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IrishofNDMan 02-01-2008 03:02 PM

Gasol A Laker!
 
Championship!

GBBob 02-01-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
Championship!

who did they give up?

Coach Pants 02-01-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
who did they give up?

Kwame Brown and Crittenden. A few draft picks between both teams.


A steal.

Mortimer 02-01-2008 03:13 PM

^^^ Now dressing as Laker elf.

IrishofNDMan 02-01-2008 03:15 PM

like Pillow said, Kwame "shouldb't be in the league" Brown, 19 yr old Crittendon, 1st round pick in 2008 and 2010, and the draft rights to Pau Gasol's brother Marc Gasol, who is playing in Spain and is a longshot to ever come to the states to play.

Lakers get Pau Gasol and a 2nd round draft pick. Damn good deal! Gasol will work into the triangle nicely.

GBBob 02-01-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Kwame Brown and Crittenden. A few draft picks between both teams.


A steal.

If the deal had been done two days ago, they might have got the Twins to throw in Santana

Scav 02-01-2008 03:46 PM

This is a pretty good trade for the Lakers....

Could the Lakers be starting to look like the Bulls (and i am not equating players to players here, but how they looked)

Jordan - Bryant
Pippen - Odom
Grant/Rodman/Kukoc - Walton/Ariza
BJ/Kerr - Fisher
Cartwright - Bynum/Gasol

The last one, Gasol-Cartwright is kind of a stretch but the others match up pretty well, as far as what they can do.

Cannon Shell 02-01-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
This is a pretty good trade for the Lakers....

Could the Lakers be starting to look like the Bulls (and i am not equating players to players here, but how they looked)

Jordan - Bryant
Pippen - Odom
Grant/Rodman/Kukoc - Walton/Ariza
BJ/Kerr - Fisher
Cartwright - Bynum/Gasol

The last one, Gasol-Cartwright is kind of a stretch but the others match up pretty well, as far as what they can do.

Do you actually watch basketball?

Scav 02-01-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Do you actually watch basketball?

Yes...READ what I wrote. The Bulls would SMOKE that team, but the skills of the players match up pretty close to those Bulls players.....Do I have to detail this for you?

SentToStud 02-01-2008 04:10 PM

No one would mistake Lamar Odom for Pippen. Brad Sellers or Orlando Woolridge, maybe.

whodey17 02-01-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
This is a pretty good trade for the Lakers....

Could the Lakers be starting to look like the Bulls (and i am not equating players to players here, but how they looked)

Jordan - Bryant
Pippen - Odom
Grant/Rodman/Kukoc - Walton/Ariza
BJ/Kerr - Fisher
Cartwright - Bynum/Gasol

The last one, Gasol-Cartwright is kind of a stretch but the others match up pretty well, as far as what they can do.

I have posted some dumb posts and I have read some dumb posts but this is by far the dumbest and worse thoughtout post I have ever read on here or anywhere else for that matter.

Bryant is nowhere near the talent level or Jordan--Odom is nowhere near Pippen--Walton and Ariza compared to Grant, Rodman and Kukoc--laughable and Cartwright was very underrrated as a big man in that Bulls system, Bynum has the looks of a big time player so I will say that that the last comparison of players is equal but may tilt towards Bynum and Gasol when it is all said and done.

Scav 02-01-2008 04:11 PM

Jordan and Bryant are the same player, except Jordan was better, quicker

Pippen and Oden are both slashers, both can hit the 3 and both rebound. Both can also control the ball. Good passers

Walton is probably the one far out there. But is solid from 18 in like Grant, can rebound, and hit the three once in a while, like Kukoc

Fisher is probably better then Kerr and BJ Armstrong. Both were good floor generals and leaders, all three find a way to get the ball into the studs hands, while all three hit clutch shots when needed

Cartwright was solid from about 10 in, and Bynum is getting there. Both rebound and can take up the others big.

Gasol is probably closer to Kukoc then Cartwright

Scav 02-01-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
I have posted some dumb posts and I have read some dumb posts but this is by far the dumbest and worse thoughtout post I have ever read on here or anywhere else for that matter.

READ WHAT I WROTE hilarious guy. it is obvious that the TALENT level on the Bulls was MUCH GREATER, but the players have the same TYPE of skills, and I JUST DETAILED it for ya

whodey17 02-01-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Jordan and Bryant are the same player, except Jordan was better, quicker

Pippen and Oden are both slashers, both can hit the 3 and both rebound. Both can also control the ball. Good passers

Walton is probably the one far out there. But is solid from 18 in like Grant, can rebound, and hit the three once in a while, like Kukoc

Fisher is probably better then Kerr and BJ Armstrong. Both were good floor generals and leaders, all three find a way to get the ball into the studs hands, while all three hit clutch shots when needed

Cartwright was solid from about 10 in, and Bynum is getting there. Both rebound and can take up the others big.

