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Rootdog1 03-27-2008 10:01 AM

Dubai on TVG?
 
Will TVG have coverage Sat morning? Starting at what time EST?

thanks

docicu3 03-27-2008 10:16 AM

I thought I read HRTV

smuthg 03-27-2008 10:16 AM

Don't think so... I believe they lost the coverage to HRTV last year.

Rootdog1 03-27-2008 12:23 PM

darn - ok thanks

cmorioles 03-27-2008 12:30 PM

Anyone know if there will be PPs at DRF? Can't find them yet, free or for sale.

Coach Pants 03-27-2008 12:31 PM

http://horseracing.about.com/gi/dyna..._Formguide.pdf

Quote this for oreo. Thanks.

Bigsmc 03-27-2008 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Anyone know if there will be PPs at DRF? Can't find them yet, free or for sale.

I've gotten them from DRF in years past. I'm sure they will put them up this year. When they will do it, is an excellent question.

Alan07 03-27-2008 01:15 PM

On TVG 9:30 AM ET with Todd
PP'S:http://www.xpressbet.com/Mm5video.aspx

cmorioles 03-27-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Thanks. I know BRIS has them as well, but I was looking for DRF specifically.

my miss storm cat 03-27-2008 04:03 PM

Whew!

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44273


TVG to Telecast Dubai World Cup

TVG announced March 27 it reached a "last-minute agreement" to feature live coverage of the March 29 Dubai World Cup from Nad al Sheba Racecourse in Dubai of the United Arab Emirates.

It was previously announced HRTV would also carry coverage of the Dubai World Cup. TVG’s coverage includes the major stakes races on the Dubai World Cup card, including the Dubai World Cup (UAE-I), Godolphin Mile (UAE-II), UAE Derby (UAE-II), Dubai Golden Shaheen (UAE-I), Dubai Duty Free (UAE-IT), and the Dubai Sheema Classic (UAE-IT).

TVG’s Dubai World Cup coverage, beginning at 10:30 a.m. EST, will be hosted by Todd Schrupp, who will be joined by Simon Bray and jockey Corey Nakatani. Bray was the assistant trainer for Bill Mott when Cigar captured the 1996 inaugural running of the Dubai World Cup. Nakatani has ridden several times at Nad al Sheba and won the 2001 Golden Shaheen aboard Caller One. Advance deposit wagering is available on all races through TVG.com, Mobile.TVG.com and TVG’s telephone wagering systems.

“TVG is thrilled to deliver the world’s richest horse race featuring Curlin to more homes than any other network in the country,” said Tony Allevato, TVG’s executive producer, in a news release. “We are extremely grateful to the Dubai Racing Club. Without its efforts, our coverage would not be possible.”

Curlin, the reigning U.S. Horse of the Year and winner of the 2007 Breeders’ Cup Classic Powered by Dodge (gr. I), is taking on a star-studded international cast in the World Cup that includes Vermilion from Japan, Asiatic Boy from Argentina, Happy Boy from Brazil and Premium Tap from Saudi Arabia. Curlin’s fellow U.S. counterparts Well Armed, Great Hunter and A.P. Arrow will also contest this year’s World Cup, in which a field of 13 will travel the 1 ¼-miles classic distance.

ddthetide 03-27-2008 04:10 PM

are any regular tv carrying the races even tape delay?

my miss storm cat 03-27-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
are any regular tv carrying the races even tape delay?

No idea (not that I know of anyway) , but the replays are up after about ten minutes or so. :)

CSC 03-27-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Anyone know if there will be PPs at DRF? Can't find them yet, free or for sale.

Here they are:
http://www.fairgroundsracecourse.com...bairacing.html

Bigsmc 03-28-2008 04:07 AM

Real DRF pp's:

http://www.drf.com/internat/08dubwc.pdf

zippyneedsawin 03-28-2008 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
are any regular tv carrying the races even tape delay?

Per DRF.com:

The World Cup is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. Eastern and will be broadcast on tape delay at 2:30 on ABC. The races can be seen live on HorseRacing TV and TVG and on many online wagering platforms and will be streamed in real time on espn360.com.

