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jcs11204 03-08-2008 07:51 PM

Grasshopper ?
 
I have watched the replay a number of times now, and i think robby cost him the race.

he lets cq go, and he is sitting chilly on the rail, way over confident. i would love to see calvin back on this horse. actually the more i watch i am more disgusted with this ride then i am with gomez on indian blessing

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-08-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
I have watched the replay a number of times now, and i think robby cost him the race.

he lets cq go, and he is sitting chilly on the rail, way over confident. i would love to see calvin back on this horse. actually the more i watch i am more disgusted with this ride then i am with gomez on indian blessing

yes they have to run the race but cq wasnt exactly the one he was worried about.......

jcs11204 03-08-2008 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
yes they have to run the race but cq wasnt exactly the one he was worried about.......


??? who then ? gomez had tons on cq, but still grasshopper seemed to have more, and no one on here is talking about it. robby never asked untill cq went by, and even then it did not appear that he was riding as hard as he could

jcs11204 03-08-2008 08:14 PM

was the ride not as bad as i think ? or is everyone pumped up on the indian blessing thread ?

sumitas 03-08-2008 08:19 PM

When it came down to it, it was horse power vs. horse power.

outofthebox 03-08-2008 08:22 PM

Robby rode fine. Did he wait till the mid stretch to crack him, yea, but that is Robbies style. The race didnt shape up like he thought, he wanted a target to run at, and didnt get one. A good race by two decent colts...

jcs11204 03-08-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
When it came down to it, it was horse power vs. horse power.


so you think it was a good ride by robby ? i thought it was horrible.

Cannon Shell 03-08-2008 08:27 PM

Dude riders rarely win or lose races, except for CC Lopez

jcs11204 03-08-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Dude riders rarely win or lose races, except for CC Lopez


why did he not go to work when cq went past him ? why did he wait ? what was he waiting for ?

outofthebox 03-08-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
why did he not go to work when cq went past him ? why did he wait ? what was he waiting for ?

yo, you need to watch Robbie ride on a regular basis before you question his style or his tactics. That's how he rides...Get used to it.

westcoastinvader 03-08-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
why did he not go to work when cq went past him ? why did he wait ? what was he waiting for ?

I come back to my old Louisiana mantra.

Always be suspicious of anything in, of, or from Louisiana.

I'm kickin' my own arse for betting Grasshopper as the heavy chalk there today.

asudevil 03-08-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
I have watched the replay a number of times now, and i think robby cost him the race.

he lets cq go, and he is sitting chilly on the rail, way over confident. i would love to see calvin back on this horse. actually the more i watch i am more disgusted with this ride then i am with gomez on indian blessing

Watch it a few more times and then if nothing changes go see your optometrist. CQ was coming out of his fuc%$in skin on the backstretch. It was apparent that he was the one to beat. The blinks obviously focused him.

Here's what GG said:
"He was up in the bridle," said Garrett Gomez, who rode Circular Quay. "I was very surprised. I was happy, but at the same time, I wasn't liking where he was putting me between the five-eighths and the half-mile pole. I didn't want to let him go. I was hoping [Magna Graduate] would clear, then I was able to ease him out."

VOL JACK 03-08-2008 10:38 PM

MOTO here, but, I think the race would of had a different pace scenerio if Lanerie hadn't got dumped. Who knows may of set-up even more for CQ.

I think Robbie knew GH would come back on CQ when CQ made the lead, he just didn't plan on CQ having the last laugh. Nor did I, thought that GH had the little horse everyone loves to hate right where he wanted him.

Danzig 03-08-2008 10:40 PM

i agree. silver lord out of it changed the complexion of the race. regardless, a good race back for cq, and a heck of a run by both him and the second place finisher.

VOL JACK 03-08-2008 10:50 PM

It was skinda funny how the horse just stood there after CL fell off like a drunk cowboy. At least they will be able to run him back whenever, instead of him running off for 2 miles.