Gasol is probably closer to Kukoc then Cartwright

Did you just say that Jordan and Bryant are the same player, but Jordan was better and quicker!!! Good lord--you can do this with anyone. Lets see here......Paul Pierce and Jordan are the same player but Jordan was better and quicker....Melo and Pippen are the same player, but Pippen was better etc etc. This list can go on and on and on. Take any slasher in the NBA and you can compare their skill set with any other slasher. But when it comes to talent, the Lakers are no where near the level the Bulls were at.

Cannon Shell 02-01-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Yes...READ what I wrote. The Bulls would SMOKE that team, but the skills of the players match up pretty close to those Bulls players.....Do I have to detail this for you?

Odom vs. Pippen? Pippen is in or going to be in the HOF mostly as a great defender who had good transition skills. Odom rarely bothers with defense.

Kukoc should not be in the Grant/Rodman group as he was a totally different type of player than th other 2. Grant was a rebounder and post defender. Rodman was a rebounder and versitile defender to the extreme. Kukoc was a perimeter shooter who rarely played post defense and was a poor rebounder for his size. Walton is a match with Kukoc perhaps but isnt nearly the scorer he was though a better passer. Ariza is not compatable with any of these guys

Bj/Kerr combo vs Fischer is not too bad

Cartwright was an immobile, traditional center with a good touch and passable post defense. Bynum is an athletic, mobile type of modern center. Gasol is not really a center.

Jordan/Kobe is ok

2 out of 5?

whodey17 02-01-2008 04:22 PM

My favorite thing to watch when Rodman played was the way he guarded Shaq. Amazing that a 6'8 guy totally stopped Shaq. It was awesome.

Scav 02-01-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Did you just say that Jordan and Bryant are the same player, but Jordan was better and quicker!!! Good lord--you can do this with anyone. Lets see here......Paul Pierce and Jordan are the same player but Jordan was better and quicker....Melo and Pippen are the same player, but Pippen was better etc etc. This list can go on and on and on. Take any slasher in the NBA and you can compare their skill set with any other slasher. But when it comes to talent, the Lakers are no where near the level the Bulls were at.

Did you not see Michael Jordan play? Bryant has the EXACT same game as him. There is no difference in the type of game they play, on both sides of the court. Jordan was just better at him but not by much.

Paul Pierce to Jordan, OH MY, MELO to Jordan, OH MY.

Cannon Shell 02-01-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Did you not see Michael Jordan play? Bryant has the EXACT same game as him. There is no difference in the type of game they play, on both sides of the court. Jordan was just better at him but not by much.

Paul Pierce to Jordan, OH MY, MELO to Jordan, OH MY.

Except Jordan played defense on a regular basis whereas Kobe plays on occcasion.

Scav 02-01-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Odom vs. Pippen? Pippen is in or going to be in the HOF mostly as a great defender who had good transition skills. Odom rarely bothers with defense.

Kukoc should not be in the Grant/Rodman group as he was a totally different type of player than th other 2. Grant was a rebounder and post defender. Rodman was a rebounder and versitile defender to the extreme. Kukoc was a perimeter shooter who rarely played post defense and was a poor rebounder for his size. Walton is a match with Kukoc perhaps but isnt nearly the scorer he was though a better passer. Ariza is not compatable with any of these guys

Bj/Kerr combo vs Fischer is not too bad

Cartwright was an immobile, traditional center with a good touch and passable post defense. Bynum is an athletic, mobile type of modern center. Gasol is not really a center.

Jordan/Kobe is ok

2 out of 5?

Did you just say that Cartwright had good touch? Come on now....

I'll agree regarding the Grant/Rodman debate, but Walton is Kukoc

I am going to sit on the Pippen/Oden comparsion, I was never a fan of Pippen, thought he was a douche bag thus I probably devalue him, especially defensively

Scav 02-01-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Except Jordan played defense on a regular basis whereas Kobe plays on occcasion.

Kobe plays at two levels, the good level and the need a stop level. He also steps up defensively when he gets challenged like Jordan used to. I used to love watching him play D against Detroit and New York, he would just shut people down.

whodey17 02-01-2008 04:31 PM

Kobe is nowhere near the skill level of Jordan. Of course their skill set is going to be the same, THEY PLAY THE SAME POSTION - DUH. There are tons of players in the NBA with the same skill sets of Jordan and Kobe, but the talent is what makes the difference. Jordan made everyone around him better--Kobe hasnt not reached that point in his career and probably never will.

Scav 02-01-2008 04:31 PM

My one sports regret was not seeing Jordan more live. the only game I ever went to was in the 88-89 playoffs against the Knicks. And the old Stadium isn't like the UC where there isn't a bad seat in the joint, I was only 10, and couldn't see a damn thing.

whodey17 02-01-2008 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Did you just say that Cartwright had good touch? Come on now....

