Remember This Statement By Crist
 

"...On the downside, none of his most talented opponents did much more than show up and run poorly. Tale of Ekati and Majestic Warrior were in a tough spot for their season debuts but neither showed a thing. J Be K couldn't even make the lead. That trio ran 6-7-8. Take them out of the race and Pyro was 1-5 against five badly overmatched opponents, none of them legitimate Derby contenders."-Steve Crist

I fully expect YANKEE BRAVO to make that statement look very stupid.This is a real racehorse,and when he gets a solid pace to chase,he is going to show you that.If Solis gets hurt before the Derby,then Bravo will have a good chance at taking it all.

Yankee Bravo stinks.

I was waiting to play a 40-1 at the Fairgrounds Sunday,and she opened up,and got caught very late by 1 horse.So,ignore me if you want,but if this horse makes it to the Derby,he will be a definite contender.That is a racehorse.That's a timid fossil riding him.Idiot winemaker was looking for a perfect trip coming off the rail at Fairgrounds (chasing a slow pace.) You better hope Solis keeps the mount,because the horse can run,and anybody but Solis has a shot winning the Derby on this horse.Most likely,that's going to be the 1st time the horse gets a real good pace to chase,and he is gunna roll late.You're the drug that the idiot HEE HAW drank before he got the Jake Walk.

I've seen a lot of low blows come my way - but comparing me with some hick on the Hee Haw show and Alex Solis is about as bad as it gets.

Yankee Bravo has run no race that even makes him remotely competitive with Proud Spell, let alone makes him an authentic Derby candidate.

All he has is good races on multiple surfaces,and with bad paces for him to chase(and a jock with no nerve left.)Solis has been making the parasitic wait for the perfect trip move(coming off the rail) since he got hurt at Del Mar.He stinks.If he's in the race,the horse gets top 4 with Solis up,and a chance to win it with anybody else up.

LoL on Solis. So I guess you're passing on the Jinetes "uncorking" ceremony at SA Scuds? I was hoping for a picture by the fountain.....wind in our hair, munching on some cheese. They purchased those grapes themselves I hope you know. :eek:

Off topic, Steve Crist? I know him as a HR writer, but recently came across the same name outside this sphere of influence. Is he by any chance the same Steve Crist that served as editor on some of Hunter S. Thompson's works? (Curse of Lono, etc...)

Fine,if you're so sure then give me 100-1 on him.Back it up....Easy money for ya.I'll send Byk $40 to hold.He seems to know ya.If he says you're good for the 4k ,then we're on.If he stinks,then don't be chickenshit.Just collect my $40.

Chicken.

I see your heart is set on giving me your money.

PM me, and maybe we can work something out.

Well,if you think he stinks,then you'd be happy to take the money.If he can't win,then just pick up my money.After all,you think he stinks.People on here don't like Scuds much.You'd be a hero to take $40 from me.I'm the one taking the chance he will get hurt before the race.You're taking zero chance,because you think he stinks.How can you lose?You just want to cover $27 at 100-1?

Not true. I am but one among the legion of Scuds fans.

Damn it,Stud.I thought sure you were gun give me 100-1..LOL....

He's probably holding out for 70/1 as well.

Now, why would you worry about the price of something you think can't happen? I am only looking for 100-1 because he could start limping soon as I make the bet.I'm not sure he will stay healthy enough to make the race,and I probably can't get Solis off him.Anybody with Alex Solis on them in the Derby is deserving of 100-1 right? He will get him stuck,and somebody will ride theirs perfectly. For this idiot to actually win a derby,I do think 100-1 (right now) is about right.The guy gets virgin tight in this race.It's been a disaster from Snowchief on in to now.Gunna take an overwhelming effort to overcome this idiot being up.Can't we all agree on this? The horse is badly handicapped.Chantal would probably have a better shot.

Here's what Haskins has to say about Yankee Bravo:


"Yankee Bravo, making his dirt debut, ran well enough late to get third, which will keep him firmly entrenched on the Derby trail. Still lightly raced with only four starts, and with a big closing kick, he is not one to be taken lightly."



http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44007

Why you do that to me Zippy? Dat was ruthless.

all i want to know is....is scuds calling steve christ big mouth, or himself?

