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wac 03-24-2008 08:05 PM

Dennis of cork, albarado off??
 
I just read on bloodhorse that albarado isn't interested in staying on dennis for KD. Why you think he is bailing? I think this horse pretty much stacks up with just about anyone other then Pyro. Just seems odd to me.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-24-2008 08:06 PM

He commited to riding Country Star before DoC's connections made an audible out of the Rebel and into the Wood.

wac 03-24-2008 08:09 PM

country star? isnt that the frankle filly? i didnt know they were talking about running in the Derby with her.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-24-2008 08:13 PM

They aren't.

Danzig 03-24-2008 08:15 PM

and for those taking notes on what jocks are going where, gomez has committed to court vision, rather than colonel john.

jcs11204 03-24-2008 08:16 PM

i read that the best in the business julian is riding dennis or porkchop, i like him better with julian

jcs11204 03-24-2008 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
and for those taking notes on what jocks are going where, gomez has committed to court vision, rather than colonel john.

thats big time stuff.... i thought court vision was sneaky good in the fountain of youth and i think he will run 2-3 in the wood and be a nice price in the derby

Danzig 03-24-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wac
I just read on bloodhorse that albarado isn't interested in staying on dennis for KD. Why you think he is bailing? I think this horse pretty much stacks up with just about anyone other then Pyro. Just seems odd to me.

he's going with the horse he had already committed to, with the realization that whoever gets dennis in the wood may keep the ride for the derby. can't say i blame him, denis has all kinds of ??? hovering over him now.

Danzig 03-24-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i read that the best in the business julian is riding dennis or porkchop, i like him better with julian

there's a horse named porkchop???

NTamm1215 03-24-2008 08:23 PM

I thought the Gomez off Colonel John thing had more to do with Eoin Harty being committed to Nakatani on CJ. Gomez only rode him last time because Nakatani was still injured.

NT

wac 03-24-2008 08:30 PM

do you guys/gals read anything into a jock taking off a horse? I thought that after his last race albarado was pretty much sticking on him. Julian (it seems) has been having a rough time lately. Is there any real line up as which jock is on which horse at this point. I would assume bridgemon on pyro but other then that does anyone know anything?

tiggerv 03-24-2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I thought the Gomez off Colonel John thing had more to do with Eoin Harty being committed to Nakatani on CJ. Gomez only rode him last time because Nakatani was still injured.

NT

I think that's the case too.

miraja2 03-24-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
and for those taking notes on what jocks are going where, gomez has committed to court vision, rather than colonel john.

People taking notes on that should find a new hobby.

NTamm1215 03-24-2008 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
People taking notes on that should find a new hobby.

So when it's announced that a horse you like for the Derby is going to be ridden by a 2nd tier jockey you simply don't bat an eye?

NT

The Indomitable DrugS 03-24-2008 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
So when it's announced that a horse you like for the Derby is going to be ridden by a 2nd tier jockey you simply don't bat an eye?

NT

If Stew Elliot and the '05 version of Mike Smith can win in back-to-back years - just about anyone can if they have the right horse.

Bigsmc 03-25-2008 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
So when it's announced that a horse you like for the Derby is going to be ridden by a 2nd tier jockey you simply don't bat an eye?

NT

Yup.

Danzig 03-25-2008 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
People taking notes on that should find a new hobby.

when i was at the track the other day i didn't pay any attention to what jock was listed-except to note an entrymate needed a rider if both were to run.

Danzig 03-25-2008 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I thought the Gomez off Colonel John thing had more to do with Eoin Harty being committed to Nakatani on CJ. Gomez only rode him last time because Nakatani was still injured.

NT

have no idea, the way the article was written it appeared it was gomez and his agent who made the call. but that doesn't really mean anything.

Linny 03-25-2008 07:40 AM

Who exactly is Albarado taking off for? Other than one or two colts, Denis seems pretty highly thought of and I can't imagine he's likely to get onto the colts regarded higher than Denis. Didn't he pick up the mount on Denis when Calvin Borel had a conflict?

ARyan 03-25-2008 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wac
do you guys/gals read anything into a jock taking off a horse? I thought that after his last race albarado was pretty much sticking on him. Julian (it seems) has been having a rough time lately. Is there any real line up as which jock is on which horse at this point. I would assume bridgemon on pyro but other then that does anyone know anything?

177 - 29-38-19
Earnings - $1,322,221
Win % (In-The-Money %)
16% (48%)


I don't know if I would call that "having a rough time lately."