I'll agree regarding the Grant/Rodman debate, but Walton is Kukoc

I am going to sit on the Pippen/Oden comparsion, I was never a fan of Pippen, thought he was a douche bag thus I probably devalue him, especially defensively

Cartwright shot 52% from the field for his career and 77% from the free throw line for his career. Those numbers are pretty darn good.

whodey17 02-01-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
My one sports regret was not seeing Jordan more live. the only game I ever went to was in the 88-89 playoffs against the Knicks. And the old Stadium isn't like the UC where there isn't a bad seat in the joint, I was only 10, and couldn't see a damn thing.

I was lucky and had Pacers season tickets from 1985 to 2002 so I got to see Jordan many times. It was a real real treat.

Scav 02-01-2008 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Cartwright shot 52% from the field for his career and 77% from the free throw line for his career. Those numbers are pretty darn good.

HE WAS 7'2 and didn't have to jump to dunk because his knuckles dragged when he walked. 52% aint **** when you are that big.....

whodey17 02-01-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
HE WAS 7'2 and didn't have to jump to dunk because his knuckles dragged when he walked. 52% aint **** when you are that big.....

Oh good lord. You really have no clue do you. Wilt (The greatest center to ever play the game) shot 54% from the field in his career. Just because you are tall doesnt make it any easier.

Scav 02-01-2008 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Oh good lord. You really have no clue do you. Wilt (The greatest center to ever play the game) shot 54% from the field in his career. Just because you are tall doesnt make it any easier.

All Cartright did was block hook shots and dunks. Wilt had face up game, at least from what I have seen on ESPN Classic

Coach Pants 02-01-2008 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Lakers are 9-1 to win the championship this year. I might take them.

What site?

whodey17 02-01-2008 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
All Cartright did was block hook shots and dunks. Wilt had face up game, at least from what I have seen on ESPN Classic

Seriously, you really have no idea what you are talking about. Cartwright only avg 0.6 blocks a game. He has a great turn-around J and played entirely with his back to the basket. He would do the turn-around j or would face up his man.

whodey17 02-01-2008 05:15 PM

9-1 is not too bad at all. Phoenix and Dallas arent really playing all that well. The Spurs may not have it this year. New Orleans is the leader of the west--imagine that. So $20 on the Lakers at 9-1 might be a good bet.

whodey17 02-01-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm biased because I'm a fan, but if Bynum comes back playing like he was before he got hurt, I think they're the team to beat in the west.

I am really impressed with Bynum. No wonder they didnt want to give him up for Kidd. And I agree with you, if Bynum comes back healthy then they are the team to beat (in the west).

IrishofNDMan 02-01-2008 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm biased because I'm a fan, but if Bynum comes back playing like he was before he got hurt, I think they're the team to beat in the west.

Liking the Lakers is one thing we agree on. I can't remember, are you a Niners fan as well?

Anway, Lakers should be the favorite in the west now for sure.

Cannon Shell 02-01-2008 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Did you just say that Cartwright had good touch? Come on now....

I'll agree regarding the Grant/Rodman debate, but Walton is Kukoc

I am going to sit on the Pippen/Oden comparsion, I was never a fan of Pippen, thought he was a douche bag thus I probably devalue him, especially defensively

Cartwright was an excellent mid range shooter. That was his whole offensive game. He is like a black Ilgaukaus. Walton is not Kukoc. The only they have in common is that they are both white. Walton is a pass first player who plays a little d and tries to play a role. Kukoc was strictly a one dimensional shooter. Pippen may have been a douche bag but he was a tremendous defender.

Cannon Shell 02-01-2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Kobe is nowhere near the skill level of Jordan. Of course their skill set is going to be the same, THEY PLAY THE SAME POSTION - DUH. There are tons of players in the NBA with the same skill sets of Jordan and Kobe, but the talent is what makes the difference. Jordan made everyone around him better--Kobe hasnt not reached that point in his career and probably never will.

Kobe most certainly has a similar skill level as Jordan. Jordan made everyone better once the rest of the players were better. Funny how that works.

Cannon Shell 02-01-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
HE WAS 7'2 and didn't have to jump to dunk because his knuckles dragged when he walked. 52% aint **** when you are that big.....

He was not 7'2". He had a nice face up jumper from the baseline.

GBBob 02-01-2008 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He was not 7'2". He had a nice face up jumper from the baseline.

He's no Bob McAdoo

Scav 02-01-2008 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He was not 7'2". He had a nice face up jumper from the baseline.

How would he have a fade away, HE NEVER LEFT HIS FEET.

Now I have a mean fade away.


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