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pmacdaddy 01-18-2008 10:18 PM

Aqueduct - Sat 1/19
 
Looking forward to some Aqueduct action tomorrow...

Malibu Gardens stood out for me in the 6th (6-1). If I can get that ML, I will be taking the plunge.

Interested if anyone has thoughts on the race.

Good luck!

Holland Hacker 01-19-2008 06:35 AM

Here are my EARLY thoughts on the late pick 4 at Aqueduct:
-----------A------------ ------------B------------
Race 6 - NYB MSW
1A - Pa Pa Ed (poe) (4-1)
9 - Post Exchange (3-1)
6 - Dirty Water Dog (5/2)

Race 7 -NYB AOC / NW2
5 - Champchu (12-1)
4 - All Right Now (3-1)
12 - Al's Lark (6-1)

Race 8 - Aqueduct Handicap
1 - Pink Viper (5/2) 2 - Angliana (8-1)
3 - Judith's Wild Rush (6-1) 5 - Evening Attire (2-1)


Race 9 - Clm 15K NL2
9 - Full of Rage (9/2)
1 - Sobrino (2-1)


The Aqueduct Handicap is the Thoro-graph Race of the Week. Meaning you can get the sheets and analysis for free. http://www.thorograph.com/
Interested in others comments as well.

Good Luck.

cowgirlintexas 01-19-2008 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Looking forward to some Aqueduct action tomorrow...

Malibu Gardens stood out for me in the 6th (6-1). If I can get that ML, I will be taking the plunge.

Interested if anyone has thoughts on the race.

Good luck!

Don't have time this morning to do any handicappin' so I just put a few bucks on the 5 in the 6th. Nice connections as well as odds. Thanks Pmac.

pmacdaddy 01-19-2008 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
Don't have time this morning to do any handicappin' so I just put a few bucks on the 5 in the 6th. Nice connections as well as odds. Thanks Pmac.

Hoping Jerkins has this one ready second off. Really like to 6F, 7F works for the stretch out.

Had my eye on a Jerkin's runner with similar pattern in finale last Sun. and was cranked up at price. This one is maiden, so guess there is more risk there.

See what happens...

3kings 01-19-2008 08:34 AM

Post Exchange will probably go off at a very short price after Kieren success yesterday. I give Hoist the Gala #3 a shot at a very nice price. At least to add value to the exotics.

Coach Pants 01-19-2008 08:55 AM

Dirty Water Dog looks like he could take these plodders on.

pmacdaddy 01-19-2008 10:23 AM

Changes - http://www.equibase.com/premium/changes/AQU-changes.asp

Post Exchange scratched in 6th so I can probably forget about a price...

trifecta124 01-19-2008 11:33 AM

First Race at Aqueduct today 19-1 winner.......Wire to wire.

blackthroatedwind 01-19-2008 11:38 AM

And Cheat C got left on a bullet speed that has never had gate trouble in his life.

trifecta124 01-19-2008 11:53 AM

Aqueduct $1 Late Pick 3

7th: 1,4,5,6,7
8th: 1,3,4,5
9th: 4

pointman 01-19-2008 01:03 PM

Another wire job in the 4th at 10-1. Bias today?

pmacdaddy 01-19-2008 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman
Another wire job in the 4th at 10-1. Bias today?

Jimmy Jerkins second off. Used him prominently to kick off pk3. Hope trend continues...

pmacdaddy 01-19-2008 01:29 PM

Managed a $3 pick3 to the #5 here in the 6th. Anyone have will pays?

pointman 01-19-2008 01:31 PM

Pat, it is $1,168 on $2. Nice job! Lets get em on the pk4.

pmacdaddy 01-19-2008 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman
Pat, it is $1,168 on $2. Nice job! Lets get em on the pk4.

Damn...at least I can lay off on my win play. Will box with #6 and also #4 in case he takes them all around the track...

Scav 01-19-2008 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Damn...at least I can lay off on my win play. Will box with #6 and also #4 in case he takes them all around the track...

Hopefully you played it in $1 tickets to stay away from the tax man

pmacdaddy 01-19-2008 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Hopefully you played it in $1 tickets to stay away from the tax man

Nah, called it in, but a problem I would like to have...

Holland Hacker 01-19-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Hopefully you played it in $1 tickets to stay away from the tax man

If he used a NYRA Rewards Account (Assumption on my part) I don't know if that matters as they combine all simialr tickets. I vaguely remember getting a letter to that effect last year.

pmacdaddy 01-19-2008 01:55 PM

Dang

Scav 01-19-2008 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker
If he used a NYRA Rewards Account (Assumption on my part) I don't know if that matters as they combine all simialr tickets. I vaguely remember getting a letter to that effect last year.

That REALLY sucks if they do that.

pick4 01-19-2008 02:01 PM

There is no question of if they do that, NYRA rewards combines seperate tickets. They sent out a letter mid year in 2007 explaining this.

pick4 01-19-2008 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
There is no question of if they do that, NYRA rewards combines seperate tickets. They sent out a letter mid year in 2007 explaining this.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...2&subs=0&arc=1

Here's a link which explains:

Account wagering singled out

Two weeks ago in this space, the question was posed why the New York State Racing and Wagering Board has not acted on several proposed rule changes that would benefit horseplayers, including consistent late-scratch rules, reducing required field sizes for exotic wagers, and introducing fractional-betting minimums consistent with other states.