CSC 03-28-2008 07:52 AM

Actually from a betting perspective I am not even interested in the Dubai World Cup, instead I am betting the undercard. Unless Curlin DOES NOT run his race, I don't see anyone that is in his league here. Jalil has wiseguy written all over him as he does intrigue me a little, but at what odds do you take the second most attractive horse in here?

Scav 03-28-2008 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Actually from a betting perspective I am not even interested in the Dubai World Cup, instead I am betting the undercard. Unless Curlin DOES NOT run his race, I don't see anyone that is in his league here. Jalil has wiseguy written all over him as he does intrigue me a little, but at what odds do you take the second most attractive horse in here?

at least 10/1 on Jalil. I think Curlin has a 90% chance of winning, and I am only assigning that 10% not winning because of the hilarious things that can happen, even in the desert, in racing.

-Training like a monster
-2nd start off the layoff
-decent figure off the layoff
-lays over the field
-decent post, allows him to survey what is going on

He just isn't going to lose. If for some reason the public allows him to go off at like 4/5, it might be absolutely unload time for me, but I am guessing more like 1/2 or 2/5

SundayStar 03-28-2008 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
are any regular tv carrying the races even tape delay?


i believe espn will during the florida derby coverage. probly only the curlin race though.

CSC 03-28-2008 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
at least 10/1 on Jalil. I think Curlin has a 90% chance of winning, and I am only assigning that 10% not winning because of the hilarious things that can happen, even in the desert, in racing.

-Training like a monster
-2nd start off the layoff
-decent figure off the layoff
-lays over the field
-decent post, allows him to survey what is going on

He just isn't going to lose. If for some reason the public allows him to go off at like 4/5, it might be absolutely unload time for me, but I am guessing more like 1/2 or 2/5

All things being equal, I agree Curlin shouldn't lose; however this is horseracing and we know there are no locks in this game...Saying that I hate betting a race just for the sake of betting where my only hope is where the clearcut best horse doesn't run his race. History says American based horses run very well in The DWC, it's either that or a Godolphin horse as it seems with this race and I doubt even the connections will admit that Jalil is the second coming of Street Cry...

CSC 03-28-2008 09:36 AM

Or maybe I should have referenced Moon Ballad, but then again Harlan's Holiday is no Curlin either...

SCUDSBROTHER 03-28-2008 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
at least 10/1 on Jalil. I think Curlin has a 90% chance of winning, and I am only assigning that 10% not winning because of the hilarious things that can happen, even in the desert, in racing.

-Training like a monster
-2nd start off the layoff
-decent figure off the layoff
-lays over the field
-decent post, allows him to survey what is going on

He just isn't going to lose. If for some reason the public allows him to go off at like 4/5, it might be absolutely unload time for me, but I am guessing more like 1/2 or 2/5

He can come 2nd...I have one question.Is there anybody here who has followed the game for atleast 15 years,and still gets excited about betting chalk horses (like this) to win less money than you have to put up? If you have to "unload," to make money,then you are going to end up in Gamblers Anonymous.Obviously,some people bet heavy on horses,but if they aren't having a chance to win a hell of a lot more than they are putting up,then they are in trouble(unless they have simply got endless resources.) I am not talking specifics here.I am not saying this horse can't win or whatever.I mean,in general,this activity will kick your a_s_s.

Scav 03-28-2008 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
He can come 2nd...I have one question.Is there anybody here who has followed the game for atleast 15 years,and still gets excited about betting chalk horses (like this) to win less money than you have to put up? If you have to "unload," to make money,then you are going to end up in Gamblers Anonymous.Obviously,some people bet heavy on horses,but if they aren't having a chance to win a hell of a lot more than they are putting up,then they are in trouble(unless they have simply got endless resources.) I am not talking specifics here.I am not saying this horse can't win or whatever.I mean,in general,this activity will kick your a_s_s.

This horse should be 1/5 or 2/5 in this field, if I can get TWICE that, 4/5, I percieve that as value and I will bet accordingly.

All it is, is a 3 minute (Plus however long to be official) loan as far as I am concerned because the horse aint losing.

And I obviously don't do this all the time, because I don't usually bet 4/5, unless I think the horse should be 1/2....

