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Kasept 01-30-2008 06:01 PM

2/2: AQU-Whirlaway; TP-WEBN Frog
 
8th (3:49) Whirlaway S.

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Roman Emperor Rose J 118 L
2 Barrier Reef Garcia Alan 116 L
3 Cave's Valley Pino M G 122 L
4 Apple Special Castillo O O 120 L
5 Texas Wildcatter Arroyo N Jr 118 L
6 Sonic Boom Cedeno C 118 L
7 Spanky Fischbein Elliott S 116 L




Turfway 11th (5:45) WEBN S.

1 Mile (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Mr. Harry Troilo W D 117 L
2 Gregory's Trick De La Cruz F 117 LA
3 Hot Chili Thorwarth J O 121 LA
4 Best Buddy Sarvis D A 117 L
5 Socks Pompell T L 115 L
6 Texas Fever Prescott R 121 L
7 U. S. Cavalry Mojica O 121 LA
8 Cape Hatteras Felix J E 115 LA
9 Your Round Lebron V 117 L
10 Dixie Decision Canchano A 117 LA
11 Big Glen Lopez J 117 L
12 Laramie Woods Rosario H L Jr 117 Blk-On LA
AE Targe McKee J 117 LA

The Indomitable DrugS 01-30-2008 06:15 PM

Anyone else feel nostalgic for that great running of the '02 WEBN Frog - which featured a battle between future millionaires Request For Parole and Perfect Drift?

Probably not.

There should be a law against posting the entires of a $50K stake race run over a synthetic.... valuable bandwith is being wasted.

Cannon Shell 01-30-2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Turfway 11th (5:45) WEBN S.

1 Mile (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Mr. Harry Troilo W D 117 L
2 Gregory's Trick De La Cruz F 117 LA
3 Hot Chili Thorwarth J O 121 LA
4 Best Buddy Sarvis D A 117 L
5 Socks Pompell T L 115 L
6 Texas Fever Prescott R 121 L
7 U. S. Cavalry Mojica O 121 LA
8 Cape Hatteras Felix J E 115 LA
9 Your Round Lebron V 117 L
10 Dixie Decision Canchano A 117 LA
11 Big Glen Lopez J 117 L
12 Laramie Woods Rosario H L Jr 117 Blk-On LA
AE Targe McKee J 117 LA

I cant believe someone named a horse after Socks

otisotisotis 01-30-2008 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Anyone else feel nostalgic for that great running of the '02 WEBN Frog - which featured a battle between future millionaires Request For Parole and Perfect Drift?

Probably not.

There should be a law against posting the entires of a $50K stake race run over a synthetic.... valuable bandwith is being wasted.

I ask you sir, is this not the greatest prep for the Battaglia Memorial Stakes?:D

AeWingnut 01-30-2008 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I cant believe someone named a horse after Socks

does Socks know about this?

Monarchos1 01-30-2008 07:34 PM

Sadly, Frog was dropped from this race's moniker a year or two ago.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-30-2008 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otisotisotis
I ask you sir, is this not the greatest prep for the Battaglia Memorial Stakes?:D

It sure is one of the great stepping stones on the road to the Jim Beam Stakes/GalleryFurniture.com Stakes/Sprial Stakes/Lane's End Stakes/Whatever they are calling it now Stakes

Coach Pants 01-30-2008 07:42 PM

I keep waiting for a jockey's decapitation due to the kickback at TP. It's ridiculous.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-30-2008 08:39 PM

us cav and big glenn

Kasept 01-30-2008 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monarchos1
Sadly, Frog was dropped from this race's moniker a year or two ago.

Still the WEBN Frog in the hearts and minds of those of us who have ever attended Riverfest or Oktoberfest... drank in the Courtyard at Arnold's... danced to the Warsaw Falcons at Corey's or Dollar Bills... had ice cream at Aglamesis... :)

Cajungator26 01-30-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I cant believe someone named a horse after Socks

So now Druggie has TWO socks? Oy vey.

pmayjr 01-31-2008 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Still the WEBN Frog in the hearts and minds of those of us who have ever attended Riverfest or Oktoberfest... drank in the Courtyard at Arnold's... danced to the Warsaw Falcons at Corey's or Dollar Bills... had ice cream at Aglamesis... :)

Or if watched the race go as you're sitting on the runway at Cincy airport waiting for your plane to take off lol.

jballscalls 01-31-2008 07:51 AM

I'll root for the 1 and hope Billy Troilo wins.

ManilaRose 01-31-2008 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Anyone else feel nostalgic for that great running of the '02 WEBN Frog - which featured a battle between future millionaires Request For Parole and Perfect Drift?

Probably not.