For anyone who wants to watch a funny reaction from a horse after the gates open, pull up Ma's Meatballs last race at Turfway on Jan. 9. :D

Danzig 03-08-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
It was skinda funny how the horse just stood there after CL fell off like a drunk cowboy. At least they will be able to run him back whenever, instead of him running off for 2 miles.

For anyone who wants to watch a funny reaction from a horse after the gates open, pull up Ma's Meatballs last race at Turfway on Jan. 9. :D

the whole thing was kind of strange. i watched the start several times trying to figure out what happened. just ducked a bit i guess. but yeah, luckily he just stopped.

miraja2 03-09-2008 08:57 AM

My feeling is that some people just don't want to admit that Grasshopper isn't particularly good.

JJP 03-09-2008 09:28 AM

This race was f-d up from the start. If Lanerie doesn't get tossed, Silver Lord likely is on an easy lead.

VOL JACK 03-09-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
My feeling is that some people just don't want to admit that Grasshopper isn't particularly good.

Who is GOOD in the HC division other than Curlin?

SOREHOOF 03-09-2008 09:35 AM

Heatseeker looks good on fake dirt.

SOREHOOF 03-09-2008 09:36 AM

Lava Man is coming back.

miraja2 03-09-2008 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
Lava Man is coming back.

I laughed.

TheSpyder 03-09-2008 09:45 AM

Watched the race. CQ was the best and fought back to win. If Grasshopper had enough, he had time to get up but didn't. Nice to see this horse hit his zone.

jcs11204 03-09-2008 09:15 PM

can either of these horses challenge curlin and commentator this year ?

i think grasshopper could be very very special.

dylbert 03-09-2008 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader
I come back to my old Louisiana mantra.

Always be suspicious of anything in, of, or from Louisiana.

I'm kickin' my own arse for betting Grasshopper as the heavy chalk there today.

Thanks for disparaging my home state of Louisiana! So, Grasshopper dueling in stretch and failing to win is cause for suspicion?

I have already described Grasshopper to another handicapping audience as "the Aaron Burr of duelers." I've seen him lose live twice -- yesterday, and in last year's edition of Super Derby at Louisiana Downs. Both losses as heavily bet favorite. Grasshopper gained acclaim for finishing second to Street Sense in 2007 Travers Stakes at Saratoga. So does your suspiciousness also extend to Empire State as well? :rolleyes:

Cannon Shell 03-09-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dylbert
Thanks for disparaging my home state of Louisiana! So, Grasshopper dueling in stretch and failing to win is cause for suspicion?

I have already described Grasshopper to another handicapping audience as "the Aaron Burr of duelers." I've seen him lose live twice -- yesterday, and in last year's edition of Super Derby at Louisiana Downs. Both losses as heavily bet favorite. Grasshopper gained acclaim for finishing second to Street Sense in 2007 Travers Stakes at Saratoga. So does your suspiciousness also extend to Empire State as well? :rolleyes:

The rare Aaron Burr reference. There are often....unusual...happenings in your state. I was warned about this many years ago by people from LA. But the food sure is good.

Danzig 03-09-2008 10:45 PM

but why is he the aaron burr of duelers? shouldn't he be alexander hamilton? aaron won that one!

dylbert 03-09-2008 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
but why is he the aaron burr of duelers? shouldn't he be alexander hamilton? aaron won that one!

Yes, he won the duel with Alexander Hamilton. However, he could never win "political duel" (aka the "big one") for offices he coveted - presidency of United States and governorship of New York.

Trying to mix political history and horse racing methaphorically is slippery slope. I may have bid and hung on this one! ;)

hi_im_god 03-09-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dylbert
Yes, he won the duel with Alexander Hamilton. However, he could never win "political duel" (aka the "big one") for offices he coveted - presidency of United States and governorship of New York.

Trying to mix political history and horse racing methaphorically is slippery slope. I may have bid and hung on this one! ;)

vice presidents and guns. when will they ever learn?

dylbert 03-09-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
vice presidents and guns. when will they ever learn?

Nice take on that, h-i-g... Mixing history, handguns, and horse racing just further proves educational value of this forum!

TheSpyder 03-10-2008 07:08 AM

Add a sign from God and you have an epic movie!


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