Top Ten 2008 3 year olds
 

In listening to the show tonight Mr. White gave his updated Top 10 list as follows... My question is Z fortune ran a decent 2nd to Pyro and also won the Lecomte so why he ranked 8th while Elysium Fields is ranked 5th? ...also what happened to The Roundhouse?
1. Pyro
2. Dennis of Cork
3. War Pass
4. Cool Coal Man
5. Elysium Fields
6. Colonel John
7. El Gato Malo
8. Z Fortune
9. Court Vision
10. Majestic Warrior

Mine are as follows
1. Pyro
2. Dennis of Cork
3. War Pass
4. Colonel John
5. Z Fortune
6. El Gato Malo
7. Cool Coal Man
8. Blackberry Road
9. Elysium Fields
10. Court Vision

I too am waiting for him to come back.

The Roundhouse is a closing sprinter like his brother. . .

Do you also eagerly await the arrival of cold sores?

Is this thread about top ten 3yos (as it says in the title) or about top ten Kentucky Derby hopefuls? Those are two very different questions that seem to get conflated this time of year.
At this point I don't see how War Pass could be considered anything other than the best 3yo running right now.
He might actually be the #1 Derby contender as well, but people could certainly make the case for others in that department.

That looks about right DaHoss. I would have moved Adriano into the top spot.....but other than that.......

You beat me to it... Monba is an absolute monster..

Come on, he's no worst than...say... Alaazo or many other three year olds. Anyways, his maiden breaker was impressive ;)

Yeah, his 72 Beyer fig certainly blew me away.

It was his style, not the figure I meant. I guess I have a thing for "fast closing" horses.

And, apparently, slow closing horses.

If you put Adriano in the top spot, could you still retain your post as president of the Giant Moon Fan Club?

Guess I should put my money elsewhere instead of this one, right?

Who the hell knows when, if ever, he's even going to run.

It was the "cold sore" comparison that changed my mind.

giant moon is better than you all give em credit for ..we will see after this weekend if you have moved him up into the top 10

I actually agree with you a little on this. I don't think he is one of the top ten Derby horses by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think he has a pretty decent chance to win the Gotham at least.
He certainly isn't great, but I don't think he is as bad as many on here seem to think.

What is wrong with War Pass? Has he peaked?

He's no Monba.

thank you, horse has never done a thing wrong, all he does is win, always moves forward, he should be on any and every top 10 list, i can see why not top 5, but 10 for sure

He sure has Spanky Fischbein's number.

Tremendous!!

definitely the laugh of the day!

Based on what? As I said earlier, I don't think he is terrible, and I do think he could win the Gotham, but what race of his can you point to as evidence that he is a real Kentucky Derby contender?
I can't think of any.

If Denis of Cork wins a triple crown race I am retiring from the game.

They're pretty much Affirmed and Alydar for the new millenium.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G37VZGLFxXA

taking a look at this public workout for War Pass.. I keep thinking.. "How much bigger than everyone else is War Pass"

I'm sure he looks bigger because he's a lot closer to the camera than everyone else in this race. I doubt he was breathing hard after this.

My top 2 are Barrier Reef and Roman Commander

I think there are only two horses that would appear on every single Top 10 list right now. That's the way this crop looks.

Maybe the better question is how many horses have looked as good as War Pass or Pyro? Other than their two performances, every other race has been a big ?

Exactly the way that I feel. There are about 25-30 interchangeable horses for the rest of the list.

you think the count fleet was a better field/race then the fountain of youth? or do you give a lot of weight to winning ny-bred restricted stakes? giant moon may turn out to be something, but i think he needs to wade into deeper waters and show something.

Giant Moon would have been trounced in the FOY.

Really? Based on what.....because you didn't like the FOY field going into the race? Because your jaw dropped when Giant Moon was able to overcome Spanky Fishbein in a stretch duel?

Honestly, I'm trying to get the logic. The Count Fleet field wasn't a better field than the FOY ( which Stevie Wonder could see by the way ) but you think Giant Moon, who had race dynamics in his favor, is better than what was in the FOY? Methinks you are sticking stubbornly to a mediocre preconceived notion about the FOY, one that you thought was justified by the incorrect original times, and are now refusing to acknowledge that the first two finishers ( at least ) ran a decent race. You so want to believe this that you are willing to pretend that a horse that has never run nearly as well as the first two in that race is actually a better horse.

Not a recipe for success at the racetrack. In fact, it's the opposite. We're all wrong a lot going into races....but those that refuse to acknowledge it after races are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Giant Moon is a nice horse. I don't think those that are buying into his confusing hype around here are really even that familiar with his pps.

Yup.

yeah i didn't get that logic either. the Count Fleet was not as good a field, yet Giant Moon is better than what ran in the FOY? huh?

If you're actually familiar with all of Giant Moon's races, and still think you have seen something special in him, then I really question your judgement. Was it the gold rail he rode to a narrow victory over Spanky Fishbein two back that caught your eye?

What exactly has Giant Moon shown that you think you have seen something to indicate that he is going to improve by leaps and bounds down the road?

IMO, Giant Moon has benefited from one good set-up after another and is a horse who is actually nowhere near as good as his undefeated record may look to novices. If anything, there is far more evidence that he will regress into relative obscurity than he will move forward to prominence. And, I say this actually hoping I am wrong, as I am a big fan of his trainer and would love to see him get some time in the spotlight and subsequently get the better stock that his supurb training skills warrant.

Curlin won by 17 lengths in a very fast time. Giant Moon beat Spanky Fishbein with the benefit of race dynamics working in his favor.

Nice analogy.

Saying Giant Moon is ahead of either Cool Coal Man or Elysium Fields on a Derby List is indefensible based on their on track performances. You can say it's " my opinion " and I will tell you unequivicably that it is a bad one.

Good luck.