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I'm down in Miami right now for the Fasig Tipton Two Year Old Sale. From what I've seen so far, it looks like some of the Lion Hearts and the Speightstowns can run. On the other hand, the Pleasantly Perfects don't look too good. Granted we're only dealing with a limited sample, but those are my impressions so far. With regard to the Pleasantly Perfects, I know they are bred to run long. I'm not concerned with their workout times. I'm concerned with the way they move. I've only seen a limited sample, but the PPs I've seen have not had a nice way of moving at all.

the PP yearlings I saw last fall were so enormous that I can't imagine they would have grown into their bodies enough to make a good showing at any 2YO sale.

Makes you extra excited for the Jazil yearlings to finally hit the races.

LOL....low blow.

I'm proud of my boys.

Looks like
 

some of the Chapel Royals are running nice times and selling okay also

And you know that horses don't really grow out of their way of moving. Can't wait to check out the previews. Thanks for the update, and good luck;)

Oh yeah, and congrats with WA and RBD today:) You were right about WA. We always knew the other one had a lot of potential. Glad to see Ron finally got him straight. He looks fantastic!

speightstowns looking and running great

Just went through all of the Lion Hearts and Speightstowns.

I've got updated video quality on my computer now, so it is just like watching the videos on the TV. I stream the videos onto a bearshare account now, and the quality is much better. So, I can actually see them very well without getting the preview videos from the sales now. Just so that you know that I can see exactly what I am looking at.

Rich, there is one Speightstown and one Lion Heart that blow the rest of the Speightstowns and Lion Hearts out of the water. You will know which two I am talking about. Nice, nice horses. So excited. Love two-year-olds in training sales.:)

The Smarty Jones look fair so far...

The PPs remind me of the Mineshafts from last year. Of course, I don't think people are hyping the PPs like they were the Mineshafts. There was that one Mineshaft filly from the Keeneland sale that was just awesome though. Otherwise, there weren't too many good Mineshafts at the sales. I don't think that a single other Mineshaft made my list or even got a maybe from the sales except for the Keeneland filly last year. Of course, like you said, it is a limited sample of the horses so far.

Don't forget Cool Coal Man.

He was from a two year olds in training sale?

Nevermind, he was. From Fasig Tipton Calder. Still would have to look it up though. I don't remember another Mineshaft making my list, but I could be wrong. I just know that they were over-hyped as were the Vindications as a whole because not too many of them could run out of the enormous amount of them entered in the two year olds in training sales. I will say that Cool Coal Man's purchase price could very well reflect his workout as he did not go cheap. Wait, he was a buy back...oooppps. I'll have to pull out the video of him and take a look at him again because I don't have my lists from last year anymore, so I couldn't really tell you anyway. I can only remember a Mineshaft from Keeneland having an awesome workout last year out of the Mineshafts entered in the two year olds in training sales.

Excuse me I'm not hip with all of this trivial nerd stuff.

He was in the Keeneland Fall '06 sale. I just don't get why you are comparing PP's first crop to Mineshaft's 2nd(?) crop. Of course you're possibly the most confusing person I've ever encountered on the internet.

Ok now I'm really confused. Oh well it's not like this trivial nonsense is going to make me one red cent. :rolleyes:

From...
http://jen-thoroughbreds.blogspot.com/2008/02/cool.html

"LaPenta bought (apparently, the listed buyer was Whitehorse Stables) Cool Coal Man for $200,000 as a yearling at Keeneland and then bought him back for $850,000 at the Fasig Tipton 2yo sale last year. He was entered in the Keeneland 2yo sale in April but withdrawn."

Obviously the Mineshafts don't move well and are possibly sore. :rolleyes:

Must be nice to eat 650k also

Looks like the risk was rewarded ten fold.

Mineshaft's first crop of two year olds was last year. Pleasantly Perfect's first crop of two year olds is this year. I'm comparing their first crops, in which there is a very limited sample of Pleasantly Perfects in two year old in training sales so far.

A lot of the Mineshafts don't move well at all. However, a few are really good.

I just don't understand how you can dismiss Mineshaft's crop when one of his babies just won a significant derby prep. It's just odd. It's like you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't dismiss the Mineshafts. I just said his babies were way overhyped during the two year old in training sales last year because most of the two year old Mineshafts in the sales were not that great. Everyone was talking about how wonderful the Mineshafts were in the two year old sales when I thought that the Harlan's Holdays in the two year old sales were much better. It doesn't mean that I don't think that Mineshaft won't have outstanding individuals. I already said that one of his fillies from a Keeneland sale was awesome. It just means that his babies overall did not deserve all the hype they were getting from based on most of the individuals that were entered in the two year olds in training sales last year.

