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Scav 12-12-2007 12:43 PM

Tejada to the Astros
 
Yet another monster in the NL Central for the Cubs to contend with

whodey17 12-12-2007 12:59 PM

The Astros need much much more than Tejada to be a contendar. I feel that they gave up way too much for him.

Cannon Shell 12-12-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
The Astros need much much more than Tejada to be a contendar. I feel that they gave up way too much for him.

I agree with your first sentence. I dont with the second. They gave up some fringe players. There are no studs in the gruop. Scott is 30 and is at best a 4th outfielder type. Albers is very average. Troy may be the only one with star potential and that is a stretch. The Orioles didn't get anywhere near the top prospects the Marlins did (not that Tejada is worth it)

None of these guys are a top 100 prospect

Crown@club 12-12-2007 03:24 PM

If Baltimore ever gets to 85-90 wins again, it won't be on the account of more than one player from this deal that would help do it.

Houston defense weakens as they see Everett as being non-tendered. Still you still have to have players get on base to score runs. Bourn and Matsui are not really known to get there.

2 Dollar Bill 12-12-2007 04:48 PM

Tejada to the Astros ??..... Can he Pitch ???:rolleyes:

MaTH716 12-12-2007 05:07 PM

It's going to suck for the Stros when Tejada is on the list tommorrow!

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-12-2007 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
It's going to suck for the Stros when Tejada is on the list tommorrow!

:D

dylbert 12-12-2007 06:26 PM

I like this batting order!
 
Bourn
Pence
Berkman
Lee
Tejada
Wigginton
Matsui
Towles
Pitcher

As lifelong Astros fan, it is nice to see GM do SOMETHING about offense. Adam Everett is great guy, but banjo hitters belonged in Astrodome not Minute Maid Park. Finally, building offense for hitter's park.

Yes, pitching is important. Astros have had some great pitching staffs in their history. When your staff has 3.00 ERA and hitters only produce 2 runs per games. You lose more than you win. If 3.00 becomes 4.00 and 2 becomes 5. You will win more than you lose!

pdrift1 12-12-2007 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
The Astros need much much more than Tejada to be a contendar. I feel that they gave up way too much for him.

i agree also-improved-most certainly- but need more i think also

Nascar1966 12-12-2007 10:40 PM

I will LOL if Tejada doesnt produce like the Astros think he can. Be funny to watch my Pirates beat the Astros for the season again. I can listen to the dum worthless fans as I leave Minute Maid proudly wearing my Pirates hat trying to me that my Pirates suck even though they start the season 2-0 which is a lot better the starting 0-2 where I come from. Shows the mentallity of the Astros fan base. What made it even better was that the Pirates swept the opening series of the year against the Astros, if im not mistaken didn't the Pirates also sweep the Astros the second series of the season between theses two teams. You Astros fans need a lot more than Tejada.

dylbert 12-12-2007 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966
I will LOL if Tejada doesnt produce like the Astros think he can. Be funny to watch my Pirates beat the Astros for the season again. I can listen to the dum worthless fans as I leave Minute Maid proudly wearing my Pirates hat trying to me that my Pirates suck even though they start the season 2-0 which is a lot better the starting 0-2 where I come from. Shows the mentallity of the Astros fan base. What made it even better was that the Pirates swept the opening series of the year against the Astros, if im not mistaken didn't the Pirates also sweep the Astros the second series of the season between theses two teams. You Astros fans need a lot more than Tejada.

How many straight losing season do Pirates now have? FIFTEEN. In 2008, going for tie with hapless Phillies of 1930s and 1940s.

I guess winning a season series from Astros (or any other team) is like winning World Series for bottom-dwelling Bucs.

Cannon Shell 12-13-2007 07:17 AM

Never thought I would see an Astros vs. Pirates debate here....


very interesting

Crown@club 12-13-2007 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dylbert
Bourn
Pence
Berkman
Lee
Tejada
Wigginton
Matsui
Towles
Pitcher

As lifelong Astros fan, it is nice to see GM do SOMETHING about offense. Adam Everett is great guy, but banjo hitters belonged in Astrodome not Minute Maid Park. Finally, building offense for hitter's park.

Yes, pitching is important. Astros have had some great pitching staffs in their history. When your staff has 3.00 ERA and hitters only produce 2 runs per games. You lose more than you win. If 3.00 becomes 4.00 and 2 becomes 5. You will win more than you lose!

More like lineup is going to be:
Bourn
Matsui
Berkman/Pence
Lee/Berkman
Pence/Lee
Tejada
Wigginton
Towles
Oswalt - can't pitch every other day though.

".......and there's 2 outs to start the game for the 9th time in the last 10 games." Poor Berkman

The Bid 12-13-2007 10:24 AM

Another cheater who will be outted this afternoon

NTamm1215 12-13-2007 10:25 AM

No matter what all the supposed experts have to say about the Astros, their lineup is significantly better now than it was at the start of the 2007 season. The pitching staff is a little shaky behind Oswalt, but he is a dominant #1.

I doubt the Astros make a big move for a pitcher, especially with the possibility of getting Jason Jennings back on the cheap.

Either way, there's something to be excited about when the Astros come to bat for the first time in a long time.

