Odd musings for a very early Saturday AM...
 

Every once in a while it's good to get a moment of the bitter taste of Typhoid Mary types like our "friend in his harness" the last two days. It just makes you appreciate the value of the people and discussion here when you flush a bowel movement like that guy.....


Okay bring on Saturday afternoon.....there is plenty of meat on this bone. Why do I have an uncontrollable urge to throw down early on Irish Rogue (ML 8-1) in the first at GP. The horse has only won 22 times even if he is 10 years old....

When your still working half miles in 48.2 and your last 3 workouts are bullets who cares if your pushing 11.....Does it work like dogs with years....a horses age is "X" times the real number. For a dog the number is 7 for instance

There is no shame in smiling with the trainer and family if he wins at $20 bucks or so....maybe it happens tomorrow or maybe the next time but the horse is a win machine in the right situation and he will win again when he is working like this IMO. I can't really justify it but I have always had a thing for this horse. Go get'em ole man!!

They probably cant beat the Larry Pilotti in there.

Maybe, but this is exactly the set up IR seems to get when he wins.....and the more rain the better. Pillotti's horse has never won at the distance and IR is only 5 for 17 at the distance at higher class levels at times. If youve seen IR do this enough times over the years you can almost smell it....

I hope you are right if you are betting.

I wouldnt touch the race because I like Pilotti and hes going to be chalk. That open 14 is still probably stronger than the low level starter races hes been running. Not saying an old warrior like IR cannot win, I just think his best days are behind him and there are enough variables to get off him if you are making a large wager. Hes been nothing but consistant his entire life and his last three are starting to indicate he may have lost a step. I will be rooting for him as well

I will at some point disclose my choices.

i havent left sence last night when posted..











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For a horse, it is 3 years so that would make this 10 year old only 30 in human years. Hunters, show jumpers, and dressage horses aren't their best until they are 10 to 15 years old most of the time. You can't even show a horse in the Olympics if they are under 8 years old via FEI rules. If you like the 10 year old, go for it. Age won't stop him from running a good race since it seems that he still shows a great interest in it.

that is not accurate.
it is approximately 2.5 years in human equivalent only after the horse has reached maturity.
first year of life= 12 human years
2nd year= 7 human years
3rd, 4th and 5th year= 4 human years
all subsequent years are equal to about 2.5 years in human terms.

Oh here we go again...

If the horse is a smoker it's 3.5 years per year after reaching maturity.

true:p

LMAO

I always knew there was a disadvantage to smoking that 'grass.' :D

Well, that would be right if you were just talking about some racetrack bred thoroughbreds, in which the numbers that you gave are also inaccurate for certain individuals.

The numbers that you gave are certainly not correct for all horses. I gave the average for all different breeds of horses because each animal is different, and no one can expect any number that you put up to be exactly accurate for every horse.

When do horses' bones stop growing?

the info that I posted is from the 2007 NAVC conference preceedings. I have faith that they know a hell of a lot more than you do.

It is not accurate for Warmbloods and Draft horses or for every light breed horse as well. Ask any international or Olympic rider. Some won't even start riding them until they are 4 years old because they are not mature enough.

I don't care what the a few vets believe and said about this at a conference. They have been wrong a lot of times. I mean, some vets here in America still believe in pin-firing.

Like I said, answer the question when do horses' bones stop growing and I will prove my point.

FTFY

:rolleyes:

Nobody is talking about warmbloods.

Not just talking about Warmbloods and Draft horses either. Even some light breed horses....

It depends on the individual...

That's why I gave the average number in the first place.

You would find a lot of vets that would disagree with the accuracy of those numbers from that conference for every horse.

My own horse would have been a very good example of the inaccuracy of those numbers.

No offense, Jess...

I will go with Pais on anything she says regarding young thoroughbreds (which is the breed in question.) She has a lot more experience than you in regards to raising them. Our experience in the hunter/jumper world has very little to do with the racing industry.

To answer your question in regards to bone growth, it depends on which bone growth plate you're talking about and the breed of horse.

You just helped my argument. The NAVC was referring to all horses...not just Thoroughbreds. Those numbers cannot be taken at face value.

All I was asking for was the age range of when horses' bones are fully mature. In other words, the age range of when their bones stop maturing and growing. That is all I wanted to know.

Because I have had experience in both worlds and had extensive conversations with those who have worked in all the different fields in both worlds, the racehorse world and show horse world are not very different at all in alot of aspects. The horses breed the same, give birth the same, hunter Thoroughbreds mature and develop the same as racehorse Thoroughbreds, legs are iced after race/show jumping round, foaling barns are ran the same way, surgeries are the same, and yearlings are prepped for a sale in the same manner that we would prep a yearling for an in hand class minus the steroids, not trimming with scissors after the mane has been pulled, and not braiding. There are a lot of differences, but a lot of similarities.

