Keeneland Rebates
 

Premier Turf Club is offering legal, onshore KEE rebates. http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory...159&source=rss

PTC is not the place for you if you feel takeout is not too high or you feel that cash rebates are wrong. It is also not the place for you if you don't want a superior betting interface, conditional wagering or dutching capabilities.

Steve has approved this posting. I am a customer of PTC and not a principal.

Good to see they are starting to get some big name tracks finally.

No. Fully parimutuel: not a bookie.

Wheres Churchhill? NYRA? and So Cal Tracks on that list?

They are working on it. Right now, Keeneland is their first big track that they got and a couple more should be coming soon. They also have the Breeders Cup.

I am yet to be a member yet, but I have talked to their CEO multiple times, and the guy is as legit as they come

He's definitely as legit as they come and sooner or later he's gonna get all the major tracks on board.

Which means, with the rebates, present losers will become winners. I mean, those who can't show a positive ROI presently will be able to eek out a decent living (should they choose so) by betting enough and getting a rebate.

So, if you can't beat the game UNAIDED, you can now beat the game LEGALLY with rebates. Those using the figures or programs of others would have no problem in this area.

HOWEVER, as a cop once told a friend of mine who was about to get into a fight outside of St. Paddy's Cathedral: "I've got the winner."

And that's exactly what Uncle Sam says. Got a problem with the high takeout. Can't win betting the ponies? NO PROBLEM. Sign on for some legal rebates, turn a profit, and give up a nice chunk of it to Uncle Sam. And HIS take is HIGHER than the takeout.

P.S. if you're not a 'professional' gambler, then you can't declare your expenses. Those sheets add up. OUCH.

Kind of puts ANONYMOUS, full payout track betting OR even local 5% takeout OTB betting in a whole new light. Of course, you'd have to be able to show UNAIDED profit in these cases.

I mean, can you imagine putting in all the time and effort to achieve the skill and discipline to be able to pull out $100K plus a year from betting and then have to give up 40% to Uncle Sam? This, on top of the high takeout. Now, THAT's GETTING BENT OVER LIKE A BITCH.

I don't know - but from the looks of it - the sooner they get them the better.

Fat Man,

You need a tax haven. Bermuda, Bahamas, etc... No personal income tax.

How much are the rebates?

A little bit about us, just a little because I don't want to post a full-blown ad without paying Steve first (which we would be delighted to do).

We are legal, licensed, 100% pari-mutuel, fully vetted by the TRPB (which is why we have been able to get tough signals like KEE and Tampa). We pay cash rewards on each wager; amounts vary by track pool and monthly handle. KEE rewards will vary from 2.50% on the low end to 7% on the high end. Keep in mind, it is one of the lowest take tracks 16%/19% in the country.

Ian, explain low end and high end, is that by handle or by wager?

Both, Rewards schedules are based upon monthly handle and wager type. Obviously we can give more back at a 16% take than a 25%.

That's counterintuitive to me.

--Dunbar

I'm sure that is a typo. PTC is the best thing for bettors online I've seen. I can't wait to get back to the US in a few months and start using all the incredible tools Ian has put together. They make all other ADWs look silly.

So when are we going to have Woodside Associates and the other PA shills advertise here?

Sorry, I was trying to do too many things at once this morning. It's the opposite way around, of course. It will show me not to multi-task. Walking and chewing gum at the same time is still hard for me. :)

I'm not sure how anyone that bets money could be anti-PTC.

I agree, but what is lacking is the tracks, but he is working on it. The second he gets California, I am over there for good. I get the feeling though that once he gets some of these bigger tracks, the other ADW's might follow suit, because the only thing that Twin Spires has, and it is the most important strength, is their tracks. Everything else they offer is complete garbage. If I could create an ADW I would create it as follows

1) Youbet's wagering platform
2) Twin Spires Video
3) PTC's wagering opportunitys (dutching, 'if' wagers)
4) PTC's customer service/management

I agree.

Moreover, I'm sure Uncle Sam can't wait for you to come over here as well so they can start digging into your pocket for their share of your winnings.

On another note, you might want to put that (thinks he's) annoying (attention needing) idiot on ignore or at least not quote him for those who have him shaded.

The important thing is the are providing quality competition and a lot of innovation, usually unheard of in any facet of the game.

They already do. I don't mess with the IRS.

Good idea.

I equate the PTC threads on here to telemarketing. I'm against being sold something when I'm not looking for said product/service. That's the beauty of the do not call list and it was a nice little feature of this site.

Plus nothing irritates me more with this deal than the blatant cheerleading of a service that doesn't offer what I'm looking for. Sure Keeneland is a nice addition but it's a very short meet.

The chances of PTC getting CDI and Magna tracks are slim to none and unfortunately that won't change until one or both of them folds.

And really if people on this board want to be sold something...I highly suggest and recommend Paceadvantage.com.

Now the_fat_b.itch...he's calling me an idiot? Boo hoo. Guess I don't b.itch enough to earn his approval.

I agree, I love that about this site. I don't think he was selling though.

Nah this isn't a sales tactic...

"PTC is not the place for you if you feel takeout is not too high or you feel that cash rebates are wrong. It is also not the place for you if you don't want a superior betting interface, conditional wagering or dutching capabilities."

...It's like he's selling a Benz when in reality it's a Hyundai.

Dude, that is ceejay, he is a cool dude, he wasn't selling them, he was telling people what was available.....He is more pumped that Keeneland has become available. If Ian (PTC) would have said it, then I would consider selling.

My only interest in PTC is as a customer. I wouldn't know Ian if I ran into him. Believe it. Don't believe it. I don't care. I just thought some DT'ers might be interested.

Oh, you left this part of the original post out:

I'm just highly skeptical of the purpose of this thread. Either the OP is borderline retarded or he's a shill. Because if I recall he's made ptc threads before.

Shill stats:
Total posts before this- 247
PTC-related ones before this- 5
2.0% or 50/1 odds. If I'm a shill I'm not a very good one. Please put me on ignore.

I'm not a sissy therefore I don't put people on ignore.

The PTC threads I was referring to were darted instantly and there were quite a few of them.

That's not what I heard

Well you don't see me with a PTC account do ya?

I'm no shill man, you know this, and I just signed up. I currently use NYRA Rewards and their handle requirements to earn a reasonable rebate are REALLY high. I bet a LOT and don't frequently earn enough to make a substantial rebate in most months. Their rebates average 5-6% on most tracks, which is a HUGE competitive advantage. On top of that, they have some cool functions which I haven't learned how to use yet like conditional wagering like a function that checks for minimum odds on the horse you want to bet with 1 MTP and doesn't send the wager unless it meets the minimum.

With the tracks they offer I would be lucky to push 10 grand through the windows for the year. $500-$600 isn't worth the time to register an account and fund it. If I was that hard up for cash I wouldn't be betting in the first place.

I know it's different for each person, however.

I hear you, which I guess it's exciting to me that they are getting Keeneland. Before that, the only other track I play seriously on there is Monmouth/Meadowlands- wouldn't be worth it to play the Red Mile or Mardi Gras Dogs. This sort of legitimizes their operation...