It turns out the board has in fact been dealing with one issue dear to horseplayers - but in a destructive and unnecessary way.

The already bizarre and unfair Internal Revenue Service rules regarding racetrack winnings have an obscure provision regarding "aggregate withholding." It requires that tracks combine multiple winning $1 tickets from customers to see if identical winning wagers add up to exceed the threshholds for reporting and withholding. A customer who cashed two separate $1 tickets on a $312 trifecta would, in theory, have his proceeds reported to the IRS under this aggregation, because while $312 is under the mark, $624 just exceeds it.

Racetracks unofficially ignore the rule since it is impossible to enforce in a mutuel-window environment. Bettors have learned to buy tickets at the lowest minimums and cash them separately. Everyone understands that the IRS rules are absurd, raise no legitimate revenue since 99 percent of players do not show a net profit that should be taxed, and do nothing but take money out of circulation while driving customers to seek out illegal 10-percenters to cash their tickets. The racing industry sensibly ignores the aggregate withholding provision the way that most policemen sensibly ignore the jaywalking statutes on empty streets.

But recently someone at the New York State Racing and Wagering Board decided it would be a good idea to hold some of New York's horseplayers to the letter of a bad law that no one else enforces, by taking advantage of the paper trail provided by account wagering. NYRA was forced to send letters to its NYRA Rewards members last week, apologetically telling them that the provision would henceforth be strictly applied, and that money will be deducted from your account if identical $1 tickets combine to put you over the withholding threshhold. At exactly the time when the state and the tracks are trying to increase business, partially through expanded account-wagering with Internet access, the board is unilaterally imposing a unique penalty on people using those accounts.

A regulatory agency can't officially advocate skirting the federal tax code, but this was a case where there was no reason to raise the issue at all. It is the increasingly typical behavior of a hostile agency that seems to regard the betting public an adversary to be punished rather than as citizens to be protected.

Scav 01-19-2008 02:42 PM

That is garbage. Is that just NYRA rewards or all of the ADW's?

cowgirlintexas 01-19-2008 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
Don't have time this morning to do any handicappin' so I just put a few bucks on the 5 in the 6th. Nice connections as well as odds. Thanks Pmac.

Just gettin in the door and looked at the results.. Does'nt look like he ran anywhere today.. Maybe next time.

Kasept 01-19-2008 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
That is garbage. Is that just NYRA rewards or all of the ADW's?

This was something that NYRA did pre-emptively vis a vis IRS. I had John Ryan on the Show Belmont Week to explain why/how.

Ronnie 01-19-2008 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
That is garbage. Is that just NYRA rewards or all of the ADW's?

Youbet hasn't done it.

blackthroatedwind 01-19-2008 11:28 PM

You're bf is one lucky dude.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-20-2008 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...2&subs=0&arc=1

Here's a link which explains:

Account wagering singled out

Two weeks ago in this space, the question was posed why the New York State Racing and Wagering Board has not acted on several proposed rule changes that would benefit horseplayers, including consistent late-scratch rules, reducing required field sizes for exotic wagers, and introducing fractional-betting minimums consistent with other states.

It turns out the board has in fact been dealing with one issue dear to horseplayers - but in a destructive and unnecessary way.

The already bizarre and unfair Internal Revenue Service rules regarding racetrack winnings have an obscure provision regarding "aggregate withholding." It requires that tracks combine multiple winning $1 tickets from customers to see if identical winning wagers add up to exceed the threshholds for reporting and withholding. A customer who cashed two separate $1 tickets on a $312 trifecta would, in theory, have his proceeds reported to the IRS under this aggregation, because while $312 is under the mark, $624 just exceeds it.

Racetracks unofficially ignore the rule since it is impossible to enforce in a mutuel-window environment. Bettors have learned to buy tickets at the lowest minimums and cash them separately. Everyone understands that the IRS rules are absurd, raise no legitimate revenue since 99 percent of players do not show a net profit that should be taxed, and do nothing but take money out of circulation while driving customers to seek out illegal 10-percenters to cash their tickets. The racing industry sensibly ignores the aggregate withholding provision the way that most policemen sensibly ignore the jaywalking statutes on empty streets.

But recently someone at the New York State Racing and Wagering Board decided it would be a good idea to hold some of New York's horseplayers to the letter of a bad law that no one else enforces, by taking advantage of the paper trail provided by account wagering. NYRA was forced to send letters to its NYRA Rewards members last week, apologetically telling them that the provision would henceforth be strictly applied, and that money will be deducted from your account if identical $1 tickets combine to put you over the withholding threshhold. At exactly the time when the state and the tracks are trying to increase business, partially through expanded account-wagering with Internet access, the board is unilaterally imposing a unique penalty on people using those accounts.

A regulatory agency can't officially advocate skirting the federal tax code, but this was a case where there was no reason to raise the issue at all. It is the increasingly typical behavior of a hostile agency that seems to regard the betting public an adversary to be punished rather than as citizens to be protected.

thats why offshore is still the way to go


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