There should be a law against posting the entires of a $50K stake race run over a synthetic.... valuable bandwith is being wasted.

My friends and I joke about that race all the time. I said it's "The Greatest 50k Stakes Ever Run". Not sure if that's true or not, but three future graded stakes winners came out of it and each of the three ran in seperate Breeder's Cup races as well. Perfect Drift in the Classic, Request For Parole in the Turf and Private Horde in the Sprint.

cakes44 01-31-2008 11:40 AM

Felix is the worst jockey on the planet, bar none.

Kasept 01-31-2008 01:03 PM

2/2 (AQU): Whirlaway S.
 
8th (3:49) Whirlaway S.

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Roman Emperor Rose J 118 L
2 Barrier Reef Garcia Alan 116 L
3 Cave's Valley Pino M G 122 L
4 Apple Special Castillo O O 120 L
5 Texas Wildcatter Arroyo N Jr 118 L
6 Sonic Boom Cedeno C 118 L
7 Spanky Fischbein Elliott S 116 L

blackthroatedwind 01-31-2008 01:07 PM

They should advertise it as " Coming soon, to a track near you, a bunch of $50K claimers. "


Except, of course, Barrier Reef.

NTamm1215 01-31-2008 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
They should advertise it as " Coming soon, to a track near you, a bunch of $50K claimers. "


Except, of course, Barrier Reef.

I don't know how sarcastic you're being but I don't see Cave's Valley or Roman Emperor as 50k claimers. The opportunistic Spanky Fischbein who will most likely be exposed on Saturday could be headed for a tag.

I really liked Barrier Reef in the Count Fleet and while he gave up a bunch of ground to the place and show runners I'm skeptical of just how good he really is.

NT

blackthroatedwind 01-31-2008 04:35 PM

He needs to settle in the back and make one run. I may have been wrong about him, and he may be mediocre, but I would like to take one more chance.

There seems to be ample pace in here and hopefully the track will be reasonably fair.

Spanky Fishburn is a NY Bred, which may spare him from claiming races, but I will withhold judgement on the others.

philcski 01-31-2008 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
They should advertise it as " Coming soon, to a track near you, a bunch of $50K claimers. "


Except, of course, Barrier Reef.

$50k may be kind for the 4,5, and 6 post.

fpsoxfan 01-31-2008 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
They should advertise it as " Coming soon, to a track near you, a bunch of $50K claimers. "


Except, of course, Barrier Reef.


I agree, but at this point, shouldn't we be rolling out the welcome mat for 50K
claimers?

miraja2 01-31-2008 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He needs to settle in the back and make one run. I may have been wrong about him, and he may be mediocre, but I would like to take one more chance.

I still don't see what it is that you (and others) see in Barrier Reef. I didn't understand it before the Count Fleet, and I certainly don't understand it after that race. To me he seems very likely to be headed to those $50,000 claiming races you mentioned earlier, and I don't give him much of a chance here at all.

blackthroatedwind 01-31-2008 07:13 PM

I've been wrong before....often in fact.

We'll see. I haven't even finished looking at the race.

NTamm1215 01-31-2008 07:31 PM

Personally I like Cave's Valley. Hate to be Captain Obvious as I'm certain he'll be the favorite but the Delta Jackpot was a very strong race and the amount of ground he gave up during the first seven furlongs of the race went a long way towards contributing to his disastrous finish. While the Delaware figures certainly have to be heavily scrutinized it does seem like he's run fast enough to win a race like this. The pace scenario just may set up OK because if Pino lets Spanky go and tries to stalk we could see a repeat of the Count Fleet with Cave's Valley taking on the Giant Moon role.

The problem that I have with Barrier Reef was that while his maiden win was undeniably impressive it seems like he ran the same caliber race again in the Count Fleet and was soundly beaten. He probably should be in an n1x since that condition is still available to him but again he is in a stakes race. He has talent, that's undeniable, but he has to move forward.

Just my $.02.

NT

Bobby Fischer 01-31-2008 08:07 PM

i don't know that barrier reef wants to stretch out. 8.5 isn't exactly a marathon, but some of those types are closing sprinters.

Spanky Spanky Spanky lol

There are several others in here in here who have an ounce of potential, hopefully one or more do SOMETHING

Hickory Hill Hoff 02-01-2008 06:17 AM

I see Targe is the last AE, that's the one we lost in the shake...right?

Kasept 02-01-2008 09:54 AM

From Litfin's piece on the 'Curse of the Whirlaway'...

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=91988

Some might say the Whirlaway is cursed. Going back to the turn of the millennium, Whirlaway winners have either succumbed to injury or free-fallen into obscurity. The roll call:

Country Only (2000): Three years later, he was good enough to win a $50,000 claimer on Aqueduct's inner dirt at the age of 6. He was winless in six starts the following year, and ended his career finishing last of 10 for a $5,000 tag at Charles Town.

