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Cannon Shell 12-20-2007 09:17 AM
GP changes
 
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42832


Magna press releases always rank high on the unintentional humor rankings

"The Pan-American should have a day to itself...."

SniperSB23 12-20-2007 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42832


Magna press releases always rank high on the unintentional humor rankings

"The Pan-American should have a day to itself...."
Wow, that may be the single greatest quote in press release history.

Coach Pants 12-20-2007 09:27 AM
So stadium seats go from 1,000 to 800 for the commoners. What I don't get is they're not having public canings for women who don't have Coach purses. I'm disappointed with public relations for overlooking that one.

gamblin4ever 12-20-2007 12:01 PM
Lets get rid of all stadium seating fill it up with owner boxes and make the common man stand outside in the parking lots looking at big screen tvs and placing bets at wagering terminals.Also, all graded stakes races should have their own days.:D

SniperSB23 12-20-2007 12:35 PM
I'm sure the trainers are lining up for the chance to run 9.5 furlongs three weeks before the Derby. :rolleyes:

SentToStud 12-20-2007 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever
Lets get rid of all stadium seating fill it up with owner boxes and make the common man stand outside in the parking lots looking at big screen tvs and placing bets at wagering terminals.Also, all graded stakes races should have their own days.:D
I was there on Florida Derby Day. We had seats about 50 feet before the finish line. There were more empty than taken seats in the grandstand that day, same as it was on Donn Day and same as Sun Millions Day.

If you really need something to rag on Gulfstream about, just take a look at the condition book.

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I'm sure the trainers are lining up for the chance to run 9.5 furlongs three weeks before the Derby. :rolleyes:

Feels like a Magna prep for the Preakness to me.

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SentToStud
If you really need something to rag on Gulfstream about, just take a look at the condition book.

Oh, there's plenty more to rag on Gulfstream about than that. Plenty more. Basically ruining a great place to spend the afternoon sums it up for me. They built the most uncomfortable place, from top to bottom, imaginable.

I won't return until they bulldoze it.....unless I'm getting paid.

Bystander 12-20-2007 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
So stadium seats go from 1,000 to 800 for the commoners. What I don't get is they're not having public canings for women who don't have Coach purses. I'm disappointed with public relations for overlooking that one.
This post deserves appaluse. I thought the same thing, though the caning is an extra-nice touch. And there is now a new pile of dirt at the 1/16th pole for us commoners to enjoy.

Now that I have your attention, what's up with the Ian Curtis avatar?

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 04:22 PM
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Now that I have your attention, what's up with the Ian Curtis avatar?
That's almost enough for me to wish I saw avatars.

gamblin4ever 12-20-2007 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I was there on Florida Derby Day. We had seats about 50 feet before the finish line. There were more empty than taken seats in the grandstand that day, same as it was on Donn Day and same as Sun Millions Day.

If you really need something to rag on Gulfstream about, just take a look at the condition book.
I was ragging on MAGNA not Gulfstream

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 04:44 PM
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It clearly is being redone for the casino gambler and the people that like to shop at high-end stores which are being put there. A tiki bar looks rather interesting.

Maybe they could get some of the women who are too pretty to be good exercise riders to work there.

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 04:50 PM
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Or maybe they could get a b-rate wannabe handicapper who doesn't even understand that horses "bounce", to do the handicapping seminar. :eek:

I'm available ( though I doubt I can live up to the b-rate level ).

However, judging from the brilliant insights you have offered here, and now seeing you also believe horses " bounce ", I will have to say I am even further entrenched in my beliefs.

gamblin4ever 12-20-2007 04:52 PM
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The place is under major construction. Valet parking is free right now because 75% of the parking lot is dirt and construction.

It clearly is being redone for the casino gambler and the people that like to shop at high-end stores which are being put there. A tiki bar looks rather interesting.

The racing there is pretty much terrible though. They must be determined to ruin their grass course because they wrote a ton of grass races for bad horses.

The purses blow. Because the NY crowd winters there, you have to beat very good horses to win very little money. If you are a trainer you are much better off at Oaklawn or Fairgrounds.
I like the racing @ FG and oaklawn better anyway

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 04:59 PM
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I am not the one who has to wear a dunce cap. :eek:

Your evaluation of Cowtown Cat and I believe Sam P, were right on. LOL

Dude! I just checked your posts from the past.....you thought Believeinmenow, the Jimmy Bond horse in the Count Fleet, was a Derby horse and that OutofGwedda was going to be the best sprinter in the country.

No matter how many losers I give out I could never have the worst opinion on Derby Trail as long as you're around.


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It is hard to say that about a horse that has won his last two races by 6 lengths and just threw in a bullet the other day. I think this horse can take Jimmy Bond to the Derby. I would love to see it after what happened with Buddha.

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This horse was brilliant until he got hurt. I hope they try to stretch him out but if he stays just a sprinter he could be very special. I am sure Pletcher learned from Keyed Entry, but a big race out of Gwedda could put him in against Nobiz in a few weeks. He could make that race very interesting.