Vindications in the two year old sales were also overhyped.

Please keep believing this and spread the word

Horses by PP and Mineshaft on average look entirely different. The only thing they have in common except for home is neither figures to have much early success

Also, actually, a lot of horses at the sales are sore. You can see how sore some are plain as day in their previews by the way they are moving or the way they act during their previews. Or you can go look at them the day after their previews to see which ones are lame or swollen.

What is this hype you speak of? You mean to tell me people who aren't trainers and owners get excited about yearlings?

That's just baffling to me. I equate it to a guy going to a pop warner football game his client's nephew is playing in because the kid could end up being in the nfl.

I know, I know. You plan on being an owner one day. Oh to be young again! To have dreams and aspirations!! Delusions of grandeur!! Vanity!! Oh how I miss those days. :mad:

But really that's like the guy at the pop warner game justifying his decision to attend because he might be his financial planner in the future when he's in the NFL.

See? I can be creative and dramatic too. Doesn't make it sane, however.

:confused: When did the conversation ever involve yearlings? I get excited about the two year olds for certain reasons...well, I can't say.

Well, I reckon if you are successful in life, and make enough money that you can be a race horse owner. I already own a horse (could sell him buy a racehorse, but I love him too much), and need to have a solid career before I invest in the racehorses. I could easily go into racing partnerships right now, but don't want to because I want to be able to make decisions over my investments.

Yearlings, two year olds, semantics. The point is that most of these horses are too rich for even a successful person to purchase. Do you plan on being so successful that you would have $200,000 to spend on one horse? Can you answer that with a yes and actually believe it?

And furthermore a high number of them don't even make it to the races, much less break their maidens. It's a horrible investment if you don't have at least eight figures in the bank.

Who says that I won't?

They remind me of each other because they were both route sires who produce a lot of just ok or bad-moving horses (jury still out on PP). I don't care how physically immature they are or how differently they are built. It still doesn't mean that they are going to move any better as they mature. I would actually like to see a horse that moves differently from their two year old year to their three year old year unless they are lame. Once a bad mover, always a bad mover. I will believe it from working with so many young horses over the years, and from watching so many horses grow and develop.

Showing Up moved the exact same way throughout his entire career that he did in his two year old in training sale video. Past the Point moves the exact same way that he did in his two year old in training sale video. Ron Bob and Dave moves the exact same way that he did in his two year old in training sale video. Rasierra moves the exact same way she did in her two year old in training sale video. Should I keep going because there are hundreds more....

(I stated this earlier) I will say that I have seen a really good Mineshaft, and possibly another one or two that I may have forgotten about from last year. I haven't been through all of the Mineshafts at Fasig Tipton Calder this year, but one of them is fairly nice of the ones that I have been through. The few Mineshafts at Fasig Tipton Calder this year are better than the Pleasantly Perfects that I have seen so far because the PPs are pretty bad. I was too quick to make the comparison, and went through a few more of the Pleasantly Perfects.

No one really talked about Empire Maker, and his babies at the sales were much better overall IMO than the Mineshafts last year. Will have to go through the sales this year to see if my opinion is still the same and if the sires are still producing the same quality horses.

I sure do. I always go to the yearling sales here and just sit there and watch it for a few hours, find it really fascinating.

Especially if I later see some of the horses I saw go through the ring on the racetrack.

And you do get to see a lot of them later on, which is a good thing. I like to follow them too. You learn a lot that way. I don't get to go to the yearling sales though, and often don't have time to watch them over the internet. One day I will though...

no sh*t huh? but who are you to argue with her kind of expertise?

as sad as it is entertaining.

I got to see about 2/3rds of last week's breezes, and one that looked nice to me was Hip 138, a Proud Citizen filly out of an American Chance mare. Richie mentioned Lion Heart and Speightstown, and there were colts by both that prospective buyers were talking about.. Hip 114 is Lion Heart via Deputy Minister mare VVS Flawless, and Hip 228 is the Speightstown from a Meadowlake mare.

And good luck today to Kenny Lejeune, who is training Aldebutante at Ocala. He has Hip 12, a Macho Uno filly named In the Evening, and Hip 95, an Officer filly, in the sale.

I hope you got an expert opinion before posting this info.

Am patiently awaiting the expert opinion... ;)

sadly, it will all be over your head.

LOL

It's ok to have aspirations but don't be delusional about your earning power...

..even if I jumped.