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my miss storm cat 12-27-2007 11:17 AM

Bhutto assassinated
 
Pakistan's Bhutto Killed by Bombing
Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:31 AM EST
The Associated Press


RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide bombing that also killed at least 20 others at a campaign rally, a party aide and a military official said.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. (AP)


"You can imprison a man, but not an idea. You can exile a man, but not an idea. You can kill a man, but not an idea."
Benazir Bhutto, while Prime Minister



http://www.digischool.nl/kleioscoop/...%20benazir.jpg

Coach Pants 12-27-2007 11:19 AM

She's with Allah now.

pgardn 12-27-2007 12:44 PM

It really seemed to be a matter of time.
She even said something to this affect.

Is it effect or affect? Effect is the noun
gunner so I guess... I dont know
Affect is the verb gunner... I dont know.

Affect...yes...

She even said something indicating
she would probably die.

The Indomitable DrugS 12-27-2007 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
She even said something indicating
she would probably die.

Yeah, she's the female Pakastani Tupac.

Either that or she's just another corrupt third world ass hat who got what she had coming.


Until someone can produce her lyrics on par with......

"as long as I stay black, I gotta stay strapped & I never get to lay back.
'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs.
Some buck that I roughed up way back... comin' back after all these years.
Rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat. That's just the way it is."


I'll go with the latter.

_ed_ 12-27-2007 05:31 PM

:(
Very sad news. These fair democratic elections they're planning are obviously a long way off.

Danzig 12-27-2007 09:25 PM

she had been suspected of corruption, i believe that was what caused her to be the 'former' prime minister to begin with.
the bombing didn't kill her, i just read that she was shot twice, in the neck and chest, and then the shooter detonated a bomb, killing himself and 20 others.
of course you have to take a look at musharaf, who will try to hold onto power at any cost--he is saying islamic extremists, but what else would he say??

an already volatile region will be that much more so after this. more are already dead due to violence after the assassination...

it's a shame tho that political differences can cost you your life. she should never have gone back, she had to have known this was a very real threat to her life to return to pakistan.

Cannon Shell 12-27-2007 09:35 PM

Virtually any information out of places like Pakistian is shady at best, complete lies at worst. Americans must realize that as biased and flawed as our own media is, that most of what we hear as the general public about places like this and people like her is b.s.

I do know that if she was the enemy of people who blow themselves up then she probably was closer to friend than foe.

Danzig 12-27-2007 09:42 PM

i doubt she could be worse than ol pervez, who certainly seems to know how to work our current administration.
i hope they're able to figure out who was behind it. a damn shame tho.

Coach Pants 12-27-2007 10:18 PM



Looks like a typical Thursday at Calder.

Cannon Shell 12-27-2007 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i doubt she could be worse than ol pervez, who certainly seems to know how to work our current administration.
i hope they're able to figure out who was behind it. a damn shame tho.

The General is more helpful than anyone else in that region. I believe there are far worse alternatives than him, especially considering that they have nukes.

SentToStud 12-28-2007 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Virtually any information out of places like Pakistian is shady at best, complete lies at worst. Americans must realize that as biased and flawed as our own media is, that most of what we hear as the general public about places like this and people like her is b.s.

I do know that if she was the enemy of people who blow themselves up then she probably was closer to friend than foe.

You won't see anything informative on CNN, Fox or the networks, that's for sure. All you'll get is the two word sound-byte, "islamic extremists," uttered by politicians and analysts. Try BBC or The Jerusalem Post if you care to actually learn about that part of the world.

Funny, how when this kind of violence was going on in Ireland for decades, it was always political. Things haven't changed too much.

As an aside, Haliburton held up well in yesterday's sell-off. Imagine that.

SentToStud 12-28-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants


Looks like a typical Thursday at Calder.

LOL. Good picture.

Nice to see your sisters together again, enjoying a day at the races.

ArlJim78 12-28-2007 11:24 AM

I think its naive to see this as anything other than a political assassination.
even if it turns out that it was actually carried out by "extremists", al qaida, etc. It happened with the tacit approval of Musharraf who made sure there was no security for Bhutto.

The election should go on imo, Musharraf would be routed. But everyone is advising that it would be too chaotic to hold the election. don't let the thugs win.

Coach Pants 12-28-2007 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I think its naive to see this as anything other than a political assassination.
even if it turns out that it was actually carried out by "extremists", al qaida, etc. It happened with the tacit approval of Musharraf who made sure there was no security for Bhutto.

