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TheSpyder 03-31-2008 02:58 PM

The Grand National at Aintree
 
I know this is the wrong spot but wanted people to realize what this race is. It is this Saturday and in comprised of 40 horses going over 30 jumps and it is the premere jump race of the year.

It is absolutely unbelieveable to watch. Truely a great race. When I lived in England Red Rum won the race two years in a row. I think it lasts for over 4-5 minutes.

Unreal.

Spyder

ArlJim78 03-31-2008 03:08 PM

40 may start the race, but 40 don't finish. there are many "fallers".

Getaway 03-31-2008 03:10 PM

Goin to the race for the first time. Can't wait to walk the course. I will report on what I see, when I get back.

TheSpyder 03-31-2008 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
40 may start the race, but 40 don't finish. there are many "fallers".

True, maybe 6 -13 finish, but your don't hear about many injuries. Some of the jumps are HUGE!

Spyder

TheSpyder 03-31-2008 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getaway
Goin to the race for the first time. Can't wait to walk the course. I will report on what I see, when I get back.

Very nice.

my miss storm cat 03-31-2008 03:40 PM

I can't watch it.

I follow some of the horses but I hold my breath and so I just skip it completely and wait for the reports after the fact.

The fallers..... it's just not for me but to anyone going or watching hope you enjoy it.

Here are the 99 left in at the 5 Day stage.....

http://guardian.sportinglife.com/GU_...254835,00.html

Good luck to Hedgehunter, Simon and L'Ami.....

prudery 03-31-2008 04:09 PM

If the race lasted somewhat over 4-5 minutes, nothing in this country could stay with these horses in a G1---it is closer to 8-10 minutes covering 4 miles or so and hellishly configured jumps and turns ... A fascinating lore behind this event, and it is very impressive ... That is the good news ...
MMSC has very good reasons for not wanting to watch ... A cavalry charge of more horses than we are used to seeing headed for those monstrous obstacles is daunting enough, but it is a rare thing that there are no falls, injuries, or fatalities ....
The first time I watched this race, the favorite--a fine, stout accomplished animal---wiped out at the first fence and received a broken back ...
While we are sadly used to seeing breakdowns, this race seems to court them for obvious reasons ...
It is a thing of beauty to see a good one jump the jumps and stay the course, but it is also a race of what can be viewed as a near demolition derby ...

TheSpyder 03-31-2008 04:14 PM

You are correct but still an amazing race to watch
Quote:

Originally Posted by prudery
If the race lasted somewhat over 4-5 minutes, nothing in this country could stay with these horses in a G1---it is closer to 8-10 minutes covering 4 miles or so and hellishly configured jumps and turns ... A fascinating lore behind this event, and it is very impressive ... That is the good news ...
MMSC has very good reasons for not wanting to watch ... A cavalry charge of more horses than we are used to seeing headed for those monstrous obstacles is daunting enough, but it is a rare thing that there are no falls, injuries, or fatalities ....
The first time I watched this race, the favorite--a fine, stout accomplished animal---wiped out at the first fence and received a broken back ...
While we are sadly used to seeing breakdowns, this race seems to court them for obvious reasons ...
It is a thing of beauty to see a good one jump the jumps and stay the course, but it is also a race of what can be viewed as a near demolition derby ...


tiggerv 03-31-2008 04:16 PM

In my opinion it crosses the line between sport and abuse but that line is different for everyone.

my miss storm cat 03-31-2008 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prudery
but it is also a race of what can be viewed as a near demolition derby ...

Agreed.

brockguy 03-31-2008 04:19 PM

The most watched and most famous race in the world...

Its absolutely incredible... The stories behind so many of the winners are some of the most surreal things you could hear..

Getaway, I was there for the first time last year and loved it, I just hope the weather is good for ya..

my miss storm cat 03-31-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy

Its absolutely incredible... The stories behind so many of the winners are some of the most surreal things you could hear..

Off the top of your head, is there one you can remember?

Tell us.

