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hoovesupsideyourhead 12-28-2007 03:35 PM

p val gets the boot again
 
suspended his ass per hrtv

Coach Pants 12-28-2007 03:37 PM

Sunland Park here he comes!!

Mag 12-28-2007 04:08 PM

Rumor has it he got a DUI

STATE OF CALIFORNIA
THE CALIFORNIA HORSE RACING BOARD

NOTICE OF TERMINATION AND TERMINATION OF
CONDITIONAL LICENSE

WHEREAS, The California Horse Racing Board (the “Board”) has granted to Patrick Valenzuela (“Valenzuela”) a conditional jockey license (the “License”) valid from 11/14/07 to 12/31/08;

WHEREAS, terms and conditions of the License include the condition that, during the term of the License, Valenzuela abstain from the consumption and/or possession of any alcohol and shall not enter any public place where alcohol is the principal commodity for sale or use;

WHEREAS, upon a finding of a material violation of any condition of the License, the License shall be subject to immediate termination;

WHEREAS, Valenzuela has been found to have materially violated the condition of the License that he abstain from the consumption and/or possession of any alcohol,

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Valenzuela’s License be, and hereby is, terminated.

Ingrid Fermin, Executive Director
CALIFORNIA HORSE RACING BOARD
__________________

TheSpyder 12-28-2007 04:24 PM

Mag,

Where you at in NC?

Spyder

Echo Farm 12-28-2007 05:03 PM

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42913

eajinabi 12-28-2007 05:22 PM

I have no idea how this guy gets re-instated every time??
He is a joke and his repeated violations should have him banned from the sport for Life!!!

this is his 4th or 5th time for his comeback and he still does stupid stuff like that. He is only in this game for the money and that is a fact.

2Hot4TV 12-28-2007 07:07 PM

I for one will wish him the best in his war against his demons and hope he can come back clean and sober.

I find it to be a character flaw to kick someone when their addictions take everything away from them.

We all have our faults.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-28-2007 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
I for one will wish him the best in his war against his demons and hope he can come back clean and sober.

I find it to be a character flaw to kick someone when their addictions take everything away from them.

We all have our faults.

f him he has talent and pissed away many times..

cowgirlintexas 12-28-2007 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
f him he has talent and pissed away many times..

Here, Here :D

The_Knight_Sky 12-28-2007 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

We all have our faults.


And no racing jurisdiction has made
more controversial and questionable rulings in recent years than the CHRB.

Today is just one less day Patrick Valenzuela will have to wait
before being reinstated (once again).

No one seems to be learning from all this.
The CHRB is just as guilty of stupidity as Mr. Valenzuela.
Ain't that the truth ?

SCUDSBROTHER 12-28-2007 09:18 PM

Atleast he has lost his license for doing something that endangered somebody else.

my miss storm cat 12-28-2007 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
I for one will wish him the best in his war against his demons and hope he can come back clean and sober.

I find it to be a character flaw to kick someone when their addictions take everything away from them.

We all have our faults.

I agree.

hi_im_god 12-28-2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
f him he has talent and pissed away many times..

he'd never have had the extra chances if he wasn't talanted. journeymen with substance issues aren't worth the problems.

the ability in someone with his problem is the proverbial double edged sword. he gets more chances because of it. that means he can go longer than less talanted people before he really has to deal with it.

i know it seems like it's unfair but he's the marketplace in action.

if you're really pissed about it take some solace in this. i guarentee he is hollow inside until he gets a grip on the problem. whatever the outside appearence the guy is suffering.

Rudeboyelvis 12-28-2007 10:33 PM

Not to make light of the situation, drinking and driving and all...but the idea of a jock going through a fast food drive thru at 3 am is pure comedy gold...

Track Annoucer: "Late Changes: All of P Val's mounts 3lbs over due to late nite Baja Supreemo Double Steak Gorditas"...lol

SCUDSBROTHER 12-28-2007 10:46 PM

You can tell his lifestyle has taken a hit.He is hangin' out in Upland instead of the Pasadena/Arcadia/Sierra Madre areas.

pgardn 12-28-2007 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
he'd never have had the extra chances if he wasn't talanted. journeymen with substance issues aren't worth the problems.

the ability in someone with his problem is the proverbial double edged sword. he gets more chances because of it. that means he can go longer than less talanted people before he really has to deal with it.

i know it seems like it's unfair but he's the marketplace in action.

if you're really pissed about it take some solace in this. i guarentee he is hollow inside until he gets a grip on the problem. whatever the outside appearence the guy is suffering.