NT

philcski 12-13-2007 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Another cheater who will be outted this afternoon

Yup... just saying the same thing in the Mitchell guessing thread

MaTH716 12-13-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
It's going to suck for the Stros when Tejada is on the list tommorrow!

Houston, We have a problem!

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-13-2007 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
:D

:D ......:(

Nascar1966 12-13-2007 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dylbert
How many straight losing season do Pirates now have? FIFTEEN. In 2008, going for tie with hapless Phillies of 1930s and 1940s.

I guess winning a season series from Astros (or any other team) is like winning World Series for bottom-dwelling Bucs.


If the Pirates had the money like these other teams do, im sure it would be a different story.

MaTH716 12-13-2007 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
:D ......:(

Sorry HHH, I just couln't help myself.

whodey17 12-13-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I agree with your first sentence. I dont with the second. They gave up some fringe players. There are no studs in the gruop. Scott is 30 and is at best a 4th outfielder type. Albers is very average. Troy may be the only one with star potential and that is a stretch. The Orioles didn't get anywhere near the top prospects the Marlins did (not that Tejada is worth it)

None of these guys are a top 100 prospect

I see your point, but it is not like Tejada has any upswing at this point in his career. Troy Patton and Matt Albers were going to compete for a starting spot. I cannot see giving up two pitchers with starting potential for a 31 year old shortstop. I know the Astros have trouble scoring runs, but who on earth is going to pitch for them. They have no one after Oswalt. Pitcing and defense wins world series and I think Everett is a better defensive shortstop that Tejada and now they have worsen their pitching staff. The move doesn't make sense to me.

declansharbor 12-13-2007 06:17 PM

As fast as he was run out of here, Ed Wade can't outrun the nimbus clouds that stay above him. I'd actually feel sorry for him if he didn't have that money tree in his backyard. He'll make just enough moves to give people an inkling that his heart is still beating. Only problem is, the moves will NEVER be enough to bring a winner home.
Signed by someone who's been burnt by him for some time now. Not that burnt, lol...

Cannon Shell 12-13-2007 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
I see your point, but it is not like Tejada has any upswing at this point in his career. Troy Patton and Matt Albers were going to compete for a starting spot. I cannot see giving up two pitchers with starting potential for a 31 year old shortstop. I know the Astros have trouble scoring runs, but who on earth is going to pitch for them. They have no one after Oswalt. Pitcing and defense wins world series and I think Everett is a better defensive shortstop that Tejada and now they have worsen their pitching staff. The move doesn't make sense to me.

Albers is a below average pitcher and Patton is a double A prospect who is only a fair prospect and has a history of arm trouble. This is a good trade for Houston. They gave up a bunch of guys who aren't major league regulars and got a power hitting SS who fits the home park to a tee. If they were relying on Albers and Patton being in the rotation they were doomed anyway because those guys aren't very good.

whodey17 12-13-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Albers is a below average pitcher and Patton is a double A prospect who is only a fair prospect and has a history of arm trouble. This is a good trade for Houston. They gave up a bunch of guys who aren't major league regulars and got a power hitting SS who fits the home park to a tee. If they were relying on Albers and Patton being in the rotation they were doomed anyway because those guys aren't very good.

They arent very good. But I think they are a better option than a shortstop who is 31 and on the decline. I would be very surprised to see Tejada hit more than 35 hr's this year. Be interesting to see what happens in a couple of years. In my opinion, give up those 5 guys for a mediocre pitcher instead of Tejada.

SniperSB23 12-13-2007 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
They arent very good. But I think they are a better option than a shortstop who is 31 and on the decline. I would be very surprised to see Tejada hit more than 35 hr's this year. Be interesting to see what happens in a couple of years. In my opinion, give up those 5 guys for a mediocre pitcher instead of Tejada.

More than 35? If he hits more than 35 then this trade is an absolute steal. If he hits .300 with 20 HRs and 90 RBIs the trade will work out just fine. The only thing I'd be worried about if I was the Astros is if his body wears down and he spends most of the season on the DL.

Cannon Shell 12-13-2007 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
More than 35? If he hits more than 35 then this trade is an absolute steal. If he hits .300 with 20 HRs and 90 RBIs the trade will work out just fine. The only thing I'd be worried about if I was the Astros is if his body wears down and he spends most of the season on the DL.

If he does nothing they dont lose much becase they gave up no impact guys. I can see him hitting .285 28HR 95 RBI's in Minute Maid. Plus he gets to play in Miller Park, Wrigley and Great American a lot. Not to mention that going to the NL should negate the loss of the juice.

Cannon Shell 12-13-2007 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whodey17
They arent very good. But I think they are a better option than a shortstop who is 31 and on the decline. I would be very surprised to see Tejada hit more than 35 hr's this year. Be interesting to see what happens in a couple of years. In my opinion, give up those 5 guys for a mediocre pitcher instead of Tejada.

Tejada is worth a whole lot more than a mediocre pitcher. They already have a bunch of them.

Mortimer 12-13-2007 09:52 PM

Is this trade for real?






Herbstreit got any poop on it?

Cannon Shell 12-13-2007 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Is this trade for real.






Herbstreit got any poop on it?

He only does Tigers and Indians rumors

Mortimer 12-13-2007 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He only does Tigers and Indians rumors



Oh.


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