TheSpyder 03-31-2008 04:25 PM

I really don't know what to say about this...makes Biancone a Saint

http://lateralscience.co.uk/turf/index.html

TheSpyder 03-31-2008 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Off the top of your head, is there one you can remember?

Tell us.

Red Rum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g6mD...eature=related

Here's the whole race: How a horse could win three times in unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4KN3vmBkg&NR=1

brockguy 03-31-2008 04:29 PM

Bob Champion and Aldaniti comes to mind immediately..

http://www.grand-national.me.uk/gran...nallegends.php

I have the a very good book at home..

TheSpyder 03-31-2008 04:40 PM

Red Run 1973
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8W2s...eature=related

Riot 03-31-2008 04:41 PM

The Grand National ... one of the reasons I became enamoured of horses as a young girl (due to "National Velvet" - the original book, not the watered-down movie).

I would love to go one day. One of the greatest races in the world.

TheSpyder 03-31-2008 04:43 PM

Yea, watch the 1973 race, that was the first time I saw it. It's just unreal to see what these horses can do.

Miss you tomorrow...guess I'll have to drink one for me and you before the race.

Spyder

brockguy 03-31-2008 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

that was the classic race where Crisp put up one of the memorable losing grand national performances, jumping for fun with top weight and giving 1 and a half stone to a legend in Red Rum, just going down by less than a length..

Crisp was one of the best 2 milers around and the fact that he ran so well over a trip twice his optimum (4 1/2 miles) is just incredible..

saratogabrit 04-01-2008 04:25 AM

The way the prize money for the race has risen is unreal-quadrupled since 1994. From £200,000 to £800,000.

I find it strange that the only American races on Breeders' Cup day and the Kentucky Derby are worth more money than the National.

Hwjb 04-01-2008 06:58 AM

It's entirely understandable that our North American friends who have limited association with jump racing may see the race as barbarous, but to those of us who have grown up with National Hunt racing it is simply the ultimate test of man and beast. The fences have been made easier in recent years and, whilst there's always the chance of fatality, as a spectacle and a sporting event it's nigh on unmatchable. The Cheltenham Gold Cup may carry more prestige but the uniqueness of the Grand National make it stand out.
As horse racing fans we all accept the risks taken by both horse and jockey, and there will always be unfortunate accidents, this race justifies those risks based on what it provides in terms of sporting narrative, thrilling action and fevered excitement.
I'm off to Aintree for the next three days and will hope, of course, to see no equine deaths, but will accept that, if there are, they have given their lives to help create sporting drama that gives so much to so many.

Hwjb 04-01-2008 07:01 AM

Just to add to that; the risks taken by the horses allow them to take a place in the heart of the public in Britain and Ireland far more than their counterparts on the Flat. The likes of Red Rum and Desert Orchid (never ran in the Grand National, but won the Irish version off top weight) are far more recognised/loved than any Flat horse.

my miss storm cat 04-03-2008 03:31 PM

http://guardian.sportinglife.com/GU_...254835,00.html

Form comments....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle3676744.ece

Unstable 04-03-2008 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy
Bob Champion and Aldaniti comes to mind immediately..

http://www.grand-national.me.uk/gran...nallegends.php

I have the a very good book at home..

I remember seeing a pretty good film on a late-night station back in the 80's called "Champions", starring John Hurt as Bob Champion. I'd been waiting forever for it to come out on DVD, to see if it was as good as I remembered. Finally checked on Amazon UK and there it was. :D (Haven't had time to watch it yet.:rolleyes: )

Unstable 04-03-2008 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpyder
I know this is the wrong spot but wanted people to realize what this race is. It is this Saturday and in comprised of 40 horses going over 30 jumps and it is the premere jump race of the year.

It is absolutely unbelieveable to watch. Truely a great race. When I lived in England Red Rum won the race two years in a row. I think it lasts for over 4-5 minutes.

Unreal.

Spyder

Scott,

I had no idea you were interested in the 'Chases. I've been amazed anytime I've been able to watch the Grand National (it is not frequently broadcast in the U.S.).

