summer...

It's not 'sporting', as Sh. Mo's shills love to claim, just as it wasn't sporting to retire Bernadini. And $12MM for a single race is of course just obscene and garish and typical of the way he operates believing that throwing money at everything assures some kind of 'class'. It's actually embarrassing. What pleasure he can take when whichever American-bred juvenile he bought smashes the career earnings record in his 7th career start with $11,000,000 accrued from the World Cup win on the heels of his wins in the previous year's UAE Derby and 3 stages of Mahktoum Challenges...

I respectfully disagree.


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