Danzig 03-25-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Who exactly is Albarado taking off for? Other than one or two colts, Denis seems pretty highly thought of and I can't imagine he's likely to get onto the colts regarded higher than Denis. Didn't he pick up the mount on Denis when Calvin Borel had a conflict?

yes, he got denis when calvin went with turf war (whoops).

albarado has opted to ride country star in the ashland.

as for denis being highly thought of-- i think that was before his connections suddenly changed his schedule, deciding to skip the southwest, wait for the wood, and then go to the derby from there--meaning he'll run one race in 11 weeks.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-26-2008 07:09 PM

Denis Of Cork is now going to the ILL Derby

Danzig 03-26-2008 07:32 PM

wonder where they'll point him to tomorrow...

Coach Pants 03-26-2008 07:43 PM

The horse is more likely to run in the Irish Derby than the one in Kentucky.

Danzig 03-26-2008 07:44 PM

they could...just because no horse has ever won on that kind of layoff, doesn't mean he couldn't.:rolleyes:


can you tell i just finished reading the discussion about big brown starting from the 12 hole??

tiggerv 03-26-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they just trained up to the Derby.

What do Razogin and Jerry Brown suggest?

Danzig 03-26-2008 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
What do Razogin and Jerry Brown suggest?


dunno, but my magic eight ball said ask later.

Kasept 03-26-2008 07:55 PM

Simply put... Anyone wanting to know where the decisions are coming from can look to Mark Reid, long-time adviser to the Warrens (i.e. Saint Liam).

Cannon Shell 03-26-2008 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Simply put... Anyone wanting to know where the decisions are coming from can look to Mark Reid, long-time adviser to the Warrens (i.e. Saint Liam).

I guess all those years at Philly Park gave him his Derby Trail expertise

JJP 03-26-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Denis Of Cork is now going to the ILL Derby

Wherever he runs, he will be overbet, IMO.

jcs11204 03-26-2008 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Steve, I'd like nothing more than to see Denis of Cork win the Derby, as I have him in a few futures. But, you'd have to admit that all of these changes in plans can't be good. Whatever happened to having a plan and sticking to it? Like I said, i hope their decisions work out, but they are very suspect, especially this close to the Derby.


i think i said a while back that i strongly dislike this horse, and took a lot of crap for it..... connections dont know what to do, and simply put hes just not that good

JJP 03-26-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
If the Illinois Derby and the Wood Memorial are run on the same day, then it doesn't matter whether he runs at Sportman's Park or at Aqueduct.

[I liked Haskin's reporting of someone who said that trainers are manufacturing patterns by planning the Derby preps.]

There is no more Sportsman's. The Ill Derby is run at Hawthorne.

JJP 03-26-2008 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
There is no more Sportsman's. The Ill Derby is run at Hawthorne.

Sportsman's was a great track when it was 5/8ths. An apprentice rider got killed there in the early 90s and Lukas said "I'll never run a horse there again", The comment was stupid because: 1) Lukas never ran horses at Spt anyways, and 2) the sharp turns had nothing to do with the rider getting killed.

So what did they do? The elongated the stretches and still kept the hairpin turns, so it was like a paperclip, or maybe a stretched out rubber band. The fans loved the old 5/8th track and hated the conversion. Then came the strange twist with building an auto track outside the dirt surface. That helped speed things up to where things are now: no more Sportsman's....R.I.P.

Kasept 03-27-2008 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i think i said a while back that i strongly dislike this horse, and took a lot of crap for it..... connections dont know what to do, and simply put hes just not that good

You don't know what you're talking about. Those 'connections' that 'don't know what to do' won a Breeders Cup Classic and had a Horse of the Year. David Carroll had a plan he wanted to stick with and would be doing things differently but is being countermanded by the owners' long time adviser. Like most subtleties, it's obviously lost on you that the horse is an undefeated graded stakes winner; has run faster on figs than all but Pyro and War Pass; and is better than virtually every other three year old in the country.

Kasept 03-27-2008 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I guess all those years at Philly Park gave him his Derby Trail expertise

;)

Kasept 03-27-2008 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Steve, I'd like nothing more than to see Denis of Cork win the Derby, as I have him in a few futures. But, you'd have to admit that all of these changes in plans can't be good. Whatever happened to having a plan and sticking to it? Like I said, i hope their decisions work out, but they are very suspect, especially this close to the Derby.

Carroll is frustrated as his plan was established going back to last year. He is being a team player trying to say the right thing, but I'm sure he isn't happy. He is also quite concerned that if things don't go as well as they hope he will be the one taking the heat... as he already has somewhat from people who don't understand the way things work frequently in these situations.

And to make it clear... Anyone who thinks that Carroll wouldn't know how to bring a horse into the Triple Crown the right way is unenlightened. He was there every step of the way galloping Easy Goer.


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