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deltagulf 03-13-2008 08:15 PM

SA finale/Bejarano (Out indefinitely)
 
horse went down with jockey last race today at s.a.


http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44070

declansharbor 03-13-2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf
horse went down with jockey last race today at s.a.


http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44070

I sure hope everything is going to be okay with him. Very sad that the horse had a heart attack. Well wishes and a speedy recovery for the best jock in the world.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2008 08:49 PM

The horse was eased up to the point of barely moving before he went off to the tv screen.

They didn't actually show him getting tossed - but it certainly couldn't have come at much of a speed and he had to have an idea something was wrong because he eased the horse about a quarter of a mile before he got tossed.

Must have made a horrible head-first landing.

IrishofNDMan 03-13-2008 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
I sure hope everything is going to be okay with him. Very sad that the horse had a heart attack. Well wishes and a speedy recovery for the best jock in the world.

I know it's your opinion, but you have to be joking with the whole "best jock in the world" comment, atleast I hope you are.

docicu3 03-13-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
I know it's your opinion, but you have to be joking with the whole "best jock in the world" comment, atleast I hope you are.


The guy was as hot as you can be on one of the largest stages in racing recently......tough to say anything negative about the guys results when he moved to Calif. Handicapping that track just changed if this guy is down for any length of time....50% win rates for his last 2 dozen races is about as high as the sky goes for a jockey isn't it? He certainly doesn't deserve to be treated like a 6K winner but right now at that track it is tough to argue with what he has done over the last month

Coach Pants 03-13-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
The guy was as hot as you can be on one of the largest stages in racing recently......tough to say anything negative about the guys results when he moved to Calif. Handicapping that track just changed if this guy is down for any length of time....50% win rates for his last 2 dozen races is about as high as the sky goes for a jockey isn't it? He certainly doesn't deserve to be treated like a 6K winner but right now at that track it is tough to argue with what he has done over the last month

He NEVER wins win I include his horse on my tickets.

I hope he gives Europe a shot this summer.

cowgirlintexas 03-13-2008 10:34 PM

Hope he is o.k and retains the mount on Georgie Boy this Saturday.

declansharbor 03-13-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
I know it's your opinion, but you have to be joking with the whole "best jock in the world" comment, atleast I hope you are.

If only I knew how to bet when he was a bug rider. Don't get me wrong, I cashed on a good portion of his rides back then (some bomb a$$ prices to boot), but I always think of how much more it would have been if I actually knew then what I know now.

It seemed to me that when he was a bug, he was on a live horse every race, whether it be a 6/5 shot or a 22-1. All the trainers knew that he was a hot commodity, given the weight break and his talent.

In my eyes, he is the best jockey in the world. A few bonehead moves here and there, yea. Feel free to disagree. I'm sure the lines around the corner on this one.

CSC 03-13-2008 11:13 PM

Sorry he is definitely not the best Jockey in the world and probably not even the best jockey in north america. Christophe Soumillon is definitely better, Gomez is... and Prado probably is also.

Bejarano is a good journeyman jockey, he's not bad but I don't see him being in the top 5 Jockies if he were riding in the east.

Indian Charlie 03-13-2008 11:15 PM

isn't being the worlds best jockey kind of like being the worlds biggest dumbass?

SCUDSBROTHER 03-13-2008 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
If only I knew how to bet when he was a bug rider. Don't get me wrong, I cashed on a good portion of his rides back then (some bomb a$$ prices to boot), but I always think of how much more it would have been if I actually knew then what I know now.

It seemed to me that when he was a bug, he was on a live horse every race, whether it be a 6/5 shot or a 22-1. All the trainers knew that he was a hot commodity, given the weight break and his talent.

In my eyes, he is the best jockey in the world. A few bonehead moves here and there, yea. Feel free to disagree. I'm sure the lines around the corner on this one.

Well,I think he has more energy physically and mentally than most jocks.He doesn't have to fight weight.So,he probably isn't as grumpy etc. as many jocks.I like that he always wants to give his horse a chance to see what they have to do.They can always see a target.I don't know if he is best,but he is very good,and he rides stakes races much better than in the past.It would appear SOCAL fits him very well(has since he came here the very 1st time.)

jcs11204 03-14-2008 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
I sure hope everything is going to be okay with him. Very sad that the horse had a heart attack. Well wishes and a speedy recovery for the best jock in the world.

hes not even top 5

jv
edgar
kent
corny
julian

actually not even top 7

ramon
mario

actually not even top 10

jeremy
stew
corey

not even top 12

robby
calvin

jcs11204 03-14-2008 01:22 AM

also victor e
joe t
david f
alex s

10 pnt move up 03-14-2008 01:23 AM

any list with robby albarado on it cant be a list you want to be on.

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
hes not even top 5

jv
edgar
kent
corny
julian

actually not even top 7

ramon
mario

actually not even top 10

jeremy
stew
corey

not even top 12

robby
calvin


jcs11204 03-14-2008 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
any list with robby albarado on it cant be a list you want to be on.

i dont really even like him, but his past few years have been huge... but anyway i forgot a few

gomez
javier c
coa

jcs11204 03-14-2008 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Sorry he is definitely not the best Jockey in the world and probably not even the best jockey in north america. Christophe Soumillon is definitely better, Gomez is... and Prado probably is also.

Bejarano is a good journeyman jockey, he's not bad but I don't see him being in the top 5 Jockies if he were riding in the east.


he has rode in the east and was never top 5

The Indomitable DrugS 03-14-2008 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
any list with robby albarado on it cant be a list you want to be on.

He has Stewart Elliot and Mario Pino in his top 10! ...Gomez a no-show...

