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Kasept 12-19-2007 04:26 AM

12/22: HOL Futurity (Gr. I)
 
Nomination PP's: http://www.hollywoodpark.com/bet_the...l_futurity.pdf

9th (4:35) CashCall Futurity (G1)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Sierra Sunset Baze R A 121 L
2 Massive Drama Desormeaux K J 121 L
3 Overextended Garcia M 121 L
4 Eaton's Gift Bejarano R 121 L
5 Indian Sun Solis A 121 L
6 SCR
7 Tres Borrachos Flores D R 121 L
8 Colonel John Nakatani C S 121 L
9 Shore Do Baze M C 121 Blk-Off L
10 Monba Gomez G K 121 L
11 Old Man Buck Valenzuela P A 121 L
12 Into Mischief Espinoza V 121 L
13 Meal Penalty Dominguez R A 121 Blk-On L
14 Referee Leparoux J R 121 L

whodey17 12-19-2007 08:32 AM

I sort of like Indian Sun if he goes.

Coach Pants 12-19-2007 09:44 AM

I wonder how Into Mischief is doing? Honu?

GPK 12-19-2007 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I wonder how Into Mischief is doing? Honu?

I got a workout notice for him the other day

Horse name Into Mischief
Notes
Activity type Workout
Activity date 12-17-2007
Track Hollywood Park
Surface All Weather Track
Distance 5 Furlongs
Workout type Handily
Workout time 1:02.60
Track condition Fast

the_fat_man 12-19-2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Interesting spot IMO for Old Man Buck. he ran alright at keeneland on the poly, so maybe he takes to the cushion at Hollywood. He is certainly a nice horse on turf.

Interesting take, by a trip handicapper, on a horse that has had incredibly good fortune. If I didn't know better, I'd think that Motion (Mr. BIG ASS when it comes to racing luck) was the trainer of this horse.

OMB lucked out when facing Cherokee Triangle a few times on the turf early, when the latter was having seriously running-straight-in-the-lane issues and was probably best. (I'd venture a guess that CT DOESN'T LIKE OFF TURF). And, then, last time out, he gets Desormeaux's best ride of the year. KD steers him to the best part of the track early and gets a clear run in the lane while Seaspeak, stupidly kept inside on the backstretch--where divets are flying all over the place-- was doing left and right turns (and I mean this horse was all over the place) in the stretch courtesy of his jock's excessive whipping.

Just a thought.

NTamm1215 12-19-2007 03:27 PM

The field:

1 Sierra Sunset Baze R A 121 L
2 Massive Drama Desormeaux K J 121 L
3 Overextended Garcia M 121 L
4 Eaton's Gift Bejarano R 121 L
5 Indian Sun Solis A 121 L
6 Slew's Tiznow Talamo J 121 L
7 Tres Borrachos Flores D R 121 L
8 Colonel John Nakatani C S 121 L
9 Shore Do Baze M C 121 Blk-Off L
10 Monba Gomez G K 121 L
11 Old Man Buck Valenzuela P A 121 L
12 Into Mischief Espinoza V 121 L
13 Meal Penalty Dominguez R A 121 Blk-On L
14 Referee Leparoux J R 121 L


Good luck!

NT

Rudeboyelvis 12-19-2007 06:16 PM

No Maimonides ??!! :( I know he's been training out there...Thought he would be going

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-19-2007 06:26 PM

cash call mile
 
...into mischief returns good luck honu

Duvalier 12-19-2007 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
No Maimonides ??!! :( I know he's been training out there...Thought he would be going

He's being pointed to the San Rafael Stakes at Santa Anita on Jan 12th.

Bobby Fischer 12-19-2007 07:44 PM

I don't feel I have an edge here.

Colonel John will be overbet, but is as good a win candidate as anyone, and should be the favorite. Massive Drama is a toss and one of the only useable expected underlays. Referee is the entry who I expect to have the best derby prep season, although not if he runs out west, where his talent is neutralized. At #14 he is an alternate...
Anything can happen here.


John,sunset,indian,monba,referee are my top 5 , but I wouldn't even put those 5 in an exacta.

pgiaco 12-19-2007 07:50 PM

Had this misfortune of running into Monba in his debut. Looked like a monster. I'll be taking a flyer on him.

Hoist Her Flag 12-19-2007 09:33 PM

Finally a Full Field
 
Nice to get a full field entered. The last 4 or 5 years this has been a NW of 2 race with 5 or 6 horses. Some speed, some closers, nice breeding. Good connections. Big earnings for the top 2, and some good seasoning for a lot of these horses.

miraja2 12-20-2007 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgiaco
Had this misfortune of running into Monba in his debut. Looked like a monster. I'll be taking a flyer on him.

I wasn't playing the day of Monba's debut, but how the hell does a colt like that go off at 10/1?
It isn't very often you see a 2yo colt with a pedigree and trainer like that go off at those odds. The three stallions in the most important spots in his pedigree (Maria's Mon, Easy Goer, and Silent Screen) were ALL 2yo champions. You don't see that very often. Add in Pletcher and I'm a bit shocked he didn't take more money in a MSW. Of course, I guess it is always a little easier after the fact.

In terms of this race, it looks pretty wide open to me.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-20-2007 03:57 PM

Is this called the Hollywood Futurity,or have they actually renamed it the Cashcall Futurity? Wow,I think it's the Cashcall Futurity now......How classy.

