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Kasept 01-24-2008 10:41 AM

Odd Central Park Barbaro Memorial
 
http://www.send2press.com:80/newswir...0123-004.shtml

Very odd story in NYC where controversial artist Daniel Edwards, in concert with the Leo Kesting Gallery and as part of a 'Barbaros Law movement', are placing a statue/memorial in Central Park. Somewhat horrifying image below depicting 'Barbaro's inability to walk'... as well as 'Smoothie', a Carriage Horse killed last year.


'Plea For Disclosure of Race Fatalities'; 'Sympathetic to NYC Carriage Horses'
http://barbaroslaw.com/



blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 10:44 AM

I think I will be paying a visit to that gallery on the next dark day. There's nothing like someone speaking about which they know nothing.

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 10:49 AM

Their press release shows a real understanding of racing when they said " Barbaro, winner of the Kentucky Derby by the largest margin of victory since 1946, was considered a shoe-in for the Triple Crown and the English Derby. "

Nothing like someone desperate for attention. Shame on NYC for allowing this type of desperate attention getting crap to get public funds as well as a public display.

I also liked his other sculptures.....Britney Spears, Paris Hilton and Prince Harry. What a phucking opportunist.

ddthetide 01-24-2008 10:52 AM

to bizarre for me.:confused:

ALostTexan 01-24-2008 11:00 AM

Unbelievable. One of the sickest things I have seen.

RIP Barbaro, and please forgive pathetic humans such as this 'artist'.

my miss storm cat 01-24-2008 11:43 AM

For anyone who didn't bother clicking on the link, his other "works" include.....


" a nude Britney Spears giving birth on a bearskin rug, an interactive autopsy of Paris Hilton with removable organs, and a war dead Prince Harry clutching the cameo-locket of his late mother Princess Diana.

I have no problem with the way an artist chooses to depict his subject... freedom of expression.

That said, this ain't art. It's an attempt at shock, propaganda, and it uses and belittles the memory of Barbaro and his fight for life, demeaning it and wrapping it up into a little package for the non-racing world to see. Eight months of heroic deeds and this is the "artist" they choose? This is the "work" they okay?

Shame on them.

I have a story and I've wanted to post it but there was never the appropriate thread... I think this one will do.

After a horse i loved broke down, i was telling a friend about him.... a profesional, guy in his 40's, educated... we had never talked about racing before.

I was stunned.... he actually said "so they shot him on the track?".

He was serious.

This world we live in... these people that don't follow racing... they don't know. They don't know at all and they never will.

Where i live racing has such a bad rap.

So while i like to think the good people of New York, my home town, won't be suckered in and fooled by this kinda **** I wonder.....

Rest in peace, Barbaro. What A Lost Texan said.....

Cajungator26 01-24-2008 12:38 PM

"It was reported that in the end, Barbaro was biting at people before he was finally allowed to die with dignity."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he a 'bitey' type of horse anyway? It is ridiculous how people get this stuff turned around.

philcski 01-24-2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Their press release shows a real understanding of racing when they said " Barbaro, winner of the Kentucky Derby by the largest margin of victory since 1946, was considered a shoe-in for the Triple Crown and the English Derby. "

Nothing like someone desperate for attention. Shame on NYC for allowing this type of desperate attention getting crap to get public funds as well as a public display.
I also liked his other sculptures.....Britney Spears, Paris Hilton and Prince Harry. What a phucking opportunist.

I second this notion. What a sick f*ck. This shouldn't be allowed on public lands.

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 12:48 PM

Art is art....and the artist has the right to express himself as he wishes. The people in the wrong are those in NYC that have granted him public funds and public grounds for exposure.

Hopefully it is not too late to bring this to the attention of the right people and have this mistake corrected.

philcski 01-24-2008 12:52 PM

Correct... he can do what he wants in his own private gallery but not on public money/lands, ESPECIALLY mine and ESPECIALLY this subject.

Only slightly less disturbing than the "artist" who collected his own "shots" as "art".
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sperm...en-76190.shtml

cowgirlintexas 01-24-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Correct... he can do what he wants in his own private gallery but not on public money/lands, ESPECIALLY mine and ESPECIALLY this subject.

Only slightly less disturbing than the "artist" who collected his own "shots" as "art".
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sperm...en-76190.shtml

Now, I have seen it all.. lol.. According to him they are "Heartfelt and delicate".. Arrruugghhhh...

my miss storm cat 01-24-2008 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Art is art....and the artist has the right to express himself as he wishes. The people in the wrong are those in NYC that have granted him public funds and public grounds for exposure.

Hopefully it is not too late to bring this to the attention of the right people and have this mistake corrected.

Fair enough, I was being pissy... it's art and i don't have to like it, look at it, etc. but sometimes i think the word art is used as an excuse for propaganda, self-promotion, etc.

Agree with all the posts on here....

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-24-2008 01:39 PM

i can see the pidgon shiet on it now........

my miss storm cat 01-24-2008 02:25 PM

http://leftatthegate.blogspot.com/20...ro-statue.html

GenuineRisk 01-24-2008 04:23 PM

It's no chocolate Jesus; that's for sure.

Riot 01-24-2008 06:24 PM

Did you guys read the www.barbaroslaw.com website?

This is the first broad shot of wackjob Animal Rights activists in their fight against horse racing. The purpose of Barbaroslaw is to encourage people not to support, attend, or wager on horseracing.

It's appalling that they corrupt Barbaro's name by association with this crap. I wonder if the Jackson's can do anything to stop it?

