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Cannon Shell 01-02-2008 11:09 AM

Opening Day at GP
 
http://drf.com/entries/03/eGP03.html?rn=718428

The last race is a 10k claimer on the Turf. What's next? $5000 NW2 going 1 1/2 on the Grass?

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-02-2008 11:17 AM

there is some nice msw and alot o turf..

Coach Pants 01-02-2008 11:24 AM

quarter horse races?

Scav 01-02-2008 11:30 AM

And four turf races in a row? Are they trying to fry the turf course by Mid January?

MisterB 01-02-2008 11:42 AM

to expensive to stay down there with these low purses.

Trainers take a beating

Bigsmc 01-02-2008 11:42 AM

Interesting to see Nick Petro Jr. riding for his Uncle...10# bug.

The Petro brothers were always good for a bomb or two each Gulf meet. You just had to sift through the garbage they threw out there the rest of the time.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-02-2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Interesting to see Nick Petro Jr. riding for his Uncle...10# bug.

The Petro brothers were always good for a bomb or two each Gulf meet. You just had to sift through the garbage they threw out there the rest of the time.

yes biggs good call

SentToStud 01-02-2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://drf.com/entries/03/eGP03.html?rn=718428

The last race is a 10k claimer on the Turf. What's next? $5000 NW2 going 1 1/2 on the Grass?

They're running one on Friday also. Get Hacker Craft down here.

Cannon Shell 01-02-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
They're running one on Friday also. Get Hacker Craft down here.

He hates turf except for dining

sumitas 01-02-2008 12:41 PM

How could Hialejah not do better than GP ? Geesh.

pgardn 01-02-2008 01:34 PM

So what warm winter track benefits from the most from this?

(ie, where to go for the better horses, trainers?)

Cannon Shell 01-02-2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
So what warm winter track benefits from the most from this?

(ie, where to go for the better horses, trainers?)

It is not that anyone benefits but the reasoning of why it is done. To card races this cheap on the turf this early in the met is a bad sign. They are using these races to pad the numbers of starters per race and to capitalize on the popularity of Turf racing in a time when only a few tracks offer it and most importantly have to pay out a paltry purse as compared to a typical turf race. What is the downside? The fact that they are using the turf course heavily early in the meet to card such cheap races where they dont have to pay out much purse money means instead of splitting maidens or allowance races you will see them use a cheap claiming race as a turf race which is a troubling trend. Maybe some will like handicapping these types of races but you may wind up with a lot more of these and fewer better turf races.

The_Knight_Sky 01-02-2008 01:50 PM

101 horses pre-entered for 9 races (including Also Eligibles).


That comes out to 11.2 horses per race
for a mid-week opener and we're unhappy with that?

Coach Pants 01-02-2008 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Knight_Sky
101 horses pre-entered for 9 races (including Also Eligibles).


That comes out to 11.2 horses per race
for a mid-week opener and we're unhappy with that?

I'm unhappy with the lame smileys.

Cannon Shell 01-02-2008 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Knight_Sky
101 horses pre-entered for 9 races (including Also Eligibles).


That comes out to 11.2 horses per race
for a mid-week opener and we're unhappy with that?

Let's see what it is in a month

pgardn 01-02-2008 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is not that anyone benefits but the reasoning of why it is done. To card races this cheap on the turf this early in the met is a bad sign. They are using these races to pad the numbers of starters per race and to capitalize on the popularity of Turf racing in a time when only a few tracks offer it and most importantly have to pay out a paltry purse as compared to a typical turf race. What is the downside? The fact that they are using the turf course heavily early in the meet to card such cheap races where they dont have to pay out much purse money means instead of splitting maidens or allowance races you will see them use a cheap claiming race as a turf race which is a troubling trend. Maybe some will like handicapping these types of races but you may wind up with a lot more of these and fewer better turf races.

Aha.

Grass does not grow well in the winter.
I knew it.

They may be smart.
Just tapping into what the
majority of customers want.

The_Knight_Sky 01-02-2008 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm unhappy with the lame smileys.


They all blame Mr. Stronach.

VOL JACK 01-02-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB
to expensive to stay down there with these low purses.

Trainers take a beating

You mean OWNERS!! The trainers aren't paying the bills.

pgardn 01-02-2008 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
You mean OWNERS!! The trainers aren't paying the bills.

But I thought the Owners paid the Trainers.
The pure naked destitution of it all filters down, no?

Echo Farm 01-02-2008 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I'm unhappy with the lame smileys.

Get used to them. Hopefully, T_K_S has learned his lesson about hotlinking his pictures from other sites.

I notice he hasn't posted on another forum since the host of his hotlinked photo substituted a photo of a partially transgendered individual and his/her friend enjoying some action for the pic he linked to.

It was sort of amusing, some people took screengrabs of his post.

The photo in this post is hotlinked from an Austrian website:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Knight_Sky
They all blame Mr. Stronach.


Coach Pants 01-02-2008 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Echo Farm
Get used to them. Hopefully, T_K_S has learned his lesson about hotlinking his pictures from other sites.