No one on here except for one knows of my experiences or endeavors, and even that person hardly knows all of them. Nor will anyone on here know the extent of them. You are not qualified to speak on them.

Believe who you want to believe. I don't care.

How many foaling barns in the racing industry have you worked in? How many champs (racehorses) have you had the opportunity to raise first hand? How old are you? 21?

Spare me.

amen.

I don't have to prove my worth on an internet message board. Those who matter to me know.

Can I ask you a question. Does experience outweigh knowledge and talent? Just because someone has more experience with horses, does that make them more knowledgeable that a starting out veterinarian?

Hun, she knows more about this stuff than you do. I'm sure there are things that you are more knowledgeable about, but this isn't one of them. Sorry.

Like I said, I'm not going to prove my worth. Everytime I do, it is viewed as bragging.

My statements above were correct. Experience isn't a good gauge of overall knowledge. It doesn't matter that I am 22. I could provide a million examples of how true those statements are in reality in the horse industry. And you certainly to not know my experience either.

She can't even tell me the age range that horses' bones stop growing...

I am done with this. It is pointless. I'm arguing against someone who is supposed to be more knowledgeable than me but can't answer a question. Happens all the time on this board.

Has the thought occurred to you that maybe she doesn't want to answer you? Maybe she doesn't want to argue all day when there are other things she could be doing. Nobody can win an argument with you, Jess. You always have to be right... I've never seen a topic that you weren't considering yourself the 'expert' on.

By the way, experience means a lot more than what you read in books. Almost anyone can pick up a book and gain the knowledge that you speak of. Real life experiences are what mold us and shape us into what we are. If I had a choice between two doctors; one who had been in practice for 20 years and one who had just begun, I would take the more experienced one any day of the week. Why? Because knowledge is very little without the experience that goes along with it.

Can you answer my question about the age range. I just wanted to know the answer to it...

That is all...

I thought that ya'll would know it...

Never claimed to be an expert on anything except the day that I was being facetious about horse conformation...

Ya'll love to take up for each other on this site. Pais is a big girl. She can take up for herself.

As for the doctors, I would much rather have the younger one. Why? Because the younger ones are more up to date on research and new technologies. Plus, they seem to be more enthusiastic and caring when helping patients. Also, they already have alot of experience by the time they are finished with college.

Again, you missed the point, so I will stop trying.

I'll go hide in a corner now...

you want answers? look them up.
as to why myself and certain other members here choose not to get into pointless "discussions" with you?
I can't speak for everyone, but personally I find you so insignificant (and yet entertaining, when you persist in re-asking the same question a hundred times---questions that I assume you already know the answer to--in yet another attempt to show your superiority) that ignoring you is the best way for an endlessly amusing day.

just read something that i felt was appropriate for this thread.

intelligence comes from books, but wisdom comes from experience.

and it's funny that younger supposedly is better, because they learn the 'lastest stuff'....yeah, they learn it after the older and wiser figured it out for them TO learn!!

Oh my God Deb, Jamie what have I done with such an innocent wonder as the start of this thread?.....IR actually ran a hell of a last panel and easily could have won another today. As for the other stuff I am way too much of a simpleton to understand half of what was said here......I just think IR is a beautiful spirited competitive animal which is what was so attractive in the first place. Imagine an athlete who runs for nothing but the joy of winning and seems to know the significance of having heart for the wire......how can you not be in love with that!!

Too funny! What can I say... we women like to go off topic? :o

I don't know that much about raising a champion Thoroughbred racehorse because my barn has never raised one. We've raised Thoroughbred hunters by racehorse sires who also sire good hunters, but we have not raised Thoroughbred racehorses. I reckon both mature the same way though...

Yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. I apologize.

Let me explain my reasoning behind doctors. Each older and wiser individual usually figures out but a piece of the larger picture. Are the older individuals that figured out the individual pieces of the bigger picture for the younger doctors brillant? Absolutely. Are some of them better than some of the younger doctors? Absolutely. Is the older doctor more educated in all the new technologies and research than the younger doctor? Most of the time that isn't the case because the younger doctors (while going through school) are getting all the pieces combined together that the older doctors figured out individually. That is the one of the reasons why doctors are required to go to many CE lectures every year (different numbers depending on the state you practice in). To get lectured on some of the new technologies and research.

I go to a great young doctor who is also a friend of the family. She is in her lower 30s, and is the best GP that I have ever been to.

Horses' bones stop growing (a horse is fully grown) from 5-7 years of age depending on the individual. That is all I have left to say in this thread. We went off topic a bit anyway.

He did run well Doc

that's why i'm a fan. sounds like you enjoyed his race, good for you! i'm looking forward to watching a personal fave, junior college, run next saturday while i'm at the track. now whether i bet him is another story...maybe as part of an ex, as i think he'll be the favorite.