PS nice comment BTW

ceejay 01-24-2008 06:42 PM

Good art is supposed to produce emotion. That's just emotion I don't want to have.

mclem10011 01-24-2008 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Unbelievable. One of the sickest things I have seen.

RIP Barbaro, and please forgive pathetic humans such as this 'artist'.

Totally agree!

Riot 01-24-2008 07:12 PM

Steve or BTW ... anybody know who to contact in NY gov offices to register objection?

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 07:17 PM

I don't know, feels like there are quite a lot of far sicker things out there. It's art....whether we like it or not. It's opportunistic....which seems to be what this artist excels at.

The City also shouldn't allow a memorial for a stricken animal in Central Park to be used in this manner and tying Barbaro to it makes little or no genuine sense. The people behind this are stealing this opportunity in a manner that simply shouldn't be permitted by the City of New York.

Riot 01-24-2008 07:27 PM

It's a political statement tied to Barbaroslaw - questionable in my mind about permanent installation in the park.

Wonder who are this gallery's best patrons? If any are NY racing people?

Cannon Shell 01-24-2008 07:31 PM

One of the reasons that the Arts get less support than they used to is that people (like me) fear that their money will go to radical causes and artists like this one.

deltagulf 01-24-2008 07:36 PM

its art alright. but very poor taste to let it take place in the park.

Riot 01-24-2008 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
One of the reasons that the Arts get less support than they used to is that people (like me) fear that their money will go to radical causes and artists like this one.

I fully support an artists freedom to offend me in public.

I don't like when a hard-copy, permanent representation of political actions being brought before Congress is placed on government property under the excuse of "public art", however.

More to this than just a statue I find offensive, for me. It's what is behind the statue (the political agenda of the gallery owner, barbaroslaw)

Riot 01-24-2008 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
"It was reported that in the end, Barbaro was biting at people before he was finally allowed to die with dignity."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he a 'bitey' type of horse anyway? It is ridiculous how people get this stuff turned around.

I think the most important part of that sentence is the highlighted - that spin is pure, anti-horseracing, Animal Rights propaganda.

my miss storm cat 01-24-2008 08:11 PM

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...080/1002/rss04

Excerpt.....

A spokeswoman for the New York City Department of Parks & Recreation said it has not received an application for a special event permit or a temporary public art permit allowing the unveiling.

* * *

I wonder if there's a chance it'll be denied... (?).

No idea how such things work.

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 08:52 PM

You mean they weren't telling the truth....and it isn't scheduled to be unveiled on April 30th?

Zaf 01-24-2008 09:03 PM

Poor Taste , I'm sickened :(

my miss storm cat 01-24-2008 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You mean they weren't telling the truth....and it isn't scheduled to be unveiled on April 30th?

No, I just thought it was interesting that no application had been filed.

Thought maybe there was some loophole where they could be stopped but i checked here.....

http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_thing...uidelines.html

Any PR is good PR but maybe a silent email-a-thon to the Commissioner, Dept. of Parks and Recreation?

I'm just thinking out loud.

Just incase.....

http://nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html

Oh, and i do applaud you for your eloquent comments..... had to (finally) say that.

Coach Pants 01-24-2008 09:45 PM

I think the memorial might bring new fans to the game. I have no problem with it.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-24-2008 09:54 PM

Maybe it's just me - but the overwhelming majority of these so called great "pieces of art" are things that if left in my possession to keep - I would donate to the nearest garbage dump ASAP.

Of course, I only make that statement if the stuff was given to me and I wasn't under the assumption it was worth anything.

If someone gave me the Mona Lisa - I think the following would occur with my thought process when I first look at it....

* I wonder what she would have looked like without clothes about 5 years earlier.

* I wonder is she was an ego maniac, and paid someone to do that picture for her - or if some sad lonesome artist tried to score some pu tang by painting her a pic of herself.

* Crinkle, trash can.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-24-2008 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Unbelievable. One of the sickest things I have seen.

Why?, because he used the name Barbaro in his exhibit? If it was called 'a procrastinators merry-go-round' would you be offended?

To my untrained eye, it looked like someone got a start on making a Merry-Go-Round, but got bored and quit after just having the basic structure of two horses finished.

Much ado about nothing.

GenuineRisk 01-24-2008 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

This was my favorite of the comments leftatthegate quoted:

<<The sculpture is just horrible, why in God’s name would put a horse on is back. Our horese are worrier’s and proud animals. Barbaro should never be on his back, proud and upright is were he should be. Maybe you should rethink this.>>

"Our horese are worrier's." Awesome.

miraja2 01-24-2008 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Why?, because he used the name Barbaro in his exhibit? If it was called 'a procrastinators merry-go-round' would you be offended?

To my untrained eye, it looked like someone got a start on making a Merry-Go-Round, but got bored and quit after just having the basic structure of two horses finished.

Much ado about nothing.

This really made me laugh.

sumitas 01-24-2008 11:37 PM

The "artist" is one pathetic waste of oxygen.

brianwspencer 01-25-2008 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
It's no chocolate Jesus; that's for sure.

I don't like it, but then again I am all for people being able to do whatever they want with their art -- whether it be chocolate Jesus, pubic hair embedded in soap, or whatever else they can dream up, it'd be silly of me to champion their right to offend anyone else and then get mad over this.

golfer 01-25-2008 05:49 AM

I think in situations like this, even registering complaints just gives the art and the artist more exposure, which is what they want to begin with. It might be better to just ignore. In fact, if it wasn't for this thread, how many of us would have seen or heard about this piece of "art"?

fpsoxfan 01-25-2008 05:57 AM

I wonder if more people would be upset if they did a "Heath Ledger laying face down naked surrounded by pills sculpture" It would be in about the same taste.


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