Bobby Knight resigns
 

http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/...146&CID=770106

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3230737

He has done enough

some would say too much...

I always liked the man...

IF you had a son , would you let him play ball for BK? i'll say i'm not a big BK fan but i would want my kid to play for him.

In a heartbeat.

I have never cared for some of his antics/behavior, but as a coach, not many better. Great teacher of the game who prepared his kids to succeed both on the court and more importantly off the court (Isiah being the exception ;) )

It was about time for him to throw
in the chair.

Over my dead body.
Not with your kid.

I absolutely agree. Not many bad apples that fell from that tree. Who wouldn't send their son there where you know he will learn to play basketball while graduating and becoming a man?

I don't know..I don't disagree with the results, but I'm not sure I'd want to subject my son to the journey getting there. There are a lot of coaches, both known and unknown, that can get the same results without the humiliation, berating and intimidation that BK can't avoid.

Learn how to hate basketball while
letting him butt fck you like a sheep.
Some kids need a drill sergeant to
tool them, some dont.

Great coach, horrible tactics.
Never ever did you ever hear this guy
say this is a beautiful game lets play
it the right way. He made it hell.

One of the best basketball minds
coupled with absolutely the worst
teaching methods. Except if you wanted
to produce a Spartan Warrior.

Complete enigma. A tragic Greek figure.
If you like Douglas McArthur or Patton,
he is your man. Basketball is not war.
And if a kid needs a game to teach him
to be a man try the Armed Forces.

That is all overstated by a few things that became public. I was a Bobby Knight hater until I read "A Season on the Brink" and realized how much he cares about those kids and how all of the "negative" stuff he does is truly for a positive reason. There are so many coaches out there in college basketball that will allow the kids to do whatever they want and aren't really there to coach them or to make them men. It is that combined with the same attitudes in the AAU programs that have led to the NBA becoming a virtually unwatchable brand of basketball.

I agree with you on that point 100%.

..and I don't doubt that he cares for his kids and it's his version of tough love

but, still not sure he'd by my choice as my son's coach, although I wouldn't say you were wrong if he was yours.

There..I have succesfully avoided taking a true side here

Things he has already admitted:
His temper required him to dominate
weaker personalities. In some cases
this is exactly what the kid needed.
But much of it had to do with his temper.
His need to be in complete control.

He was/is an incredibly charitable man.
He gave his complete salary back one
season when he thought he did a horrible
job. He helped out tons of kids financially
after they were out of school. He has a
good heart. He just cant control his ego/
temper.

It really is sad. I love the way his teams
play basketball. But I would never want
a kid of mine on his team. And I have a kid
who plays bball. And has played for demanding
coaches. But never would I send her to the
female equivalent of Knight. It is not worth it.

Is it possible that a dad, instead
of a coach, can act as a good father
figure and teach his son to become a
man. Why does one need a coach to do it?

Well I guess ultimately it would come down to what my son wanted. If he wanted to go play for Bobby Knight though I would have no problem giving him my support on that. If he wanted to go play for Jim Harrick we might have to have a long talk.

Holy sh*t...Patrick...I didn't know you had that language in you.

Cause the guy just frustrated the crud
out of me. He is so good, and so bad.

But the others are right. There are some
slimeball coaches like Harrick, that I would
be less inclined to see a kid with.

i remember when he interviewed for playboy, at one point telling the interviewer to get out of the car. definitely had a tremendously short fuse.

the end doesn't justify the means. i think you can win, and teach men to be men, without all the baggage.

bye bobby. congrats on the 900+ wins. enjoy your retirement.

I'd absolutely send my kid to Knight. Even if he didn't want to go, I might try to make him. This is of course if Coach K is out of the picture.

Why do so many people have
kids that need corporal punishment?
My Dad beat the hell out of me,
he did not need Knight to do it.

Bobby Knight may have done a few wrong things but he sure as hell never beat the hell out of any of his players.

I used to have the actual audio of this practice outburst and it was one of the funniest things I ever heard (edited for DT)

In a 1991 practice at Indiana, Knight lashed out at his team with the following tirade: "You don't wanna play, then I'm getting the f out of here. I mean, if you're not gonna cover Greg Graham; if you're just gonna let him drive by you; if the rest of you are gonna let him catch the ball outside the three second lane and drive all the way in here without one guy challenging him, then I'm leaving and you f'ing guys will run 'til you can't eat supper. Now I'm tired of this ****! I'm sick and fng tired of an 8-10 record! I'm fng tired of losing to Purdue! I'm not here to fk around this week! Now you may be, but I'm not! Now I'm gonna fg guarantee ya, that if we don't play up there Monday night, you aren't gonna believe the next four fcKng days! Now I am not here to get my ass beat on Monday. Now you better fkin' understand that right now. This is absolute fng bullshit! Now I'll fng run your ass right into the ground! I mean I'll fng run you, you'll think last night was a fng picnic! I had to sit around for a fng year with an 8-10 record in this fng league! And I mean you will not put me in that fng position again, or you will goddamn pay for it like you can't fng believe! Now you better get your head out of your ass!"[22]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yw7KijRfU-c

I just answered the original question. It was easy to do because I don't have a son and I have no chance of having one in the future.

