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NTamm1215 03-09-2008 07:01 PM

Circular Quay
 
Not that he really blew me or anyone else away with his win in the NO Handicap yesterday, but this horse has taken quite the beating on this board. Maybe and I mean MAYBE he could become an interesting addition to the very weak handicap division.

NT

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-09-2008 07:06 PM

One of many "good" horses that take a beating.....tough crowd here.

jcs11204 03-09-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
One of many "good" horses that take a beating.....tough crowd here.

when was he good ? as a 2 yr old ? once at 3 ? horrible rest of the year ? horrible 1st back this year also......

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-09-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
when was he good ? as a 2 yr old ? once at 3 ? horrible rest of the year ? horrible 1st back this year also......

heard his younger brother is "slow" too! :D

AeWingnut 03-09-2008 07:16 PM

I missed it.. who is his younger brother?

ddthetide 03-09-2008 07:16 PM

he's done enough for this year. let him run once a year at FG in the NOH.:rolleyes:

the_fat_man 03-09-2008 07:19 PM

Anyone with access to a headon replay fire it up and tell me what lead the RUNT was on on the backstretch (he was lefty going into the 1st turn).Maybe I can find an excuse for his trying to lay down in the stretch.

Otherwise he's still the RUNT to me.

When two gutless horses hook up in a stretch, it follows that you can't expect a positional change --though the RUNT did his best to refute this.

NTamm1215 03-09-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
when was he good ? as a 2 yr old ? once at 3 ? horrible rest of the year ? horrible 1st back this year also......

Yeah- he was horrible yesterday. It's good to know that you didn't lose the vast talent assessment skills you exhibited here last year. Thank God you're back.

NT

3kings 03-09-2008 07:20 PM

I don't have his PP's anymore but after early success is he becoming a Fairgrounds horse for course? My recollection is his only descent performances in over a year are at FG.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-09-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I missed it.. who is his younger brother?

Half bro, the one and only.....The Roundhouse!

jcs11204 03-09-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Yeah- he was horrible yesterday. It's good to know that you didn't lose the vast talent assessment skills you exhibited here last year. Thank God you're back.

NT

please dont respond if you dont know what your talking about.

HE CAME BACK THIS YEAR IN CALIFORNIA IN A SPRINT AND DID NOT RUN A LICK.........THAT WOULD BE FIRST BACK THIS YEAR. YOU CAN APOLOGIZE IF YOU WANT, I WILL ACCEPT IN ADVANCE

AeWingnut 03-09-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Half bro, the one and only.....The Roundhouse!

he got beat at Turfway for crying outloud

NTamm1215 03-09-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
please dont respond if you dont know what your talking about.

HE CAME BACK THIS YEAR IN CALIFORNIA IN A SPRINT AND DID NOT RUN A LICK.........THAT WOULD BE FIRST BACK THIS YEAR. YOU CAN APOLOGIZE IF YOU WANT, I WILL ACCEPT IN ADVANCE

I stand corrected. I completely forgot about the race in CA.

My mistake.

Congrats on being nice and smug about it though.

NT

ddthetide 03-09-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings
I don't have his PP's anymore but after early success is he becoming a Fairgrounds horse for course? My recollection is his only descent performances in over a year are at FG.

the race he won was almost a year to the day.

jcs11204 03-09-2008 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I stand corrected. I completely forgot about the race in CA.

My mistake.

Congrats on being nice and smug about it though.

NT

thanks, also it is mostly sarcasim out of me.... nothing that should affend anyone

NTamm1215 03-09-2008 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
thanks, also it is mostly sarcasim out of me.... nothing that should affend anyone

No affense taken.

NT

Coach Pants 03-09-2008 07:28 PM

I, for one, would be happy if Texas and Louisiana were the only states to have racing. Then the Racing Dispatch would be totally awesome.

NTamm1215 03-09-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I, for one, would be happy if Texas and Louisiana were the only states to have racing. Then the Racing Dispatch would be totally awesome.