I thought that would make you feel better. Do you feel insulted because you have a similar opinion as Haskins? :eek:

You sound like a fine gentleman from Joisey I know, he and his family owned a horse that ran a fairly competitve 2nd to Holy Bull in the Haskell.

Anyway, whenever I tell him a horse he thinks is really clever has no shot or is impossible - I always get the macho tough talk, followed by him asking for odds on a prop that is out of touch with reality from a fair market price standpoint.

I personally think Yankee Bravo has a less than 1% chance of winning the Derby. However, I would have said the same thing with horses like Charismatic (off of a 3rd place finish in the El Camino Real Derby) or War Emblem (off of a 5th place finish in either the Risen Star or Lousianna Derby) at or around 8 weeks remaining the years they won the Derby.

However, I can assure you both Charismatic and War Emblem were triple digit odds at any vegas future book.

Yankee Bravo closed at 41/1 in the pool 2 futures - and he's between 30/1 and 50/1 in Vegas future books.

Even though I think he's less than 1% to win the Derby, I want no part of risking 4K worth of liability to win a measly $40... even from you!...or guys like my Joisey friend.

However, if you want action that badly, you can always PM me and perhaps we could hammer out a price more in line with what a horse like Yankee Bravo might trade at in a betting exchange market.

As for Steve Crist being a big mouth - both he and his wife beat me at putt-putt and neither gloated about there victory. He didn't exactly strike me as a big talker.

i like you

Well,I guess I would qualify as a big mouth,but, in this case,I am referring to Crist.As far as I am concerned,anybody who says that BRAVO isn't a legit Derby contender is running their mouth.He has never run a bad race.Never had the pace to close into(like he will get in the derby.)He has had just 2 races to get used to dirt or synthetic in his face,and was interested in both.
After winning the Cal Derby Solis said he is still just a baby,and is gunna get better.The guy is totally misleading people by saying that he isn't a legit derby contender.He has an idiot riding him.So,he probably has a low chance of taking it all,but, if he makes the race,then that horse is going to contend to win that derby.He is a racehorse.

I fondly remember when you (under your PG'85 moniker) offered first Dunbar - than S2S a prop bet with you risking a $4K liability last year.

I only remember it so well because of the following .....

It was a sad day for all of us Italian Americans througout the land when you dropped your real name for all to see.

No,but now all the sudden the horse goes from "he stinks" to "got as much chance as Charasmatic or War Emblem."


Anyways,how is it Haskins says the horse shouldn't be overlooked,and Crist says the horse isn't a legit derby contender? I think Crist is so interested in trying to come up with negatives for Pyro that he just got sloppy.It seems like these guys are so biased against horses who win on synthetic that they make some asinine assumptions that those horses can't run on dirt.He can run on dirt.He doesn't like it in his face,but he was full of run on the backstretch.He wouldn't let him run.That's what these geniuses are missing on the video.He keeps holding back a loaded gun,and expecting to get his perfect trip inside to outside.He didn't get it.Horses don't spread out at the top of the stretch(like at Anita.)So,he gets the horse stuck behind Pyro and a wall of others(and takes dirt in his face most of the stretch.)I don't know how that's a ride.These people don't expect much from jocks. They are very tolerant of timid weak rides,and all I can say is there is no way in hell Bejarano doesn't get a top 2 with Bravo in the Louisiana Derby...THIS IDIOT COST HIM A 2ND.It was just a weak feminine ride by Solis.The guy is 43 going on 60.If he doesn't have by far the best horse,then good luck.The reason he has done well the last 3 or 4 weeks at Anita is because he is lazy n' timid,and the track has played very well for that style of riding.

who are you ? from albany ? i think i remember you from teletheater a few months back.
anyway at least i post my opinions, and yes i do have a new derby horse and i will be sticking to this one..... tagg's ef..... there it is

Yankee Bravo is currently listed at 6-1 in the Crown Royal American Turf future book at cannonshell.com. He is at 3-1 for the Derby in the "all other horses" category for the KY Derby. John Lackey is listed at an interesting 15-1 for 2008 Cy Young. Steve garvey is pegged at 1000000 to 1 for 2009 Hall of Fame induction.