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 05:08 PM
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Saying I think and "I am sure" are too different things. I was rooting and hoping for Bond. As for Out of Gwedda, I wasn't the only one who liked the horse. JV chose him over quite a few horses at the time.

Oh, I see, so suddenly people aren't accountable for bad opinions. Funny how quickly you changed your tune....and pretty sad too. It's easy to knock people who publicly go out on a limb, I guess, until someone throws it back in your face.

robfla 12-20-2007 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
ruining a great place to spend the afternoon sums it up for me. They built the most uncomfortable place, from top to bottom, imaginable..

Hit the nail right on the head there. Was a great place to relax in the winter sun, watch quality horse racing in a relaxing atmosphere.

Total opposite now. Now they herd you into tents and throw a few benches here and there. If you want to bet simulcast races you either have to sit in a stuffy room or under a tent with undesirables.

I didn't mind the temporary bleachers they put in last year.

Bystander 12-20-2007 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Magnanimous
No more tents or bleachers. I think you have to go to the simulcasting room now. The old tents/bleacher area is now a tiki bar.

The fact is they understand that with the future of High Definition tv and racing, very few are going to go to live racing anymore. If your racetrack doesn't have a casino or isn't named Saratoga or Del Mar, you can pretty much say goodbye to making a profit.

A casino will save Churchill and Belmont is dead unless they turn that into a casino.
Do you work for Magna, by any chance?
Is Gulfstream, following the “renovations” and dedication of space to casino endeavors, making a profit?

I don’t post much here, nor to I want to start some drawn out pissing match with you, but you’re spouting pure marketing crap. "They understand?" Just because they say it doesn’t mean it’s true.
If Gulfstream was to offer a decent racing product and, maybe, was to cater in any way to the bettor, the horseman, or the live-racing fan, perhaps they’d be in better shape than they are now and wouldn’t have to offer a conciliatory tiki bar and a mound of dirt.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-20-2007 06:28 PM
"F" Gulfstream.....Tampa Bay is now the new way!

fpsoxfan 12-20-2007 06:34 PM
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"F" Gulfstream.....Tampa Bay is now the new way!
Actually Hoffy, you're on to something. Each year I like Tampa more and more.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-20-2007 06:37 PM
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Actually Hoffy, you're on to something. Each year I like Tampa more and more.
Big fields, great turf course.....sure beats those 5k @ GP for horses that haven't a race in two years :rolleyes:

Fearless Leader 12-20-2007 06:41 PM
Tampa is a dump.

fpsoxfan 12-20-2007 06:46 PM
The facility itself may possibly be, but racing wise it's fun to bet.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-20-2007 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Fearless Leader
Tampa is a dump.
And the new Gulfstream is a gem???

If I wanna go shopping, I'll go to a mall...If I wanna go to the movies, I'll go to the mall...If I wanna go throw quarters in a slot, I'll go to a racino...
If I wanna play the ponies....It's a racetrack, I'll go to.....dump or not!

Fearless Leader 12-20-2007 06:51 PM
The new Gulfstream is an abomination. What is your point Hick? It doesn't change the previously stated fact.

fpsoxfan 12-20-2007 06:52 PM
The Tampa Bay Derby is becoming one of the key races on the TC Trail.
Can't be that bad.

fpsoxfan 12-20-2007 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fearless Leader
The new Gulfstream is an abomination. What is your point Hick? It doesn't change the previously stated fact.
I guess it depends on what you are comparing the track to.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-20-2007 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fearless Leader
The new Gulfstream is an abomination. What is your point Hick? It doesn't change the previously stated fact.
I agree with that. Point is...I don't care what the track looks like.....I'm there to play the horses...not the scenery!
Any more questions???

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2007 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
I agree with that. Point is...I don't care what the track looks like.....I'm there to play the horses...not the scenery!
Any more questions???

It's two different discussions.

I played hard there last winter and did extremely well. I am looking forward to playing starting in a couple of weeks. However, I also spent many great winters at the former Gulfstream, and after visiting in 2006 for a weekend I have no plans to go back. It's unfortunate, as I loved spending time there and have many friends there. I just find the new place a completely unenjoyable spot.....especially for South Florida in the winter.

fpsoxfan 12-20-2007 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's two different discussions.

I played hard there last winter and did extremely well. I am looking forward to playing starting in a couple of weeks. However, I also spent many great winters at the former Gulfstream, and after visiting in 2006 for a weekend I have no plans to go back. It's unfortunate, as I loved spending time there and have many friends there. I just find the new place a completely unenjoyable spot.....especially for South Florida in the winter.
Interesting insight Andy, especially for us New Yorkers who haven't been to either place. I'm not sure why, but I've really enjoyed the races from Tampa.
I've been to Tampa a few times, but not the track. Is it in a good section of the city?

Coach Pants 12-20-2007 07:31 PM
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Now that I have your attention, what's up with the Ian Curtis avatar?
Just a tribute to a great artist.


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