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hoovesupsideyourhead 01-23-2008 03:06 PM

1/26: DT Race of the Week
 
sat race 7 the sunshine millions sprint lets see if we can get a winner in this one..

GPK 01-23-2008 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
that just gets you to the log in....most all of us here can get the pps/


I tried...

Bobby Fischer 01-23-2008 04:17 PM

if anyone needs the bris pps http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...lin_100537.pdf

miraja2 01-23-2008 09:15 PM

What do you guys make of Benny?
He looks like the class of the field to me, his four works this year are all sharp, and there should be enough speed to set it up for him.

Lava 01-23-2008 09:33 PM

Tri
Mach Ride with Benny the Bull/Cobalt Blue with Finallymadeit/Benny the Bull/Cobalt Blue

tiggerv 01-23-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Mach Ride looks tough to me. I'm not convinced there is that much speed in here. If he can avoid a duel with Finallymadeit, I think he wins.

I spent all of 60 secs on it and Mach Ride looks like a standout to me too. Perhaps I will change my mind when I look at it more on Friday.

Cannon Shell 01-23-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Mach Ride looks tough to me. I'm not convinced there is that much speed in here. If he can avoid a duel with Finallymadeit, I think he wins.

You dont think Bushwacker will be a pace factor?

Coach Pants 01-23-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
What do you guys make of Benny?
He looks like the class of the field to me, his four works this year are all sharp, and there should be enough speed to set it up for him.

3-1 would be a gift.

tiggerv 01-23-2008 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
3-1 would be a gift.

Great avatar

IrishofNDMan 01-23-2008 10:12 PM

Benny for me.

miraja2 01-23-2008 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Mach Ride looks tough to me. I'm not convinced there is that much speed in here. If he can avoid a duel with Finallymadeit, I think he wins.

I think Cannon Shell is right. I think the outside horse is certainly going to go for the lead.
Speaking of that one, he is quite the workout horse isn't he? You don't often see eight straight bullets that are:
1/16
1/40
1/102
1/19
1/18
1/31
1/40
1/72

TheSpyder 01-24-2008 06:14 AM

Wise guy horse
 
I pretty much agree with everything said thus far and was getting to copy Lava's post and say same for me...then I looked again, and I know I'm crazy but if Mr. Umphrey runs his best, he'll be there.

Why? Well, right or wrong I like to look at times run from 4f to 6f and he's got two sub 24 second times, one at a route race. No one else has that and if the pace is strong and the leaders burn each other out, even a little, and he's got run at the end, then he's got a shot.

Am I crazy?...oh, I already said I was.

Spyder

2Hot4TV 01-24-2008 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You dont think Bushwacker will be a pace factor?

Bushwacker's post is too far outside to make the lead, he really likes too rub the rail for his best running.

cowgirlintexas 01-24-2008 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
I know I'm crazy but if Mr. Umphrey runs his best, he'll be there.

I too was looking at Mr. Umphrey.. Really looks capable of pulling an upset to me in this. Just has two nice bullets to tighten him up as well. I will be putting him in my tri's for sure.

TheSpyder 01-24-2008 07:03 AM

Glad to know I'm not the only crazy one here!:p
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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
I too was looking at Mr. Umphrey.. Really looks capable of pulling an upset to me in this. Just has two nice bullets to tighten him up as well. I will be putting him in my tri's for sure.


cowgirlintexas 01-24-2008 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Glad to know I'm not the only crazy one here!:p

"And.. Away they go"....

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not to be a dick, but where is Mr. Umphrey's competitive race?


You're not being a dick, you're trying to be helpful, as obviously Mr. Umphrey is completely uncompetitive, and only entered as a precautionary rabbit for Benny the Bull.

miraja2 01-24-2008 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No, not really. I give him no shot in there and I'd be surprised if he was on the board. He's certainly quick, but with the post, and the 2 speeds inside, I don't think he'll be a factor.

I completely agree that Bushwacker has no shot at winning the race, and is unlikely to hit the board.
But I still think he will be a pace factor. What else can he do? He always just runs the opening half in :44 1/5 and trys to hang on.

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I completely agree that Bushwacker has no shot at winning the race, and is unlikely to hit the board.
But I still think he will be a pace factor. What else can he do? He always just runs the opening half in :44 1/5 and trys to hang on.