That makes another member here with a poor opinion.

I thought Steve finished last?

He beat me....though only because you guys counted penalty strokes.

First, it's Haskin, not Haskins. (Sorry it's pet peeve of mine.) As to Crist and Haskin not seeing eye to eye on Yankee Bravo that is the name of the game. Betting on all racing would be pretty boring with out the difference of opinion. I don't see Crist as misleading anyone. He's writing his opinion of the colt, as is Haskin. (Of cours, I've rarely seen Haskin make any negative comments, so take tht with a grain of salt.) If Haskin still likes Bravo on Derby Day, I hope he gets his price.
I disagree that YB was "stuck" behind Pyro. He was behind Pyro but he couldn't keep up when Pyro went between horses. I don't watch Cali as much as I should so I wont speak to Solis' "typical" ride but I do agree that he should have been second here.

I'd much rather latch onto a horse like YB at a big number than stick with conventional wisdom horses like Pyro or War Pass, both of which have knocks. War Pass has trip/distance questions to answer and Pyro is likely going to be in what will seem to him like a whole different world when he sees the pace the Derby is likely to have.

Carry on, Scuds.

While obviously anyone that has made a definitive opinion two months before any race is out of his ( or her ) mind, I do always love the " I would much rather take a hopeless longshot than a defendable favorite " approach.

That's the attack of many public handicappers that don't actually bet their money....and the attack of many people that lose at the racetrack. Carry on Once Young.

I don't really get how you can use that as a big knock on Pyro in the same thought where you basically say Yankee Bravo is a viable horse at 40/1.

Pyro raced in 4th place, almost in the range of a stalking position in the La Derby.

YB, on the other hand, trailed the field in last and showed markedly less early speed than Pyro.

In fact, Yankee Bravo has run three times in America, on three different surfaces, and each time he trailed the field in last place early on. He's a much bigger danger to being outpaced than a horse like Pyro, who owns a triple digit figure at a one-turn mile distance.

Make no mistake - Pyro was just plain awful in the La Derby and I downgraded his chances. The 2nd place finisher in that race was two races removed from a workmanlike maiden claiming win with a 79 figure - and Proud Spell ran a few lengths faster in a race at the same distance with a very similar pace 30 minutes earlier.

If there aren't more viable horses than Yankee Bravo in the 40/1 range - maybe the four or five hyped horses right now are the ones you want.

I won't be betting anything short. Never do. And I'm not sure all the public handicappers wager all that much. Why would they if it's just another race to them. But it's their money so good luck to them whether they're betting $2 or $2,000. Thanks for the insight. I'll take it in the spirit it was offered.

I'm just curious, in the wild and unlikely chance that Yankee Bravo has no impact on this Derby, I know....it's improbable, will you be resurrecting this thread and saying " Oh geez, Mr. Crist was on target ( again ) and I was wrong " or will it be yet another preposterous stab that floats away in the carnage after the Derby?

You play the horses SCUDS, so I would assume that just like me you make many statements at the windows on a daily basis that one could label as " stupid " after the races have been run. Steve Crist is a horseplayer just like you and me. So, suddenly you have decided that he is somehow accountable for giving an opinion in a way that we aren't?

Hogwash.

Yankee Bravo has also never run a fast race and he couldn't catch my pal charlie, who broke his maiden in a $50k claiming race. At this point his best chance in the Derby is clunking up to hit the board like Jazil or Steppenwolfer.

I don't see how you can say Crist is misleading people. Its his opinion and if anything you should be happy that he doesn't like YB b/c you should get the juiciest of odds on YB on Derby day.

And I never thought I'd see the day when a son of Yankee Gentleman would be talked about as type of horse capable of grinding from 19th to 3rd in the Derby.

He, like Friends Lake, stands at Airdrie coincidentaly.

scuds i like you thought yankee bravo had a shot in the la derby.he seemed to be climbing a lot early and yes got a bit of a jerky ride late.he will have to show me at least 1 really good race on dirt.. pyro s la derby was not that good..and like drugs think hes not doing enough..downgradeing that race is the right choice....thus makes the fla derby very imprortant this year imo.