You can have a free Racing Dispatch hat if you can find the last time anything was posted about Texas racing on the site. It's rather unremarkable.

NT

Coach Pants 03-09-2008 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
You can have a free Racing Dispatch hat if you can find the last time anything was posted about Texas racing on the site. It's rather unremarkable.

NT

http://www.racingdispatch.com/Handic...aturday_Night/

Send it to KYRIM. Size 9 5/8ths.

NTamm1215 03-09-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Will do, but I think I might be able to get ahold of a bandage Street Sense wore in the Tampa Derby. Will that work better?

NT

Coach Pants 03-09-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Will do, but I think I might be able to get ahold of a bandage Street Sense wore in the Tampa Derby. Will that work better?

NT

!!OOOOOOOOOO!!

Port Conway Lane 03-09-2008 07:38 PM

The horse was as good as most of the 2 yo's in that crop. Things didn't pan out in his five races last year and he's 1 for 2 this year, 1 for 1 after getting blinkers and didn't lag back to last place like he's done in almost every start of his career. I give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

Cajungator26 03-09-2008 07:45 PM

Thought he looked good yesterday and like others am a little concerned that he might be a 'horse for the course', but at this point, there's only one way to find out...

Not sure what race the fat man was watching, but CQ was on his right lead going down the backstretch. He switched exiting the final turn (I'm assuming he meant the final turn and not the first turn as he was SUPPOSED to be on his left lead around the first turn. ;) ) To say that those two were gutless yesterday is quite ridiculous. Both horses were very game.

NTamm1215 03-09-2008 07:50 PM

I guess maybe I just saw him as a bit mis-managed last year. While there was no problem with taking the Louisiana route to the Derby, the decision to go into the Ky Derby fresh was hard to understand. Then the decision to bring him back in the Preakness was tough to understand (although Hank Goldberg loved him in the Preakness). He was then put in the Va Derby and was actually sent off as the favorite. He is obviously not a turf horse so that race was a toss.

Ideally, is he still the same closing sprinter most thought he'd be at the beginning of 2007? Could be but yesterday's performance was solid.

NT

Cajungator26 03-09-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I guess maybe I just saw him as a bit mis-managed last year. While there was no problem with taking the Louisiana route to the Derby, the decision to go into the Ky Derby fresh was hard to understand. Then the decision to bring him back in the Preakness was tough to understand (although Hank Goldberg loved him in the Preakness). He was then put in the Va Derby and was actually sent off as the favorite. He is obviously not a turf horse so that race was a toss.

Ideally, is he still the same closing sprinter most thought he'd be at the beginning of 2007? Could be but yesterday's performance was solid.

NT

Apparently, he's holding his weight better now and has filled out a bit. He is a very small horse and from what I understand, had a hard time keeping weight on last year. If this problem has improved, it should probably help him a lot.

the_fat_man 03-09-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Not sure what race the fat man was watching, but CQ was on his right lead going down the backstretch. He switched exiting the final turn (I'm assuming he meant the final turn and not the first turn as he was SUPPOSED to be on his left lead around the first turn. ;) )

If you look at the run to the 1st turn again, you might just notice that while the others are righty, the RUNT is lefty. Of course, the horse would be lefty on the turn (though I've seen TWO exceptions in the past year). And there are times, believe it or not, that horses are LEFTY on the backstretch. Happens alot in turf sprints, for example.

So, assuming, if I were looking for an excuse, that the RUNT took the 1st turn lefty and REMAINED lefty on the backstretch and 2nd turn, I'd upgrade his performance (as he'd have run 3/4 of the race lefty).

Clearer?

paisjpq 03-09-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

:D :D :D :D

so close to a perfect 10.

Cajungator26 03-09-2008 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
If you look at the run to the 1st turn again, you might just notice that while the others are righty, the RUNT is lefty. Of course, the horse would be lefty on the turn (though I've seen TWO exceptions in the past year). And there are times, believe it or not, that horses are LEFTY on the backstretch. Happens alot in turf sprints, for example.