No doubt.
I dont think this is a party thing.

This is chronic and serious.
After he shaved all his body
hair I was convinced he has no
clue how to help himself.

I dont know if one is supposed to pity this, or what.
But he clearly cannot help himself.
Another case of self medicating athlete.
an athlete that needs medical help.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-28-2007 11:18 PM

he was a money making machine..his handlers f-ed him ..he did not get this way without his people sticking him in bad deals..with the wrong people...

that line of blow will not make you hungry... he is a weak minder moron who has had the same bad friends sence he got big time..........want fries with that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

stonegossard 12-29-2007 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
I for one will wish him the best in his war against his demons and hope he can come back clean and sober.

I find it to be a character flaw to kick someone when their addictions take everything away from them.

We all have our faults.

I USED to be a big PVAL fan...."used to" being the key words. This 9 time loser has had way too many chances and should be removed from racing permanently.......eventually he will come to the track loaded or strung out and cause havoc out there...I say adios pval......good riddance.

Coach Pants 12-29-2007 12:15 AM

He was winning at about a 9% clip this go around. He can stay gone now. He's not good enough to get another chance.

tiggerv 12-29-2007 12:46 AM

Time for the permanent ban. I feel bad for anyone with a substance problem but I lose all sympathy rather quickly when someone risks other peoples lives driving around loaded.

That being said I am sure someone will license him.

2Hot4TV 12-29-2007 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Not to make light of the situation, drinking and driving and all...but the idea of a jock going through a fast food drive thru at 3 am is pure comedy gold...

Track Annoucer: "Late Changes: All of P Val's mounts 3lbs over due to late nite Baja Supreemo Double Steak Gorditas"...lol

It made me snicker too.

The DUI part can not be tolerated, but to take his job away. Rehab and only let him work horses with testing for drugs.

Danzig 12-29-2007 08:03 AM

other jocks have lost their licenses for less, p val has had so many chances, and continues to blow them. pointing out that he is a troubled person who can't seem to help himself isn't kicking him when he's down, it's the truth.
the chrb is partly at fault with his continued issues, as they continue to give him 'one more chance'. so where is the incentive to get help?
much like cole norman, he won't do anything about the situation until HE feels there is a problem, and he is ready to do something about it.

i think p val should have to go thru a substantial program, and then remain clean and sober for a year after exiting that program, with clean tests throughout that year, before they even consider giving him a license again.

cowgirlintexas 12-29-2007 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
It made me snicker too.

The DUI part can not be tolerated, but to take his job away. Rehab and only let him work horses with testing for drugs.

I agree, abit absurd really... He was'nt even riding a horse or near a racetrack... Personally, I don't think he should be punished at his job for driving a car drunk.. That should be a whole seperate deal. Be different if he failed a breathalizer at the track.

Danzig 12-29-2007 08:09 AM

except that everyone seems to forget that p val agreed to all the stipulations in that deal with the chrb, in order to get his license. not for nothing is it called 'conditional'. he broke a condition of the license. besides, there are plenty of jobs out there that if you get a dui off duty, it can cost you your job--mainly anyone who drives for their company, whether a truck/18 wheeler or a company vehicle, etc, because the insurance co won't cover you.

2Hot4TV 12-29-2007 08:12 AM

The race track and party life is what Pat grew up in. Old habits are hard to break when the money comes so easy. He will regret this till the day he dies.

Bigsmc 12-29-2007 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
I agree, abit absurd really... He was'nt even riding a horse or near a racetrack... Personally, I don't think he should be punished at his job for driving a car drunk.. That should be a whole seperate deal. Be different if he failed a breathalizer at the track.

No jock is punished for that....unless, he has had a sordid past, filled with drug and alcohol problems, leaving owners and trainers in the lurch, etc....
Then you end up with the conditions laid out before him in order to ride again. He agreed to those conditions and broke them, end of story, end of P. Val.