SCUDSBROTHER 03-28-2008 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
This horse should be 1/5 or 2/5 in this field, if I can get TWICE that, 4/5, I percieve that as value and I will bet accordingly.

All it is, is a 3 minute (Plus however long to be official) loan as far as I am concerned because the horse aint losing.

And I obviously don't do this all the time, because I don't usually bet 4/5, unless I think the horse should be 1/2....

Siegel said exactly this stuff about WAR PASS(couple weeks ago .)Would seem one of you should be right.So,good luck.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-28-2008 12:10 PM

SCAV,what I don't get is, if you're a good bettor, you shouldn't need to play this obvious stuff for meager odds.It's like George trying to buy a championship for the Yankees.

Scav 03-28-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
SCAV,what I don't get is, if you're a good bettor, you shouldn't need to play this obvious stuff for meager odds.It's like George trying to buy a championship for the Yankees.

Again, I am not going to play him at 2/5 or 1/5, but if he drifts up to 4/5, where people are going to try and beat him, I won't try and beat him.

Being a good bettor doesn't necessarily mean playing horses at larger odds or more favorable, it is taking advantage of situations where you feel you are at an advantage.

ArlJim78 03-28-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
This horse should be 1/5 or 2/5 in this field, if I can get TWICE that, 4/5, I percieve that as value and I will bet accordingly.

All it is, is a 3 minute (Plus however long to be official) loan as far as I am concerned because the horse aint losing.

And I obviously don't do this all the time, because I don't usually bet 4/5, unless I think the horse should be 1/2....

way too risky especially in this case if you ask me. you can't have a good handle on some of these horses given that they are coming from so many different countries so to me its hard to be sure that that value is real. everybody and their mother will be doing the same thing.

you've got big turf races in front of this race, with big fields and legit longshot potential. if you like curlin why not try to get much better odds with a double or pk3?

CSC 03-28-2008 12:35 PM

Curlin is the best horse to come along in quite awhile well atleast since Invasor ran, you can put those 2 in a class of their own. His numbers have been on the improve the more he matures.

Saying that I wouldn't want to sweat too much for my money tommorow, 2 mins of anticipation even on Curlin is a little more I would want to bargain for at his probable 1-2 odds.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-28-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Again, I am not going to play him at 2/5 or 1/5, but if he drifts up to 4/5, where people are going to try and beat him, I won't try and beat him.

Being a good bettor doesn't necessarily mean playing horses at larger odds or more favorable, it is taking advantage of situations where you feel you are at an advantage.

I am talking generally (about doing this.)In general,if you continue to bet more than your profit will be,then you will struggle mightily.

Scav 03-28-2008 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
way too risky especially in this case if you ask me. you can't have a good handle on some of these horses given that they are coming from so many different countries so to me its hard to be sure that that value is real. everybody and their mother will be doing the same thing.

you've got big turf races in front of this race, with big fields and legit longshot potential. if you like curlin why not try to get much better odds with a double or pk3?

I am trying to get away from P3's and you SUCK ME BACK IN...

How much money are really going to be in those P3 pools though?

I know...I haven't decided on how tomorrow is going to go yet.

This conversation is probably pointless given the fact that he will be 1/5 or 2/5 and in that case, I am obviously not playing him....

Scav 03-28-2008 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I am talking generally (about doing this.)In general,if you continue to bet more than your profit will be,then you will struggle mightily.

Scuds, do I sit and tout 3/5's all the time? I think this is a unique circumstance. Honestly, I wouldn't even be talking about this but with his prep over the track and being under the lights, this is the only reason I am considering it, if the odds are right

ArlJim78 03-28-2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I am trying to get away from P3's and you SUCK ME BACK IN...

I know...I haven't decided on how tomorrow is going to go yet.

This conversation is probably pointless given the fact that he will be 1/5 or 2/5 and in that case, I am obviously not playing him....

that was a general comment, honestly I don't see the race as playable. its not my kind of play. even if I think he's a sure thing which I really do, the odds will be just too low.

i do think some bombs could come out of the rest of the card, i've got a few i'm looking at.