And you complain about Albarado???

docicu3 03-14-2008 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
hes not even top 5

jv
edgar
kent
corny
julian

actually not even top 7

ramon
mario

actually not even top 10

jeremy
stew
corey

not even top 12

robby
calvin

When you wake up from your hangover I recommend you take 800 mgs Ibprofen and then go lie down, when you wake up again come back on the site and erase this top 10 and we all agree never ever to bring this up again...

docicu3 03-14-2008 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
He NEVER wins win I include his horse on my tickets.

I hope he gives Europe a shot this summer.

You know if he's healthy he'll be back at Toga trying to improve on his 21 wins last summer....

He'll come through for you one of these days...

Indian Charlie 03-14-2008 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
When you wake up from your hangover I recommend you take 800 mgs Ibprofen and then go lie down, when you wake up again come back on the site and erase this top 10 and we all agree never ever to bring this up again...

dude, you do know who you are talking to, right?

you're a doctor, can't you prescribe him something, like morphine?

better yet, can you prescribe the rest of the board morphine?

Kasept 03-14-2008 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
hes not even top 5

jv
edgar
kent
corny
julian

actually not even top 7

ramon
mario

actually not even top 10

jeremy
stew
corey

not even top 12

robby
calvin


While you've posted some outrageous, ridiculous things, this transcends all of them.

Indian Charlie 03-14-2008 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
While you've posted some outrageous, ridiculous things, this transcends all of them.

i dont know bout that.

i think that by the end of the triple crown trail, if you haven't banned him again by then, we should do a thread about the top 10 most ridiculous things that pg has said.

it's such a rich topic! my personal fave is the 9 for 9 at aqu one.

gosh, there are just so many things to choose from!

golfer 03-14-2008 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
When you wake up from your hangover I recommend you take 800 mgs Ibprofen and then go lie down, when you wake up again come back on the site and erase this top 10 and we all agree never ever to bring this up again...

Doc, you've got to add a few words in Latin, then charge him $350:p

zippyneedsawin 03-14-2008 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
While you've posted some outrageous, ridiculous things, this transcends all of them.

Bejarano has 'struggled' the past few years since 2004 when he won 455 races (in one year).. he's only averaging 260 per year since then while racing at some of the best tracks in the country... :rolleyes:

booner 03-14-2008 06:23 AM

I like Bejarano. Got to see him ride a ton when he first started here in Kentucky. Wished he would have stayed, but can't blame him for moving his tack and taking on new challenges. I am hoping the good meet he is having at Santa Anita is a stepping stone for "Banjo" to be included on the same list as the top jocks around the country.

CSC 03-14-2008 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i dont really even like him, but his past few years have been huge... but anyway i forgot a few

gomez
javier c
coa


Eibar Coa should be on that list, he's really a capable rider. All he needs is an agent of Anderson's talent to move him up significantly.

One guy I like who wouldn't be on many top 10 and even top 20 lists is Elvis Trujillo, mainly rides at Calder but from what I have seen of him he seems to have horses in position for the most. You have to like his winning ride in the BC 2007.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-14-2008 08:04 AM

here are the guys that win for me

fla now coa/ leszcano/ chop chop /jj c..PRADO TO SOME EXTENT{TAKES DAYS OFF}
n.o c lan /mena /patin
sa rasario /raffie/ SOLIS /GOMEZ

cowgirlintexas 03-14-2008 08:13 AM

Greatest rider or not, I just hope he is o.k and can ride again. Anyone heard how he is this morning?

Kasept 03-14-2008 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Eibar Coa should be on that list, he's really a capable rider. All he needs is an agent of Anderson's talent to move him up significantly..

He has one of the top guys in the game handling his book. In fact, his agent is as savvy a guy, on many fronts, as any you'll come across. Matt Muzikar.

jwkniska 03-14-2008 12:28 PM

Raffy's off all his mounts today.

deltagulf 03-14-2008 12:49 PM

so hes doing better. how about tomorrow will he ride.

Alan07 03-14-2008 01:18 PM

http://thoroughbredtimes.com/racing-...-hospital.aspx

sumitas 03-14-2008 02:34 PM

The horse wins or loses but I'd say Bejarano is at or near the top.

CSC 03-14-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
He has one of the top guys in the game handling his book. In fact, his agent is as savvy a guy, on many fronts, as any you'll come across. Matt Muzikar.

I'll take your word on that Steve, I just don't remember him being on any name horse as yet. You know in Bailey's book he said it was really Cigar that put him into a different level as a rider, as many will remember Mike Smith was the guy then and he originally had the mount on Cigar but passed it up for Devil's is Due. When Bailey took that mount the rest as they say is history.

I like Coa, I don't think it will be much longer when his name rises to the top. Pletcher is gradually straying away from Angel Cordero and JV as it seems Gomez is atleast getting some of the choice rides. Perhaps he will spread the wealth around in the not too distant future.

cakes44 03-14-2008 02:42 PM

JV is killing me in the "Road to the Roses". Riding #1 for Pletcher's 3-year-olds isn't very profitable for Velasquez this year.

IrishofNDMan 03-14-2008 03:11 PM

am I missing something or is PG1985 back on this forum under a different name?

SentToStud 03-14-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
am I missing something or is PG1985 back on this forum under a different name?

No, you missed nothing. Nothing gets by you.

alysheba4 03-14-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
When you wake up from your hangover I recommend you take 800 mgs Ibprofen and then go lie down, when you wake up again come back on the site and erase this top 10 and we all agree never ever to bring this up again...

..... really, thats the worst list ever posted .......

asudevil 03-14-2008 04:20 PM

Stewy Elliot
 
Laughable.....Bottom 10 is more appropriate


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