The election should go on imo, Musharraf would be routed. But everyone is advising that it would be too chaotic to hold the election. don't let the thugs win.

Sharif don't like it
Rock the Casbah
Rock the Casbah

pgardn 12-28-2007 01:03 PM

I liked The Clash.

Seems to me she chose to be a martyr.
The security was bad. She was told not
to go to many places and she did anyway.

I bet Cheney is telling GW this will stabilize things.

somerfrost 12-28-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I liked The Clash.

Seems to me she chose to be a martyr.
The security was bad. She was told not
to go to many places and she did anyway.

I bet Cheney is telling GW this will stabilize things.



From all I hear, she was a decent sort...it's a sad thing. Of course a number of "regular" folks have died in the protests since her murder and we hear little if anything about them...loss of life should always be mourned. Least we fall victim to the concept that this only happens "over there", the names Emmett Till, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Bobby and John Kennedy...even Larry Flynt and George Wallace should be mentioned. Hatred is a universal concept and something so minor as a different skin color, religion, nationality or political point of view sparks the ugliest of human behavior. American politics has recently once again taken a turn toward demonization of individuals instead of debate of differences...I pray we don't have such a travesty here!

Coach Pants 12-28-2007 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
From all I hear, she was a decent sort...it's a sad thing. Of course a number of "regular" folks have died in the protests since her murder and we hear little if anything about them...loss of life should always be mourned. Least we fall victim to the concept that this only happens "over there", the names Emmett Till, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Bobby and John Kennedy...even Larry Flynt and George Wallace should be mentioned. Hatred is a universal concept and something so minor as a different skin color, religion, nationality or political point of view sparks the ugliest of human behavior. American politics has recently once again taken a turn toward demonization of individuals instead of debate of differences...I pray we don't have such a travesty here!

Get off your soapbox, Nancy.

somerfrost 12-28-2007 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Get off your soapbox, Nancy.


Have an original thought that actually matters...or do you have a another senseless picture?

ArlJim78 12-28-2007 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Get off your soapbox, Nancy.


somerfrost 12-28-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Recycling?

GenuineRisk 12-28-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The General is more helpful than anyone else in that region. I believe there are far worse alternatives than him, especially considering that they have nukes.

So you're saying a military dictatorship is preferable to a democracy? Just asking for clarification.

Coach Pants 12-28-2007 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Have an original thought that actually matters...or do you have a another senseless picture?

a another? Are you upset, Nancy? Keep asking for handouts, charity case.

somerfrost 12-28-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
a another? Are you upset, Nancy? Keep asking for handouts, charity case.

Good comeback....you need new material!

Coach Pants 12-28-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Good comeback....you need new material!

The DT Security Guard is here to protect you.

somerfrost 12-28-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
The DT Security Guard is here to protect you.

Lost me there...by the way, are you British?

Coach Pants 12-28-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Lost me there...by the way, are you British?

Ask ArlJim, he just checked my I.D. and told me to stay away from the ladies. I don't know what his problem is. Aren't you an old man?

somerfrost 12-28-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Ask ArlJim, he just checked my I.D. and told me to stay away from the ladies. I don't know what his problem is. Aren't you an old man?

Older than I'd like...just wondering cause nancy is a term the Brits use, if you are merely calling me a female name, I'd have thought you'd have used Buffy.

Coach Pants 12-28-2007 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Older than I'd like...just wondering cause nancy is a term the Brits use, if you are merely calling me a female name, I'd have thought you'd have used Buffy.

Why would I use Buffy? Buffy is too busy worrying about vampires to care about the Bhutto assassination and how the Bush administration is intolerant and thus an indirect cause of her death. That kind of psychotic drivel is left to Nancies a.k.a. the far left nut jobs who cripple the democratic party by turning the majority of the country against it.

Riot 12-28-2007 05:11 PM

I just heard on the news, unsure if accurate: when she was shot, she ducked down into the car, smashing her head on the sunroof and causing a skull fracture. The skull fracture was cause of death, not the gunshot wounds.

Cannon Shell 12-28-2007 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
So you're saying a military dictatorship is preferable to a democracy? Just asking for clarification.

