mccarron to tvg
 

mccarron to work for tvg starting in april.
looks to me replacing stevens there.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory...270&source=rss

Yeah looks like Keeneland and big days only.

i dont know what's worse. mccarron on tv, or mccarron on a horse.

I don't know what's worse. An ignorant statement. Or a really ignorant statement.

29 years of class and excellence, ladies and gentleman David McFrischling!!!!!

Coming from you, I'll take that as validation of my statement.

"Showing the Speed of Ruffian, the class of Lady's Secret and the Heart of Personal Ensign. One of the Greats of ALL time! This IS AZERI!" - Vic Stauffer

So your saying that Azeri isn't a 'great'?

whats wrong with chris being on tvg.
i believe he will do a good job.

Give me Stevens in the booth over Bailey any day.

Totally agree Mr. McCarron was the best race rider in my time, Sorry Shoe.

McCarron was a great rider. It doesn't hurt that he rode two of my favorite horses though...Sunday Silence and Tiznow. The horses that he rode always seemed to be able to gut out the win in close races.

Hey why did you delete that fine post?

mccarron, for about 10 years, had a knack for doing two things while riding a race.

one, he had a tendency to get himself outmaneuvered and trapped on the rail.

two, he was beyond awful, i'm talking pg1985 awful, on speed horses going a route of ground. he often would take a horse like precisionist or bertrando and take them out of their game by trying to throttle their speed way down.

the idea being that if he saved horse early, he'd have more horse later. this might work on some horses, but when a horses only weapon is their raw blazing speed (talking routes here), making them run slow early makes them waste energy and also enables their opponents to conserve energy for the later stages of the race as well.

i think i've seen sal try to explain this concept to people on here, but for whatever reason, this simple piece of racing fact is somewhat elusive for most people here.

i'll give mccarron some credit though, as later in his career, sometime around the mid 90's, he actually figured this out and started to ride MUCH better. not only was he riding speed better, but his in race tactics were much sounder.

that's one of the things that drive me crazy about most jocks. they dont seem to enter a race with a concept of how the race will unfold, and inevitably will become a victim of how the race develops.

the other thing about mccarron, he was a known ass kisser of epic proportions at socal tracks back in the 80's and 90's. probably in the 2000s as well.

i was talking to the office manager of one of the better known socal trainers (hall of fame trainer) back around the early 90s. beyond being the officer manager of this trainer, she was also related to him. anyways, when we were talking about horses and jocks and such, she told me that when this trainer learned that mccarron had suffered a major injury (i believe a broken leg!), this trainer jumped out of his chair and was actually ecstatic.

i don't remember the exact quote she gave, but to paraphrase, it went something like "yes! serves that as.s kissing SOB right!".

he could not stand mccarron, even though he used him pretty frequently on some great animals.

nitpick and flame away.

No. I'm saying it's ridiculous to compare Azeri to those three horses.

I would suggest you take remedial English lessons or buy a dictionary to improve your vocabulary.

If you believe that Shoe was the only legitimate jockey to compare to Mccarron, well, I don't know what to say to that!!

Pincay was certainly better than both.

PVal when he didn't have his head up his butt.

Cordero.

Bailey.

Eddie D.

Toro on the turf even!

Gary Stevens before he fell in love with himself.

Kent D. before his second or third fall.

While you may take issue with what Vic Stauffer said in his call, please remember that in winning the Vanity Handicap, Azeri was picking up her 10th consecutive win, her 13th consecutive 100+ Beyer and had beaten everything thrown her way in the prior 15 months. That being said, comparing her to those three was a bit of a stretch.

As far as McCarron, I think the 2000 and 2001 Breeders' Cup Classics say all that needs to be said about what kind of rider he was.

NT

I take back what I said about you when I defended you at the time you were compared to PG1985.

The horses he rode always seemed to gut out the win in close races???

I can think of few weaker jocks in that department.

He was notorious in the 80s for waiting too long! Ferdinand beating Alysheba in the classic is a nice example off the top of my head.

Yeah, like I said previously, in the mid 90's he seemed to have figured things out and became a much better jockey. There was a span of two or three years around then where it seemed like he couldn't get beat.

Prior to that though....

Toushe'

But really I could care less.

That's interesting.

I could think of a few on here that might be placed higher, but I'd like to know what in my posts makes you think I should head that list.

yeah, perhaps 20 years has clouded my memory and i could stand to watch the race between ferd and sheba again.

however, there really were far too many times mccarron waited and waited and waited.

his ride on sheba in the belmont was very typical of his thinking. i'm not saying sheba would have beaten bet twice that day, but taking him that far back in a race where speed rules (despite the distance) was typical of his poor tactical thinking. sheba was a much faster horse than generally recognized (by fast i mean he had very nice tactical speed) and if he had been more forwardly placed, the race could easily have come out differently.

Yeah, I'm generally a fairly bitter person, but that has nothing to do with this.

I'm someone who went to the track on average about five times a week from 1985 to the late 90's, and believe me, for most of that time, people in socal who were track regulars did not respect him as a rider. At least until the mid 90's anyways.

Your memory is very clouded.

Go do some more spaghetti!

My point being, as you know already, that had he been used more intelligently in the race, he'd have gotten second instead of fourth, and there is no doubt he'd have finished much closer to Bet Twice than he did.

All a s s kissers as I recall ( Pat was kissing his own with his head always near.)

McCarron would put your horse in the position to win and it was up to the trainer to have him fit enough to finish.

Cashed alot of tickets with Chris in the saddle.

I would like to add that anybody that takes delight in someone being hurt has a serious mental flaw. I was at the track the day Chris fall and got trampled, He was riding Encoded down in on the rail and his horse went down nearing the 3/8 pole. He was lucky to survive.

Rough day on this board for Whittingham I guess.

Dude is getting accused of juicing legends and cheering jockey injuries in seperate threads.

First of all is Vic Stauffer the true Vic Stauffer here?
Secondly haven't we decided that jockies are overrated anyway?
Thirdly while Mccarron was hardly a slug of a Jockey, he did happen to give one of the worst rides in Preakness history on Touch Gold, though TG did stumble at the break, it was a nightmarish trip beyond belief or certainly of a jockey of Mccarron's stature.

Now you've got me wondering.

I was always a fan of the "straight and strong" signature. Every announcer has to have an unique thing that distinguishes themselves. That one works for me.

For real...

Has to be living in the middle of bum**** Maine that gets to him....

I live in South Western Maine, less than a mile from the New Hampshire state line about an hour and a half from Boston. I'm not that much stuck in the sticks.

What gets to me are people who think they are cute that try to put words into my mouth.

I was going to say 'idiots' at first instead.

Charlie do you ever get to Rockingham or Belmont

No to both, but Rockingham might be doable. I'd be interested in going there.

I may hook up with my friend from Joisey, and perhaps Druggie, at toga.

Why? Do you go to Rockingham?

Yes.

My girlfriend is in Grad school in MA, and whenever I visit I spend my days at Rockingham. She lives in MA, but a couple miles from the NH boarder. Rockingham is about 10 minutes from her house.

I cant say much for the way Rockingham treats a player, but I do like the atmosphere.

That seems quite oxymoronic. If he was so bad and such a pain...how on earth and why on earth would people that couldn't stand him put him on great animals???