Nobody wants to see the horses fall. (I'm usually exhausted after watching the race, because I think I've tried to will each horse over each fence.) I find it truly amazing when some who have fallen get up and continue the race riderless.

Pedigree Ann 04-04-2008 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpyder
IIt is absolutely unbelieveable to watch. Truely a great race. When I lived in England Red Rum won the race two years in a row. I think it lasts for over 4-5 minutes.

Unreal.

Spyder

Rummy did better than just win it twice in a row. In five years, he won the National twice, ran second twice, then won it again at the age of 12. The greatest National horse ever, he didn't show his best in shorter races with easier fences. Yet he broke his maiden on the flat in April as a 2yo, at the now defunct Aintree flat meet in National week.

Pedigree Ann 04-04-2008 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unstable
Scott,

Nobody wants to see the horses fall. (I'm usually exhausted after watching the race, because I think I've tried to will each horse over each fence.) I find it truly amazing when some who have fallen get up and continue the race riderless.

Some of those that lose riders just want to gallop along with the herd and cannily run around the fences so they can keep up without the effort. But the ones I love to see are the ones that actually run intelligent races, jump all the fences, and finish in front at the wire. Horses who know what their job is and are willing to do it - gives me a counterargument for those who claim that horses compete only because humans whip them, too.

cowgirlintexas 04-04-2008 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpyder
I really don't know what to say about this...makes Biancone a Saint

http://lateralscience.co.uk/turf/index.html

That is one of the most bizzare articles I have ever read!! That can't be for real.. surely...:(

scanman 04-04-2008 09:07 AM

One of the greatest races in the world. Does anyone know if it can be seen online (free)? Or if any of the ADW sites are showing it?

Bigsmc 04-04-2008 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scanman
One of the greatest races in the world. Does anyone know if it can be seen online (free)? Or if any of the ADW sites are showing it?

Youbet has carried it the past few years, but I didn't see it on their schedule.

Racingpost.co.uk will show it for free.

my miss storm cat 04-04-2008 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat


Good luck to Hedgehunter, Simon and L'Ami.....

My pick is Simon. :)

sumitas 04-04-2008 11:30 AM

I'm inclined to state that this race should be abolished. It is barbaric and cruel. As adults I think we should know better than to support this blood race.

scanman 04-04-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Youbet has carried it the past few years, but I didn't see it on their schedule.

Racingpost.co.uk will show it for free.

Many thanks.

Riot 04-04-2008 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Youbet has carried it the past few years, but I didn't see it on their schedule.

Racingpost.co.uk will show it for free.

Great, can't wait!

Danzig 04-04-2008 07:22 PM

i like jump racing, but it's hard to find many on t.v. have watched the virginia gold cup a few times on t.v., but it's not in the same league as this.

Unstable 04-04-2008 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Some of those that lose riders just want to gallop along with the herd and cannily run around the fences so they can keep up without the effort. But the ones I love to see are the ones that actually run intelligent races, jump all the fences, and finish in front at the wire. Horses who know what their job is and are willing to do it - gives me a counterargument for those who claim that horses compete only because humans whip them, too.

My thoughts exactly.

Unstable 04-04-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
I'm inclined to state that this race should be abolished. It is barbaric and cruel. As adults I think we should know better than to support this blood race.

The same argument has been made about all horse racing....

letswastemoney 04-04-2008 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unstable
The same argument has been made about all horse racing....

But horses have more stability by running on a flat.

brockguy 04-05-2008 04:59 AM

The 3 Irish - Slim Pickings Point Barrow and Black Apalachi are for me.. enjoy the race everyone, the most amazing race on the planet....

Cajungator26 04-05-2008 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
The Grand National ... one of the reasons I became enamoured of horses as a young girl (due to "National Velvet" - the original book, not the watered-down movie).

I would love to go one day. One of the greatest races in the world.

Same here. Not sure how I feel about it now to be honest.


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