Would you rather fine individuals like Ahmadrnejad or Saddam at the helm with Nukes? The idea that democracy as it is known by us is going to take hold and everything will be ok is foolish. The fact that most Paki citizens support Bin Laden makes me question the gov't that they will elect. It is obviously a complex situation that no one on this board really understands because as I said before ALL information and news from places like this is shady regardless of whether it is CNN or the BBC reporting it. The evil forces of the world know how to manipulate the masses via the media just as the legitimate govt's do.

The bs coming out of there today saying that the lady was killed by hitting her head was obviously a message to someone because it is not the kind of thing that would be released without a reason. That they determined her death without an autoposy makes this "news" suspect. The reasoning behind it being introduced in an international press conference is the question. Dead is dead, death by bullet, bomb or head blow is just semantics.

Antitrust32 12-28-2007 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Would you rather fine individuals like Ahmadrnejad or Saddam at the helm with Nukes? The idea that democracy as it is known by us is going to take hold and everything will be ok is foolish. The fact that most Paki citizens support Bin Laden makes me question the gov't that they will elect. It is obviously a complex situation that no one on this board really understands because as I said before ALL information and news from places like this is shady regardless of whether it is CNN or the BBC reporting it. The evil forces of the world know how to manipulate the masses via the media just as the legitimate govt's do.

The bs coming out of there today saying that the lady was killed by hitting her head was obviously a message to someone because it is not the kind of thing that would be released without a reason. That they determined her death without an autoposy makes this "news" suspect. The reasoning behind it being introduced in an international press conference is the question. Dead is dead, death by bullet, bomb or head blow is just semantics.

from what i gather from cnn.com if you just hit your head on the car sunroof and die you are not considered a martyr (even if bullets are grazing your skull and bombs are detonating all around you). If you get shot in the head and then hit it on the sunroof or get blown up than you are a martyr and that is a big deal to the Islams I guess. The guy that said she died by hitting her head does not want her to become a martyr according to cnn.

Danzig 12-28-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
So you're saying a military dictatorship is preferable to a democracy? Just asking for clarification.


well obviously not.
the problem here is whether the country will descend into anarchy and civil war, which is quite a problem considering they have about 100 nukes lying around, and al quaeda would love to get them.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-28-2007 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Would you rather fine individuals like Ahmadrnejad or Saddam at the helm with Nukes? The idea that democracy as it is known by us is going to take hold and everything will be ok is foolish.

Chuck,I wish you would of told this to GEEDUBBYA before he tried to get IRAQ to accept democracy.It's one thing to get rid of a dictator.It's a totally different thing to try to get Moslem's to accept Democracy.They worship a prophet who butchered those who wouldn't accept his authority.They are a lost cause.The name of the Islamic Democracies are? Jordan? Maybe? Malaysia is not a Democracy.Turkey is not a Democracy.You can't have a Democracy if you don't have a free press. The Anatolia News Agency doesn't cut it.You can't be a Democracy if ya have more rights for one sex than the other.What kind of Democracy has a state religion? A shitty one.What freedom of choice can one have(to choose a religion) when there is only one religion around you ? Islam is not pro -Democratic.So,don't ever expect those infected with it to amount to much.Right about now is where Somer injects the past sins of Christianity (to excuse the crap that ISLAM does 24/7.) Since I didn't say anything Pro Christian,I don't understand bringing up the Crusades( like it's an eraser for ISLAM to use over n' over again.)

The Indomitable DrugS 12-28-2007 11:18 PM

Why the hell have the gas prices here gone up a dime since she got offed?

Doesn't Pakistan import oil - thus meaning that you can't justify higher gas prices on the basis of this supposed newest excuse for unrest in the Middle East?

hi_im_god 12-29-2007 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Chuck,I wish you would of told this to GEEDUBBYA before he tried to get IRAQ to accept democracy.It's one thing to get rid of a dictator.It's a totally different thing to try to get Moslem's to accept Democracy.They worship a prophet who butchered those who wouldn't accept his authority.They are a lost cause.The name of the Islamic Democracies are? Jordan? Maybe? Malaysia is not a Democracy.Turkey is not a Democracy.You can't have a Democracy if you don't have a free press. The Anatolia News Agency doesn't cut it.You can't be a Democracy if ya have more rights for one sex than the other.What kind of Democracy has a state religion? A shitty one.What freedom of choice can one have(to choose a religion) when there is only one religion around you ? Islam is not pro -Democratic.So,don't ever expect those infected with it to amount to much.Right about now is where Somer injects the past sins of Christianity (to excuse the crap that ISLAM does 24/7.) Since I didn't say anything Pro Christian,I don't understand bringing up the Crusades( like it's an eraser for ISLAM to use over n' over again.)

