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golfer 12-24-2007 02:40 PM

Bulls Fire Skiles
 
Amazing that any NBA coach would get the heave ho before MSG's own...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3167808

Scav 12-24-2007 03:09 PM

I get the feeling this is to 'wake up' the Baby Bulls. Skiles was well liked around here and this is quite a surprise

golfer 12-24-2007 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I get the feeling this is to 'wake up' the Baby Bulls. Skiles was well liked around here and this is quite a surprise

He may have been well liked, but do you think he ever proved himself to be a quality coach? Why do you think the Bulls have started so slowly? Under-achieving or just not that good?

JJP 12-24-2007 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer
He may have been well liked, but do you think he ever proved himself to be a quality coach? Why do you think the Bulls have started so slowly? Under-achieving or just not that good?

THe answer to your question is they are not very good. Skiles got the most out of the limited talent for 3 years. A bad decision, IMO, and the heat should deservedly be on GM John Paxson.

packerbacker7964 12-24-2007 04:00 PM

Da Bulls brought this shait upon thier own. They shuld've been upfront and open with the players on the Kobe trade talk. Nothing breaks up a team more than secret talks behind closed doors.

SentToStud 12-24-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
Da Bulls brought this shait upon thier own. They shuld've been upfront and open with the players on the Kobe trade talk. Nothing breaks up a team more than secret talks behind closed doors.

Other than your backcourt shooting 25% for the year.

pmayjr 12-24-2007 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I get the feeling this is to 'wake up' the Baby Bulls. Skiles was well liked around here and this is quite a surprise

I think he's good at bringing talent and discipline out of a young team. I'd love to see him coauch the Wolves next year (I don't think Randy Wittman will be back).

King Glorious 12-25-2007 12:30 AM

It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls have all of those big guys and not a single one of them has any kind of post game. It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls don't have a single player that commands a double team. It is Skiles' fault though that Ben Gordon is still the go-to guy on that team. As terrific a talent as he is, when your go-to guy is a small shooting guard that relies on the long range jumper and doesn't really get to the basket too well and can be taken out defensively by longer defenders, your team is going to be in trouble. Especially when they are playing 4 on 5 because u don't have to guard any of the Bulls' big men, especially when it's Wallace on the floor.

Scav 12-25-2007 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls have all of those big guys and not a single one of them has any kind of post game. It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls don't have a single player that commands a double team. It is Skiles' fault though that Ben Gordon is still the go-to guy on that team. As terrific a talent as he is, when your go-to guy is a small shooting guard that relies on the long range jumper and doesn't really get to the basket too well and can be taken out defensively by longer defenders, your team is going to be in trouble. Especially when they are playing 4 on 5 because u don't have to guard any of the Bulls' big men, especially when it's Wallace on the floor.

It is close to 3 on 5 when Noah or Thomas is on the floor with Wallace. All they can do is dunk and make layups.

JJP 12-25-2007 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls have all of those big guys and not a single one of them has any kind of post game. It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls don't have a single player that commands a double team. It is Skiles' fault though that Ben Gordon is still the go-to guy on that team. As terrific a talent as he is, when your go-to guy is a small shooting guard that relies on the long range jumper and doesn't really get to the basket too well and can be taken out defensively by longer defenders, your team is going to be in trouble. Especially when they are playing 4 on 5 because u don't have to guard any of the Bulls' big men, especially when it's Wallace on the floor.

I don't know how much of them you see but it must be quite a bit because you are 100% correct.

GPK 12-25-2007 10:28 AM

Bulls suck
Bears suck
Cubs suck
White Sox suck
Blackhawks suck

I sure hope that field hockey team is good

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-25-2007 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Bulls suck
Bears suck
Cubs suck
White Sox suck
Blackhawks suck

I sure hope that field hockey team is good

bears do not suck..the beat the fudge packers twice this year....a good season..

packerbacker7964 12-25-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
bears do not suck..the beat the fudge packers twice this year....a good season..

Why the "fudge" part? Yeah Da Bears beat us twice this year. In fact they've beaten us the couple of times to the tune of 5 of the last 6 I think. BTW who does Da Bears play in the opening round of the playoffs?