So, assuming, if I were looking for an excuse, that the RUNT took the 1st turn lefty and REMAINED lefty on the backstretch and 2nd turn, I'd upgrade his performance (as he'd have run 3/4 of the race lefty).

Clearer?

Of course some horses are going to be on their wrong lead entering the stretch, but they're not supposed to be, do you agree? CQ was not on his wrong lead down the backstretch yesterday. He was on his 'right' lead which is what he was supposed to be on. I'll have to watch the replay again to see what lead he was on breaking from the starting gate. To be honest, I didn't pay attention to that.

lemoncrush 03-09-2008 09:15 PM

Cq was a Grade 1 winner at the age of 2, a Grade 2 winner at the age of 3, and now a grade 2 winner at the age of 4. Not the worst resume in the world.

For having a bad stretch to end his 3-yo campaign, I was really impressed with how he ran yesterday with blinkers.
HE usually is completely disinterested in running until the end (if at all).
And I never thought he would go 1-1/8 and win.

CSC 03-09-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Not that he really blew me or anyone else away with his win in the NO Handicap yesterday, but this horse has taken quite the beating on this board. Maybe and I mean MAYBE he could become an interesting addition to the very weak handicap division.

NT

I thought he beat only a modest field of gr 2 horses yesterday, however the one positive thing he showed me yesterday was he wasn't miles out of it early on leaving him with less to do as he usually is too far out of it to make an impact in a race. If he can show that yesterday wasn't an abberation, he could be an improved horse this yr.

blackthroatedwind 03-09-2008 09:50 PM

I thought he ran a nice race yesterday. You could say he had a good trip, but unlike last year he was close to a slowish pace, and did what he had to. No reason he can't have a solid year. The more decent handicap horses the better.

CSC 03-09-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I thought he ran a nice race yesterday. You could say he had a good trip, but unlike last year he was close to a slowish pace, and did what he had to. No reason he can't have a solid year. The more decent handicap horses the better.

Agree more horses the better it is for racing.

Danzig 03-09-2008 10:25 PM

i thought it was a heck of a race, with drama from start to finish. no records set, no huge imposts, but a fine battle between two horses. they won't go down in history or anything, but it was fun to watch.

blackthroatedwind 03-09-2008 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i thought it was a heck of a race, with drama from start to finish. no records set, no huge imposts, but a fine battle between two horses. they won't go down in history or anything, but it was fun to watch.

It was a great stretch duel and a fun race.

Nobody is pretending these are superstars, but they're pretty good, and they put on a helluva show yesterday. May there be more throughout the year.

CSC 03-09-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i thought it was a heck of a race, with drama from start to finish. no records set, no huge imposts, but a fine battle between two horses. they won't go down in history or anything, but it was fun to watch.

Not to mention it was for 500K, not a bad payday for a race this early on. Forgot to mention can't remember if Circular Quay ever raced with blinkers on but he looked like a different horse yesterday.

Danzig 03-09-2008 10:41 PM

it was a nice payday, and he surprised me with his tenacity. i really didn't think he had it in him. so many former derby starters end up flopping, i wasn't sure what to expect. it was a nice surprise.

blackthroatedwind 03-09-2008 10:43 PM

I didn't think he wanted any part of 1 1/8 miles. In fact, I didn't think he was much horse at all.

Sometimes it's good to be wrong.

CSC 03-09-2008 11:08 PM

I thought he didn't want any part of John Velazquez or Mike Smith.

sumitas 03-10-2008 01:17 AM

I hope he hold together. 6 Native Dancers, 3 Raise A Natives can give some talent but also lots of problems.

jcs11204 03-10-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It was a great stretch duel and a fun race.

Nobody is pretending these are superstars, but they're pretty good, and they put on a helluva show yesterday. May there be more throughout the year.

i think they both could be superstars in this weak division...
no one knows if curlin will return from dubai the same horse, i think especially grasshopper could be great.


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