CSC 03-28-2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
that was a general comment, honestly I don't see the race as playable. its not my kind of play. even if I think he's a sure thing which I really do, the odds will be just too low.

i do think some bombs could come out of the rest of the card, i've got a few i'm looking at.

It's not my kind of play either, agreed on that. However, this race can be played in the same vein as War Pass losing to the Tagg horse. The best horse doesn't always run their race for whatever reason, if you want to take a shot that lighting will strike, the payoff may be worth it. Again I just don't like that method of betting, however it would be feasible as long as you know before going in that Curlin is the best horse, and you are betting that he has an off day, that is what you are betting on.

Scav 03-28-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
that was a general comment, honestly I don't see the race as playable. its not my kind of play. even if I think he's a sure thing which I really do, the odds will be just too low.

i do think some bombs could come out of the rest of the card, i've got a few i'm looking at.

I like Archipenko in the Duty Free at a price, Linngari also. I think Notional has a shot at running real big. Never thought I would say that. I also think the first three are fairly formful. But the Duty Free has a shot at a monster horse, and the race after I have given up on. In the 5th I will be boxing Notional, Archipenko, Creachadoir, and Linngari, and in the 6th I am boxing Sun Classique, Gravitas, Viva Pataca, and Doctor Dino. I might also use the far outside horse, Gower Song.

ArlJim78 03-28-2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I like Archipenko in the Duty Free at a price, Linngari also. I think Notional has a shot at running real big. Never thought I would say that. I also think the first three are fairly formful. But the Duty Free has a shot at a monster horse, and the race after I have given up on. In the 5th I will be boxing Notional, Archipenko, Creachadoir, and Linngari, and in the 6th I am boxing Sun Classique, Gravitas, Viva Pataca, and Doctor Dino. I might also use the far outside horse, Gower Song.

I'm with you on Archipenko.
also give a look to the horse MMSC has been touting, Latency. last grass effort in Arg he carried 134 lbs and drew off by open lengths in a gr1 against 23 opponents. of course you do have to look past the nad al sheba dirt prep race, but maybe that was only for condition. not a strong chance I know, but the horse will be a huge price. that is a deep race.

cmorioles 03-28-2008 12:58 PM

For those interested, I posted my figures for the whole card as the Race of the Week on my site.

All foreign race figures are free Racing Post figures and converted to the Beyer scale using my own proprietary formula.

ArlJim78 03-28-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
For those interested, I posted my figures for the whole card as the Race of the Week on my site.

All foreign race figures are free Racing Post figures and converted to the Beyer scale using my own proprietary formula.

thanks, thats really helpful.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-28-2008 01:04 PM

The horse has gone off low 3 times.Twice he got beat doing it,and once he won doing it.He lost at 4/5,and even money.He won at 4/5.I guess I just don't understand why you want him less than even money(when you could of had him at over 4-1.)Yes,he ran huge,but unless he is running in the slop again,then I think he could run 2nd or 3rd again.Other than that Grade 1 race,he hasn't been dominant in Grade 1 races.He has been very competitive in them,but he has only drawn off in one Grade 1 race. I guess most everyone thinks his real self is gunna be to now do what he did at the B.C. on a dry track.Maybe,but I don't know.I think his real self may still be to win or lose by a neck in big races.The Juvenile filly winner,and B.C. Sprint winner haven't looked as dominant as they did that day in the slop.

tiggerv 03-28-2008 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
For those interested, I posted my figures for the whole card as the Race of the Week on my site.

All foreign race figures are free Racing Post figures and converted to the Beyer scale using my own proprietary formula.

Very nice. Thanks

TitanSooner 03-28-2008 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
For those interested, I posted my figures for the whole card as the Race of the Week on my site.

All foreign race figures are free Racing Post figures and converted to the Beyer scale using my own proprietary formula.

Thanks CJ!

Oaklawnfan 03-28-2008 10:54 PM

I realize I'm about to get my head handed to me for asking this question.... But is there anyone who feels we are already sending these people enough money as it is. Gas is over $3 a gallon. If the Sheiks get to buy our best horses for stud, could they lower the price of crude to less than $100 a barrel?

Signed, Conservative in the Ozarks.


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