For what it's worth, and I tend to agree with all of this post, when Bushwacker finished a terrific third to Bordonaro in this race at Gulfstream two years ago, he was coming off a strikingly similar prep in California, just one day different from the one he has this year. Let me also add that Bushwacker had post 11 at Gulfstream that year as well.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-24-2008 08:36 AM

if it comes up good/off the bull my be sucking wind...

im giving these 3 top shot at the win/ext

benny the bull
tropic storm off improvment/but polly speed n class problems ..if things go right he may get into the ext

praying for cash has the sprint ped and cuts back
k. m no dummy...

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 08:38 AM

You almost made it Hooves......it's Kiaran.

I do, however, agree that Praying for Cash has a decent chance. Obviously Benny the Bull is the horse to beat.

TheSpyder 01-24-2008 04:55 PM

Andy,

What could you possibly mean by this as there's plenty of speed I don't see why they would need a precautionary rabbit (Interesting term). Do you think Four Roses looks at it that way? If I spent 130K for a horse it sure wouldn't be to help someone else.

What am I missing master?

Spyder
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're not being a dick, you're trying to be helpful, as obviously Mr. Umphrey is completely uncompetitive, and only entered as a precautionary rabbit for Benny the Bull.


TheSpyder 01-24-2008 05:03 PM

You don't think his 11/7 race beaten a head by Chatain was competitive going 23 the last 2f? That's a finish of 11 2/5 and 11/3/5. I'm saying that's pretty good. What am I missing?
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not to be a dick, but where is Mr. Umphrey's competitive race?


declansharbor 01-24-2008 05:09 PM

As said before, Benny is the one to beat here. If injury that forced Mach Ride to miss the BC is fully healed (last race says it is), he definitely has the back class, and speed to take this one.
Bushwhacker can't be ignored here. A duplicate of his last race, wins this IMO. Will have to overcome the post, but a good enough horse can.
Its a 3 horse race IMO. Tri box.

Look for Finallymadeit or Praying for Cash to hold on to fill the super.

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2008 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Andy,

What could you possibly mean by this as there's plenty of speed I don't see why they would need a precautionary rabbit (Interesting term). Do you think Four Roses looks at it that way? If I spent 130K for a horse it sure wouldn't be to help someone else.

What am I missing master?

Spyder

Do I find it surprising that Four Roses allows Dutrow to use this horse to act as a rabbit for other owners? Yes, I definitely do. It makes one wonder. However, he has been a rabbit in the past ( most recently in the Meadowlands Cup for Diamond Stripes, but also in the Stephen Foster for Diamond Stripes as well as the Met Mile for Silver Train ). However, both those horses were Four Roses horses so perhaps you have a point. But, when Dutrow used two rabbits for Saint Liam in the Woodward they were owned by different owners than Saint Liam.

Perhaps Dutrow only entered him in case there wasn't a lot of speed in the race....or perhaps to ensure that one speed doesn't end up running alone on the lead. However, regardless of how I feel ( which is that he really isn't even fast enough to affect this particularly pace ), it is clear that he has been used as a rabbit in the past and that seems to be the case here.

Using his second by a head to Chatain, at 6F at the Meadowlands, to suggest he has a chance in this race is a major mistake IMO. Chatain is not really a 6F horse and was coming off a three month layoff. Plus, Mr. Umphrey was allowed to sit a very comfortable trip in that race against a bunch of overmatched rivals. Comparing that situation to this one is beyond apples and oranges.

Simply put, even if Mr. Umphrey wasn't entered as a rabbit, which seems unlikely, he is in way over his head and his career record backs that up.

whodey17 01-24-2008 05:35 PM

I will take Praying For Cash. Cutting back in distance, 2 bullet works back to back, 1 win and 1 3rd at the 6 furlong distance, getting the services of Johnny V, Kiaran is 23% with horses off a layoff of 90+ days. M/L odds of 6-1 isnt too bad either.

Bobby Fischer 01-24-2008 11:12 PM

5 alive
 
you got mach ride, finallymadeit , benny the bull, tropic storm, and bushwacker

cobalt blue and praying for cash will be the underlays

fpsoxfan 01-26-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by merasmag
too bad i got to the otb at 3:10...went straight to the teller, gs 7th...she said it's over...i said the 6 won?...she said yeah...lol...that was my day in a nutshell

Can you PLEASE on behalf of all of us here....Make one Coherent post!!

Danzig 01-27-2008 12:08 AM

'no child left behind'...


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