As someone previously said, as long as they continue to license him, they are enabling him. What incentive does he have to get well if just sitting out for a period of time, passing the drug tests and taking a slap on the wrist is all he has to do to get back to riding?

Enough already.

Danzig 12-29-2007 08:17 AM

except that we have seen others with problems beat them, without all the continued drama and back and forth. it's like a game to pval, beat the chrb. then he wants every one to feel sorry for him when he effs up again-oh, don't take his job away. hell, he's trying to give it away!

Coach Pants 12-29-2007 09:57 AM

Well now is as good a time as any...

PVal should be in the Hall of Fame.

The Bid 12-29-2007 10:03 AM

So what. The guy had a couple tall boys, he weighs 115lbs.

2Hot4TV 12-29-2007 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well now is as good a time as any...

PVal should be in the Hall of Fame.

Dont think that will happen.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-29-2007 12:06 PM

I think this is it for him.He had great talent,but I didn't see much left when he rode at HWD.He might of got one horse(that wouldn't normally have won) to win,but he didn't keep the horse strait at all.He got taken down.If people want to drive,they damn sure better be able to avoid still objects.I think he will end up working horses in the mornings,and living paycheck to paycheck.He has one back-up talent now,and that is conducting Bible Study Classes for substance abusers.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-29-2007 02:15 PM

Bejarano gets the easy 3k in the 1st race(instead of original rider PVAL.) Costly...u dumb fkr......You know the fine will be like 2k or more(for a D.U.I.)That's 5k atleast you lost (cuz u a dumb fkr.)

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-29-2007 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Bejarano gets the easy 3k in the 1st race(instead of original rider PVAL.) Costly...u dumb fkr......You know the fine will be like 2k or more(for a D.U.I.)That's 5k atleast you lost (cuz u a dumb fkr.)

his lifetime earnings.... can afford a limo....

fpsoxfan 12-29-2007 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well now is as good a time as any...

PVal should be in the Hall of Fame.

Some much for that debate.:D

my miss storm cat 02-03-2008 06:02 PM

VALENZUELA COMING: Jockey Patrick Valenzuela will arrive at the Fair Grounds on Thursday and wants to begin riding by Saturday or Sunday, said Danny Gargan, who will be Valenzuela's agent.

Valenzuela, who won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness on Sunday Silence in 1989 and who has seven Breeders' Cup victories, for years was among the best riders based in Southern California. He also has a history of substance-abuse problems and suspensions.

His latest problem came Dec. 28, when the California Horse Racing Board terminated the conditional license under which he was riding. He had been arrested for allegedly driving under the influence of alcohol -- a violation of the terms of the conditional license.

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/horse...260.xml&coll=1

cowgirlintexas 02-03-2008 08:03 PM

Wonder who this agent is... Anyone heard of him before? Why on earth would he be P.V's agent after all the B.S? Be interesting to see what the Fairgrounds does. My guess is they say "No way"...

docicu3 02-03-2008 09:49 PM

I would think he would have to have a Louisiana license before they would be brazen enough to send out a press release like this......Chuck?

Cannon Shell 02-03-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
I would think he would have to have a Louisiana license before they would be brazen enough to send out a press release like this......Chuck?

He has a LA license. Reprocosity does not include non racing violations apparently according to the article. I've know PVal for a long time. A big part of his problem is that he has had some serious mental issues that went unaddressed for a long time. I would guess that they are still unresolved. I am not making excuses for him but he is closer to insane than sane, sober or otherwise.

docicu3 02-03-2008 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He has a LA license. Reprocosity does not include non racing violations apparently according to the article. I've know PVal for a long time. A big part of his problem is that he has had some serious mental issues that went unaddressed for a long time. I would guess that they are still unresolved. I am not making excuses for him but he is closer to insane than sane, sober or otherwise.

That's incredibly sad.......you sound like you should be writing the insightful piece on this guy rather than all the agents and family he has friction with. I had never read someone say he is organically ill other than his obvious substance issues. In most businesses or professions if your addiction is active we give you time away until you establish your sobriety again. A shame it doesn't apply to jocks.


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