Scav 12-25-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Bulls suck
Bears suck
Cubs suck
White Sox suck
Blackhawks suck

I sure hope that field hockey team is good

Your lucky it is Xmas and I am going to be nice to ALL today

pgardn 12-25-2007 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls have all of those big guys and not a single one of them has any kind of post game. It's not Skiles' fault that the Bulls don't have a single player that commands a double team. It is Skiles' fault though that Ben Gordon is still the go-to guy on that team. As terrific a talent as he is, when your go-to guy is a small shooting guard that relies on the long range jumper and doesn't really get to the basket too well and can be taken out defensively by longer defenders, your team is going to be in trouble. Especially when they are playing 4 on 5 because u don't have to guard any of the Bulls' big men, especially when it's Wallace on the floor.

Skiles had no say in drafting Noah?

Bulls knew exactly what they would get with this guy. A mobile big man with no offensive game unless you run. A good defensive help man off the ball if you have a defensive plan. Thats what he is. The Spurs will take him thank you.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-25-2007 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
Why the "fudge" part? Yeah Da Bears beat us twice this year. In fact they've beaten us the couple of times to the tune of 5 of the last 6 I think. BTW who does Da Bears play in the opening round of the playoffs?

its a hatred i grew up with in chi town .sorry nothing personal..you guys will be out like a fat kid playing dodge ball...farve will retire..

Scav 12-25-2007 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
its a hatred i grew up with in chi town .sorry nothing personal..you guys will be out like a fat kid playing dodge ball...farve will retire..

For sure

packerbacker7964 12-25-2007 02:51 PM

My God how do you guys deal with everyday life knowing Da Bears will always be the 1 and done Kings of the NFL? :D

King Glorious 12-25-2007 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Skiles had no say in drafting Noah?

Bulls knew exactly what they would get with this guy. A mobile big man with no offensive game unless you run. A good defensive help man off the ball if you have a defensive plan. Thats what he is. The Spurs will take him thank you.

At the point where the Bulls were picking, who else was there to take but Noah? The only other probables were maybe Rodney Stuckey or Al Thornton. Stuckey is a nice player but he's another guard which they didn't need. The argument could be made that Thornton should have been the pick there but I don't think Noah was a bad one. There just wasn't much left to choose from.

Scav 12-25-2007 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
My God how do you guys deal with everyday life knowing Da Bears will always be the 1 and done Kings of the NFL? :D

1 and done? Um, 1 and done is exactly what is going to happen to the Packers this year, they can't beat Dallas, and are the type of team that will get beat in the first round by a hot team.

2ndly, please remember that the '85 Bears were the best team of all time, there isn't a single team that could have kept up with them, and if you say this years NE you are out of your mind. Brady would have been shitting his pants with Wilbur Marshall, Otis Wilson and Singletary breathing down his neck every five minutes.

Scav 12-25-2007 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
At the point where the Bulls were picking, who else was there to take but Noah? The only other probables were maybe Rodney Stuckey or Al Thornton. Stuckey is a nice player but he's another guard which they didn't need. The argument could be made that Thornton should have been the pick there but I don't think Noah was a bad one. There just wasn't much left to choose from.

They could have easily traded the pick for Gasol which is EXACTLY what the Bulls need. The one negative about Paxson is that he is worried about giving up a mess of players for one guy, but there is only FIVE guys on the court. All you need in the NBA is 8 guys, and like 7 stiffs to eat up garbage time. If they could get a Gasol type player, this team would be fine.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-25-2007 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
1 and done? Um, 1 and done is exactly what is going to happen to the Packers this year, they can't beat Dallas, and are the type of team that will get beat in the first round by a hot team.

2ndly, please remember that the '85 Bears were the best team of all time, there isn't a single team that could have kept up with them, and if you say this years NE you are out of your mind. Brady would have been shitting his pants with Wilbur Marshall, Otis Wilson and Singletary breathing down his neck every five minutes.

mongo.... king richard dent head hunting .and moss would have got high/lowed by fencik/duerson...,, sweetness,,,no doubt scavs toast...

da bears

Cannon Shell 12-25-2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

2ndly, please remember that the '85 Bears were the best team of all time, there isn't a single team that could have kept up with them, and if you say this years NE you are out of your mind. Brady would have been shitting his pants with Wilbur Marshall, Otis Wilson and Singletary breathing down his neck every five minutes.

Miami did a good job keeping up with them

Cannon Shell 12-25-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
They could have easily traded the pick for Gasol which is EXACTLY what the Bulls need. The one negative about Paxson is that he is worried about giving up a mess of players for one guy, but there is only FIVE guys on the court. All you need in the NBA is 8 guys, and like 7 stiffs to eat up garbage time. If they could get a Gasol type player, this team would be fine.