Kasept 12-21-2007 03:59 PM

SLEW'S TIZNOW a Scratch from the Futurity...

tiznowthegreat 12-21-2007 05:01 PM

Absolutely love Referee but hate the post. At least with the scratch he moves down one but they still start so close to the turn that it will be way too much to overcome. Still will put some money on him as I think he's the best in here but not that much the best and will need a great trip and ride to overcome.

eajinabi 12-22-2007 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
Absolutely love Referee but hate the post. At least with the scratch he moves down one but they still start so close to the turn that it will be way too much to overcome. Still will put some money on him as I think he's the best in here but not that much the best and will need a great trip and ride to overcome.


I know that Pletcher wants to win this one bad. He is chasing his own season tying record of graded stakes victories. He sends three in here. Its interesting to see these three worked out together on Dec 16th going 5 F.
Monba timed in 1:00 while the other two galloped out together in :59.60.

Of the three, I like Meal Penalty cause he is trying to shake thigs up by adding blinkers and a red hot jock in Ramon Dominguez. I dont see why Dominguez would if he did not think he had a legit chance of winning this.

Meal Plenty is my pick for this.

Bobby Fischer 12-22-2007 04:50 AM

It is interesting that Zayat would run two of his most talented 2yo sprinters against each other here. :confused:
He really has a good thing going with Massive Drama. Kafwain is almost a 6furlong sire, but people are starting to buy into the idea that this horse has potential at a route. Baffert has him on his toes. Eaton's Gift could be a real problem for MD. Last two were big impressive efforts. The way he did them, almost would indicate that he is a threat to freak if allowed to go all-out on a fast cushion track. They don't exactly compliment each other's styles.

Nakatani has had things his way with Colonel John and could well get another trip with the two Zayat colts and a couple other nice animals who attend the pace... He wants to sit a nice trip and time his run just off the big pace. His biggest obstacle would be one of the speed horses getting bold in the lane and having to take them on early.

after studying the race; i don't like Sunset or Monba all that much.
Should be Colonel John or Indian Sun, but Eaton's Gift, Referee, and Massive Drama all have an outside shot.

This is going to be one of those ultra-dynamic synthetic races that I am supposed to oppose, but it does look very interesting.

my miss storm cat 12-22-2007 09:33 AM

Eaton's Gift. :)

(Sentimental pick, Overextended but not this time.....)

NoChanceToDance 12-22-2007 09:52 AM

Not original, but I really like Colonel John.

Needs to improve a bit, but looks on the uograde and has no problems with the distance.

But hey, I'm a Euro, what do I know :p

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-22-2007 10:00 AM

MOMBA #10 - Value play
COLONEL JOHN #8 - Most likely
EATON'S GIFT #4 - Underneath top two
INTO MISCHIEF #12 - Underneath top two

the_fat_man 12-22-2007 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You make a few points. I happen to like Old Man Buck as a horse, I'm not trying to be clever or anything. He has no "trips" to speak of, I'm just a fan. Although we'll have to agree to disagree on his races with Cherokee triangle. You are right, CT did have some issues in the lane, but at no point, at least to me does it look like he is going by OMB. I suppose you can blame it on the turf, but it seems too convenient to me.

He was kept out of harm's way in the Grand Canyon, but I still think the best horse won that day. Sometimes horses that are the best going in, work out a good trip because they are the best. It's not like he is having the best trips ever in his races, just no trouble to speak of. I personally can't fault a horse for not finding trouble. I'm not betting the race as I'll be in no betting land in the Carolina's. But I just thought he was a bit interesting. I still think Colonel John might be a nice one. We'll see.

All I can suggest is that you take a close look at the headons of some of these races. OMB could win. I don't think there are any killers in here.

As for Colonel John, his last 2 races were nice but he got perfect setups (especially the last one) and I couldn't help but note that Grace Anatomy ran MUCH FASTER, at the same distance, than he did his 1st time out. Wonder why she's not in here. I'm serious

the_fat_man 12-22-2007 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
I know that Pletcher wants to win this one bad. He is chasing his own season tying record of graded stakes victories. He sends three in here.

I wonder why he didn't come back with THELEOPARD here.

mclem10011 12-22-2007 11:05 AM

My picks.....
 
Eaton's Gift
Monba
Into Mischief
Massive Drama

eajinabi 12-22-2007 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I wonder why he didn't come back with THELEOPARD here.


The Leopard is sticking to the Turf. His dirt races were horrible.

Bobby Fischer 12-22-2007 01:34 PM

moot?
 
scratch OLD MAN BUCK (the debate continues... :D )

This probably would be a good spot for The Leopard. I am guessing that they do want him on the turf for now, also they want to get use out of horses like Meal Penalty.

I am on the fence with MONBA. He may be very similar in style to Colonel John.

Mike 12-22-2007 02:53 PM

Indian Sun for me

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-22-2007 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I wonder how Into Mischief is doing? Honu?

well pillow..very well

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-22-2007 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
MOMBA #10 - Value play
COLONEL JOHN #8 - Most likely
EATON'S GIFT #4 - Underneath top two
INTO MISCHIEF #12 - Underneath top two

Well...three out of four, story of my life.
Momba finished "with interest" though.

azerica 12-22-2007 07:25 PM

Not a bad race at all. Nicely done...

Coach Pants 12-22-2007 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
well pillow..very well

I just threw up in my mouth a little. Didn't bet the race.

eajinabi 12-23-2007 12:52 AM

That was a good price on him

GPK 12-23-2007 07:02 AM

Great race by Into Mischief..


Congrats again Honu

PSH 12-23-2007 09:48 AM

Into Mischief
 
Congrats Honu...
Held on nicely going the two turns...
Certainly he has a lot of speed, i guess it is a process to harness that speed.
Made my day yesterday....

PSH


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