Regal Shivers (2001): He managed to win 2 of 15 starts during the next two years - a $10,000 claimer at Mountaineer Park at 4, and a $5,000 claimer at Turfway at 5.

Saratoga Blues (2002): As a 5-year-old, he was off the board in all five of his starts, beaten a combined 111 lengths in $3,500 starter allowance races on the West Virginia circuit.

Boston Park (2003): He managed to win one of seven post-Whirlaway starts, taking a third-level allowance on a sloppy inner track the following winter at 29-1. Five of his six losses were by 12 lengths or more. His last race was as a March 4-year-old.

Little Matth Man (2004): He apparently angered the spelling gods, because he was winless in 14 starts during 2006-07, including a 15-length beating against basement $7,500 claimers at Aqueduct, and a 17-length thrashing for $3,500 at Penn National.

Sort It Out (2005): In a well-timed move, his connections sold a major interest immediately after his Whirlaway win. The New York-bred never won again. Given over to Bob Baffert, he was trounced in the Louisiana Derby in his next start, and lost 11 more times before being retired.

Achilles of Troy (2006): Looked like the second coming of Unbridled's Song after winning the Count Fleet by 14 lengths to earn a Beyer of 105, and the Whirlaway by nearly five lengths with a 104. A month later, however, he was vanned off the track after running fifth as the 3-2 favorite in the Gotham, and never ran again.

Summer Doldrums (2007): His stakes-record time of 1:42.23 for the 1 1/16-mile Whirlaway initially received a figure of 106, which soon afterward was adjusted down to a 94. Though he ran third in the Gotham at even money next time out, his win in the Grade 3 Colonial Turf Cup in June makes him the most accomplished Whirlaway winner of recent times.

Alan07 02-01-2008 10:41 AM

Targe is scratched

A-Coupled: Targe (SCR) and U. S. Cavalry
Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta

Mike 02-01-2008 05:20 PM

The only wager for me on the card is Texas Wildcatter in the feature

tiznowthegreat 02-01-2008 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not sure what his odds will be, but Your Round has some ability and might be worth a bet if the price is right. He ran sneaky good in the Summer at Woodbine and in his next start at Keeneland. He had a nightmare trip late in the Breeders Cup and ran another sneaky good race last time at Churchill. I'm not as enamored witht the winner of that race as some, but Your Round has some ability and should be tough.

Have been waiting awhile for Your Round to come back. I thought the allowance race at CD was a key race moving forward for these young horses. I bet Mach Again heavy and paid the price for it. I'm not convinced though that there wasn't deep quality and Your Round was extremely wide around the turn and still beat Silver Edition and Jedi Code while running a close third to Monba. Will bet him heavy in P4's and P3's.

pmacdaddy 02-02-2008 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
They should advertise it as " Coming soon, to a track near you, a bunch of $50K claimers. "


Except, of course, Barrier Reef.

Good call on Barrier Reef! That was quite the stretch run. I cashed nice Win bet and have some good life in DD's. Could not piece the pick4 together however...

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2008 02:59 PM

Thanks. That was nice.

The Pick-4 was VERY tough. I didn't even play. And I definitely wouldn't be alive if I did.

justindew 02-02-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The Pick-4 was VERY tough. I didn't even play. And I definitely wouldn't be alive if I did.

Because of suicide or an angry bookie?

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2008 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Because of suicide or an angry bookie?

Right now I'm a little more disappointed because I bet Fast Iz A Turtle who just ran second at 62-1.

pmacdaddy 02-02-2008 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Right now I'm a little more disappointed because I bet Fast Iz A Turtle who just ran second at 62-1.

Damn, I had DD with Strummer. Surprised it paid $128 on $2. Wish a played and Exacta withthe Turtle. Have to admit had him as an "X"....

miraja2 02-02-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
I still don't see what it is that you (and others) see in Barrier Reef. I didn't understand it before the Count Fleet, and I certainly don't understand it after that race. To me he seems very likely to be headed to those $50,000 claiming races you mentioned earlier, and I don't give him much of a chance here at all.

Wait, what I meant was.......

Dunbar 02-02-2008 04:58 PM

5-1, very nice call on Barrier Reef, btWind.

--Dunbar

Danzig 02-02-2008 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Right now I'm a little more disappointed because I bet Fast Iz A Turtle who just ran second at 62-1.

so, suicide then??

Danzig 02-02-2008 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
Wait, what I meant was.......

lol

you've been hanging around with my son, eh? one of his favorite sayings...


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