"Chuck,I wish you would of told this to GEEDUBBYA before he tried to get IRAQ to accept democracy."

we should have aimed lower. bombing civilazations into feudalism is a realistic possibility.

"The name of the Islamic Democracies are?"

say jordan.

"Jordan?"

that's a monarchy.

"Turkey is not a Democracy."

despite the popularly elected government and stuff.

"What kind of Democracy has a state religion?"

great britain.

"You can't be a Democracy if ya have more rights for one sex than the other."

america wasn't a democracy until 1920.

"Since I didn't say anything Pro Christian,I don't understand bringing up the Crusades"

intolerant and factually inaccurate but not pro christian isn't an excuse. the crusades.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-29-2007 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
"Chuck,I wish you would of told this to GEEDUBBYA before he tried to get IRAQ to accept democracy."

we should have aimed lower. bombing civilazations into feudalism is a realistic possibility.

"The name of the Islamic Democracies are?"

say jordan.

"Jordan?"

that's a monarchy.

"Turkey is not a Democracy."

despite the popularly elected government and stuff.

"What kind of Democracy has a state religion?"

great britain.

"You can't be a Democracy if ya have more rights for one sex than the other."

america wasn't a democracy until 1920.

"Since I didn't say anything Pro Christian,I don't understand bringing up the Crusades"

intolerant and factually inaccurate but not pro christian isn't an excuse. the crusades.


Yea,ass hole that Monarchy is as close to a Democracy as Moslems are gunna get.No,ass hole,Turkey isn't a Democracy.They write laws very vaguely so they can actually enforce them very differently in any situation they please.They have no free press..They cut off YOUTUBE when somebody said something about their Country's founder..ATATURK.You are no God.You are just a big ass hole that returns a hard serve.You're a receiver,bitch.Countries can call themselves a democracy,but they aren't one 1)if they don't have free press,2)if they have a national religion,3)have different rights for each sex.To say that TURKEY is a Democracy is so far off.The civil rights there are crap.Women are raped in police stations there regularly,but hey,bitch God says it's a Democracy(just so he can stick up for Moslems....Somer will help you lick Moslem balls when he wakes up.)You both crave returning hard serves.Let me be 100% clear here.Moslems are the biggest problem of our times.Until we face up to that,and match their intensity,they will continue to act as if we are their bitch(es.)Funny you bring up tolerance.I don't know how you tolerate a religion that has zero respect for non-moslems.Their own prophet killed people that didn't want to accept his authority.That's the most intolerant religion there is,but we are suppose to be tolerant of their intolerance? Beautiful......You know what's amazing? You consider Turkey a Democracy.Well,if that's true, then people in Turkey should be able to be informed about the Armenian Genocide. The exact opposite is true.The citizens know very little about what took place,It is illegal to talk about it in Turkey.You can't just go read a book about it there.They have an information blackout about their genocide against the Armenians.They invite authorities from all involved to come to Ankara and "get the facts," but these conferences are always being cancelled by a judge 2 or 3 days before they actually are to begin.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-29-2007 04:03 AM

Each day,I talk to my friend who is stuck in Turkey.He is half Turk (by blood.)I know exactly what he has to do to survive in a Moslem country.First off,he was abused physically by his stepdad.Why,oh,because he dare be left- handed in a Moslem Country.Oh how dare he try to eat with that left hand.Does that sound like it would be tolerated in a Democracy? Also,he fasts during the month of RAMADAM.Why? Fear...He will be considered the Devil if he doesn't do it.Does he believe any part of the religion? No,he calls it a particular animal's waste matter. I just don't think it's the type of stuff that one should have to do in a Democracy.I don't consider that country a Democracy.

Danzig 12-29-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Why the hell have the gas prices here gone up a dime since she got offed?

Doesn't Pakistan import oil - thus meaning that you can't justify higher gas prices on the basis of this supposed newest excuse for unrest in the Middle East?

oil co's will use any pretense to jack up the price.

Coach Pants 12-29-2007 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
oil co's will use any pretense to jack up the price.

And I, for one, love it. I hope oil goes to $200 a barrel.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-29-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
And I, for one, love it. I hope oil goes to $200 a barrel.

You n' GEEDUBBYA agree there.


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