Why would Memphis trade Gasol for that pick? Chicago is screwed because they are a transition team who cant play any other style. Wallace is washed up and is a huge drain on the salary cap. They dont have a single low post threat and they have not been particularly good or energetic on defense, the perimiter game is suspect, Deng has regressed, etc. What they should have done was try to reaquire Curry from the Knicks for Wallace. It would help Chicago and you know Isiah would make the trade for a washed up guy making 15 million a year..

Cannon Shell 12-25-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
They could have easily traded the pick for Gasol which is EXACTLY what the Bulls need. The one negative about Paxson is that he is worried about giving up a mess of players for one guy, but there is only FIVE guys on the court. All you need in the NBA is 8 guys, and like 7 stiffs to eat up garbage time. If they could get a Gasol type player, this team would be fine.

Why would Memphis trade Gasol for that pick? Chicago is screwed because they are a transition team who cant play any other style. Wallace is washed up and is a huge drain on the salary cap. They dont have a single low post threat and they have not been particularly good or energetic on defense, the perimiter game is suspect, Deng has regressed, etc. What they should have done was try to reaquire Curry from the Knicks for Wallace. It would help Chicago and you know Isiah would make the trade for a washed up guy making 15 million a year..

pgardn 12-25-2007 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Miami did a good job keeping up with them

Thats cause Miami had the best fast release QB of all-time.

Brady would not be sitting back in the pocket with a little paper umbrella in his mixed drink like he can do today.

I have never in my life seen a QB get as much time as Brady this year. Marino made his time. Take nothing away from Brady, he is a laser, but my goodness I think I could complete a few passes with as much time as he gets. Last few games he has actually been hit though.

Would have been a very interesting game. 85 Bears go to go down as one of, if not the greatest teams of all time.

pgardn 12-25-2007 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
At the point where the Bulls were picking, who else was there to take but Noah? The only other probables were maybe Rodney Stuckey or Al Thornton. Stuckey is a nice player but he's another guard which they didn't need. The argument could be made that Thornton should have been the pick there but I don't think Noah was a bad one. There just wasn't much left to choose from.

At this point, with the minutes Noah is getting, anyone would have done. Really would not have mattered. When you pick a guy that high for a spot you think you need... 12 min a game...

I think the player may not have been assessed properly. If Skiles really wanted a low post game from Noah.

King Glorious 12-25-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
At this point, with the minutes Noah is getting, anyone would have done. Really would not have mattered. When you pick a guy that high for a spot you think you need... 12 min a game...

I think the player may not have been assessed properly. If Skiles really wanted a low post game from Noah.

I don't think he was assessed wrong. I think that everyone knew exactly what Noah was/is. He's just like Tyrus Thomas and Ben Wallace. Guys that are limited offensively but active on the defensive end. Maybe trading the pick would have been the move to make but there really wasn't another player for them to take at that point. When there isn't a player that a team can draft to help fill a specific need, that's when you resort to taking the best player available at that point. They now have enough pieces to make a move though and get different ones that fit. The team they have now just doesn't fit well on the court but I think that if Paxson decides to grow some balls and make a move, this team could be right back in the thick of things in the East.

pgardn 12-25-2007 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't think he was assessed wrong. I think that everyone knew exactly what Noah was/is. He's just like Tyrus Thomas and Ben Wallace. Guys that are limited offensively but active on the defensive end. Maybe trading the pick would have been the move to make but there really wasn't another player for them to take at that point. When there isn't a player that a team can draft to help fill a specific need, that's when you resort to taking the best player available at that point. They now have enough pieces to make a move though and get different ones that fit. The team they have now just doesn't fit well on the court but I think that if Paxson decides to grow some balls and make a move, this team could be right back in the thick of things in the East.

Except for Dennis Green.
He only knows exactly who the Bears are.

Scav 12-25-2007 06:41 PM

Tomorrow on Sportscenter is the 85' Bears vs 07' Patriots, looking forward to what Parcells has to say about the matchup

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-25-2007 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Tomorrow on Sportscenter is the 85' Bears vs 07' Patriots, looking forward to what Parcells has to say about the matchup

46-0 bears my friend...

JJP 12-25-2007 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
46-0 bears my friend...

I know one thing: the 85 Bears team would've roughed Moss up and made his life miserable.

Scav 12-25-2007 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
I know one thing: the 85 Bears team would've roughed Moss up and made his life miserable.

They would have ripped his head off. The thing is though that the 85' Bears style of play is a no-no in today's league. The Bears would have had at least 4 roughing or unsportsman conduct penalties per game


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