One can be a good father and teach his son to become a man. Sometimes the job isn't complete by the time your son leaves your home to go to college at 18 years old. Maybe he has not quite become that man that you were trying to teach him to be, if so, it wouldn't hurt to hand him off to someone you know will watch out for him, make him do well in school (or not let him play) and truly care about his future while he is no longer in your home.

I grew up with tough love from my Dad and my life has been pretty good. As Hooves and I discussed in the past, the kids today (18-25 yrs old) that come into my place of work looking for a job are unbelievably lazy, have zero tolerance for any constructive criticism and want more more more without giving anything in return.

Bruce..many thanks...a true classic..

Even better
 

that's good..very good

but I like his speech better

Jack..lol

The old days were so much better when it came to ish talking.

Political correctness is so stupid. If he did that in 2008, the world would come to a crashing halt

He was the original BK Broiler

3 things you can count on from BK. kids go to class, graduate and learn to play basketball the proper way. i don't like the way BK has treated people away from basketball. ask anyone that has played for him and see if you can get any to speak bad of him. same for opposing coaches.

quiet as it's kept coach k is NO freaking saint!

Lot of familiarity and action of what I heard when I was in High School

Where's Tommy Lasorda when you need him?

The lionization of these characters cracks me up. Who cares?? If a kid can handle the abuse go play for him. If a kid can't...go play for someone else. It is all really pretty simple. HE has some tyrannical tendencies but did some good things with basketball teams. I prefer to give the credit of his graduation rate to his kids however...not him. My estimation is that you had to be a pretty think skinned kid/self-confident individual to go play for him and subject yourself to that type of abuse and that was the reason for their success...not coach Knight. If he somehow influenced them positively then great. He was simply another cog in their road to success...not the reason for it. I prefer to give each individual credit for his/her own success...not some deity in a sweater. To me there is something inherently wrong with everyone emphasizing how much his ex-players love him?? Why?? Why do we have to do that? Did Wooden's ex-players like him?? Smith's?? K's?? Driessell's??

He is what he is. And I don't really care. My main beef is what I stated earlier...I credit his kids for their own success...but every time a Knight coached team played...it was always all about him...and not the kids playing for him. And in the end, it's the kids who made him...not the other way around as everyone tells us it has to be that way.

The kids deserve some of the credit of course. Maybe a lot of it. But where Knight differs from a lot of coaches is that he recruits the kind of kids that have a certain character that he looks for rather than just be a basketball player. Take Bobby Cremins for example. This is not a knock against him but a reality. He took in guys like Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury with the total expectation and knowledge that they were looking to improve their stock and move on and would likely be moving on early. By contrast, there was Coach K and Baron Davis. Davis was one of, if not the top ranked point guard coming out of his high school class. Coach K didn't even recruit him because he felt that it was Baron's intention to leave early even before getting there and he felt that Baron's character, while not saying it was bad, wasn't the right fit for what Coach K wanted at Duke. That's how Knight was also. If it came down to a bad student or one of questionable character that was a great player and one that was just a good player but was a good person and student, Knight would go for the latter. For that, for not giving up on his principles just for the sake of trying to win more games, I think he does deserve a lot of credit.

I think it's also wrong to criticize him for things that the media does. To say that when his teams played, it was all about him is not something that's entirely his fault. Understand that the media has a lot to do with that. At the same time, when you have a coach that has been at one institution that long and has achieved the amount of success that he has, while players come and go every year, it's not surprising that a lot of the focus would be on him. He's the one constant. It's no different than Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno or Coach K or Dean Smith or Lute Olsen. It's the same in high school too. Look at Bobby Hurley, Sr. in New Jersey or Morgan Wooten at DeMatha. Eddie Robinson at Grambling. I could go on and on. I hear a lot of people suggest that horse racing should do more to promote the jockeys and the trainers instead of just the horses. The reasoning being that the horses come and go each year but the people are the constants.

In anything that takes teamwork, both parties deserve credit. A jockey can't win races if he never rides good horses. A pitcher can't win any games if his team can't score any runs for him. Tom Brady never had the kind of season he did until he got Randy Moss. So, I agree that the kids had something to do with Knight's success. But I think Knight had more to do with theirs. It's him that set up the system that works and brought in the right guys to form the type of group that could be successful.

I think that the reason we bring up how his ex-players feel about him is to illustrate that what everyone see's on the outside is not anywhere close to what is really going on. Those other coaches you mentioned, guys like Wooden, Smith, and Coach K, they don't have the same reputation as Knight for being an ******* so it's not a surprise to anyone that their former players loved them.

So he quits as coach to join the MEDIA?
Now an analyst for ESPN? Are you kidding...
He will probably be very good.
But he is a walking talking contradiction.
He hates the Media (call them whores etc..)
and now he takes a job
with ESPN... oh yes, he will reform them.

An egomanic.

I await George Bush to convert to Islam.

:rolleyes:

twin humpin...