I notice he hasn't posted on another forum since the host of his hotlinked photo substituted a photo of a partially transgendered individual and his/her friend enjoying some action for the pic he linked to.

It was sort of amusing, some people took screengrabs of his post.

The photo in this post is hotlinked from an Austrian website:

hahaahah

Hickory Hill Hoff 01-02-2008 04:14 PM

Chuck, any chance KNS could show up and race at the Gulf?

Riot 01-02-2008 05:43 PM

Quote:

The last race is a 10k claimer on the Turf. What's next? $5000 NW2 going 1 1/2 on the Grass?
Hey! I'm eligible for that!

Cannon Shell 01-02-2008 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Aha.

Grass does not grow well in the winter.
I knew it.

They may be smart.
Just tapping into what the
majority of customers want.

I have never heard any clamoring for 10k claimers on the turf before.

They ruined one of the great meets in racing and they lose money with slot machines. They are not smart.

Cannon Shell 01-02-2008 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Chuck, any chance KNS could show up and race at the Gulf?

it is possible I suppose

MisterB 01-03-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
You mean OWNERS!! The trainers aren't paying the bills.

Owners pay a day rate. Trainers Lodging,food,gas etc isn't in that rate.

Alan07 01-03-2008 11:17 AM


pgardn 01-03-2008 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I have never heard any clamoring for 10k claimers on the turf before.

They ruined one of the great meets in racing and they lose money with slot machines. They are not smart.

You may be right.
But the handle will tell the truth.

Cannon Shell 01-03-2008 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
You may be right.
But the handle will tell the truth.

Handle as compared to what?

Here is the goal of the new GP racing Secretary who did such a fine job at Thistledown that he was brought in to bring some of the qualities of Ohio racing to Gulfstream Park. From the DRF...

New racing secretary Bill Couch and new director of racing Bernie Hettel take over from the departed Dave Bailey, who held both positions. They will be stressing quantity along with the usual quality at the 89-day meet.

"Maximizing field sizes is going to be our top priority this winter," said Couch, who is also the racing secretary at Thistledown in Ohio, which like Gulfstream is owned by Magna Entertainment Corp. Couch said he is trying to fulfill the wishes of Bill Murphy, who begins his second season as president and general manager of Gulfstream Park. "That's what Murph brought me down for."
Last year, Gulfstream averaged 8.6 horses per race, and Couch said he is hoping for 9.2 to 9.5 per race this meet.




I dont see any mention of quality there do you? So a 10k claimer on the turf is now going to take the place of an grass allowance race. I cant see how it is going to make the racing better. There is a limit to how much the turf course can be used.

Scav 01-03-2008 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Handle as compared to what?

Here is the goal of the new GP racing Secretary who did such a fine job at Thistledown that he was brought in to bring some of the qualities of Ohio racing with Gulfstream Park. From the DRF...

New racing secretary Bill Couch and new director of racing Bernie Hettel take over from the departed Dave Bailey, who held both positions. They will be stressing quantity along with the usual quality at the 89-day meet.

"Maximizing field sizes is going to be our top priority this winter," said Couch, who is also the racing secretary at Thistledown in Ohio, which like Gulfstream is owned by Magna Entertainment Corp. Couch said he is trying to fulfill the wishes of Bill Murphy, who begins his second season as president and general manager of Gulfstream Park. "That's what Murph brought me down for."
Last year, Gulfstream averaged 8.6 horses per race, and Couch said he is hoping for 9.2 to 9.5 per race this meet.




I dont see any mention of quality there do you? So a 10k claimer on the turf is now going to take the place of an grass allowance race. I cant see how it is going to make the racing better. There is a limit to how much the turf course can be used.

he still thinks he has to card for Thistledowns....

Cannon Shell 01-03-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
he still thinks he has to card for Thistledowns....

That is not to say that field size does not have some importance but when a "premier" track brings in a cheap track guy and the cheap track races start showing up on Opening day, I would be worried that the overall quality of races is going to drop even further.

Scav 01-03-2008 12:26 PM

Lets find some investors and buy the track off Frankie and do our thing. I am in charge of entertainment.

SentToStud 01-03-2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
That is not to say that field size does not have some importance but when a "premier" track brings in a cheap track guy and the cheap track races start showing up on Opening day, I would be worried that the overall quality of races is going to drop even further.

It's not as if there aren't barns full of turf MSW horses at GP as well as Calder, Palm, Payson and Palm Beach. It's all BS, that "full-fields" excuse. I boycotted opening day in protest.

Coach Pants 01-03-2008 12:41 PM

Director of racing Bernie Hettel...

:rolleyes:

GPK 01-03-2008 12:43 PM

I just downloaded Saturdays card. They should be ashamed.

As long as Tampa is running, Gulfstream won't see a dime of my money.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-03-2008 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
I just downloaded Saturdays card. They should be ashamed.

As long as Tampa is running, Gulfstream won't see a dime of my money.

gfy,,lol

GPK 01-03-2008 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
gfy,,lol


:eek:

I have never seen so many N2L carded at a "major" track...and on opening weekend

Coach Pants 01-03-2008 12:51 PM

Hey when is the mall opening?


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