Curlin and Pyro
 

They worked in tandem this morning and, according to bloodhorse, only noses apart at the finish line. The 6 furlongs was timed in 1:13 (link below). My question is this, does working with Curlin help Pyro or does it make no difference at all? I could only think that working with a horse like Curlin could only help a 3 year old like Pyro. What are your thoughts (if any)?
http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43412

I could see this being an alltime long thread over at PA. Wow, Pyro working with the big horse. Imagine the possibilities.

I was thinking along the lines of someone playing a game of ping pong or basketball with someone better that you and you get better by practicing with better talent. Does that make sense?

I don't see how it would help Pyro. If it would have any effect, it would be detrimental to Curlin if he's the type to run down to his competition. Running with a rat like Pyro won't help.

gotcha.

That makes sense but I don't think it applies much in horse racing.

I laughed quite a bit at this. I just couldnt come up with a reaction.

My record? Tell me what this record is and then tell me how it compares to your record? I'd bet that we are pretty much close to the same when it comes to analyzing talent. I'd bet that pretty much everyone on here is close to the same.

Forgetting for a minute about how utterly ridiculous your record is....

DaHoss hit four Pick-4s over the last two weeks....one paid $4400 for $1, one paid $2500 for $2 ( he had it multiple times ), one paid $2K for $2 ( he had it multiple times ) and sadly he only had the last one for $1.....which was still worth $5500 for his measly dollar.

So because I don't feel the need to post all of my wagers (winners and losers alike) means that I have no success at it or less than someone else? Ok. But DaHoss' comments weren't about wagering success. It was about analyzing talent. I ask again to tell me what my record is that is so bad and tell me what about other people's records is so good? We all see some horses and think they'll be good and they turn out bad. Or some we think will be bad that turn out good. Before DaHoss wants to tell me how bad my record is, tell me how good his is. That's all I ask.

DaHoss has one of the better opinions around.

Your opinion is outrageous and rarely right. You're enthusiastic and enjoyable to banter with but my experience is that you are virtually never right.

I have watched DaHoss have one outstanding opinion after another over the last year, many of which resulted in agonizingly tough beats, and recently he seemed to recover from all his random bad luck in the blink of an eye. I would back his opinion over anyone else's on this board.

We're bettors. We play every day. DaHoss knows his stuff. Of that I have absolutely no doubt.

My only problem with posting records like this is, nice predictions, but did you put your $$$ where your predictions were? Did DaHoss actually make the wagers on those predicitions? I hope so, but just sayin... I remember Byk giving priase to GPK for predicting a big pick 6 at Tampa last winter. But then I asked the same question- "Kev, did you actually bet your predictions?", He said "No". That sucks. I mean I want people to get paid, but just sayin, make the wager too.

You can argue that they posted those predictions before the races were run, so what's the difference? Well depending on the size and cost of the ticket, you don't know if people would actually the same way they'd predict.

IN THE END THOUGH, I FIGURE MOST OF US FROM A WAGERING AND ANALYZATION STANDPOINT ARE PRETTY EQUAL. WE ALL HAVE GOOD AND BAD DAYS. I prefer opinions about horses that haven't been wagered on, because I'd call a good horse "a pig" if I bet on it and didn't run well. But the great thing (and bad thing) about horse racing, is on one race you can look like a genious, and the next an idiot.

Maybe Asmussen ought to see if Baffert will let him work with Indian Blessing next week when she comes into NOLA. Will that help?

NT

Pmayjr
 

I am only interested in what people actually bet and don't use the word " hit " unless somebody bet and cashed.

Hossy MADE those wagers.. He just choses not to publicize his plays whether successful or unsuccessful. And obviously, he's under no obligation to do so. The point was made above that the 'what's your record' challenges during discussions of opinion are utterly pointless.

Oh, I disagree with all of this in many ways.

Perhaps many here do have similar opinions, but there are some who's understanding of the game stands above the masses, and those are the ones I am more interested in hearing.

I respect pretty much only the opinions of those who bet their money, as if you don't suffer as a result of bad opinions, you will never learn to modify and improve your opinion. For that very reason, most opinions seen here are random and inconsequential, because there is no punishment for being wrong. Maybe you call a losing horse a " pig " but those of us who are playing seriously actually try to determine if we made a mistake, so as not to repeat it in the future, or if circumstance perhaps prevented a decent opinion from coming to fruition. A successful player will make more correct evaluations than an unsuccessful one over time.

Looking like a genius is wonderful for your ego....but making money is what playing this game is all about. At the end of the day that is what really matters.

bingo........

Uh..

I'm still the best handicapper evar....


right guys?

You need only look at your own Signature - and who you rank as the best horse to race in the last 22 years as a start....

Aint this the f'n truth.......

Working with Rags to Riches didn't do much for Circular Quay last year.

Good point.

I thought I made some decent points, but after you dissected them like a wife, girlfriend, a cop, or a cross-examining attorney, and chewed them up, I agree with you. I hope I at least made it clear that I wasn't rooting against Hoss or anyone else that they didn't make those bets. I'm glad they did. I'm rooting for anyone on here to be successful and get paid.

About the part about looking like a genius, I'm saying that people are successful sniffing out winners, longshots, whatever that makes them successful. But in another race they might not even give the winner serious consideration, while someone else was touting the winner all along. You just hope that you're successful in the long-run and learn from your mistakes. So I completely agree with you there.

Wow, that was some foursome you compared me to. Ass hole would have sufficed....and been much kinder.

I didn't think you were rooting against DaHoss or anyone.

I apologize. That was a little harsh. I haven't been to the track since Sunday, and in between I've been spending time with the opposite sex and watching a lot of Law and Order on TNT. They had a friggin marathon on Monday. So I've been a little negatively influenced.

Hmmm.

It was really the lawyer comparison that did it for me.

Please refrain from bringing up Dale Baird.

For the record, I wasn't even saying DaHoss has a bad record. I don't know his record at all. We all pick some good ones and we all pick some bad ones. Constructing a winning ticket though is far different, IMO, than analyzing talent. There have been plenty of times where I have not liked a horse to win a race but have played him on my ticket because I didn't want that logical horse to be the one that kept me from cashing. I would collect on the winning bet even though I had totally analyzed the race wrong. That just made me a better bettor, not a better analyzer of talent.

In a thread about Steve Asmussen's runners and dick measuring? Absolutely not.

huh........you siad ..mine king.. is no worse than hosses

LOL! I swear I wasn't trying to instigate in any of these replies, but the replies I've gotten to my posts are ****en classic. It's becoming very tempting to say some crazy-ass'd Skip Bayless **** just to evoke reaction... Actually, I swear to never be as retarded as that guy (leaving myself open for Bayless comparisioons... plkease once again refrain lol).

I hope they were the episodes when Ben Stone was still around.

No, but you started this thread into a downword spiral by calling Pyro "a rat."

While Pyro is FAR from a true superstar - he is the current future book favorite for the Kentucky Derby - and every race of his career so far has been fairly solid.

DaHoss simply called you on your silly attention grabbing comment.

And also no better. Here is what I said:

I said that pretty much everyone on here is close to the same. Nowhere did I put him down or offend him. There's no need for that. I don't know his record at all nor do I remember anyone's record but I know that over time, things pretty much even out and we all fall pretty much in the same area.

That's the guy before Jack McCoy right? He wasn't bad...

I may not agree with King Glorious's opinions but he's a far cry for a cheap shot artist. He's nuts....but he's very kind and thoughtful.