Mitt's Speech...and a rebuttal
 

Romney showed himself clearly in yesterday's speech. Scarey stuff!
Here are his words, and a very good rebuttal of his insanity.
http://newsforreal.com/

Hard to take a guy named Mitt seriously

Go Mitt!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you ever back a winner?

Mitt's from Michigan, that is why I back him.


Do I ever back a winner??? Let's see:

I've backed the 49ers my entire life, they were winners (not so much anymore, but I still back them)

Notre Dame, they are always winners.

I've backed the Lakers my entire life, this has been the most recent big winners that I back.

I back the Red Wings, they are always winners.

I back the Tigers, they are now winners finally!

I back the Republican party, they are winners.

"I back the Republican party, they are winners."

so what do you do when your party devoures your candidate?

i rarely engage in political astrology but i think you're about to see your homeboy torn asunder mort style.

nice guy. might have miscalculated that the nutjob wing would embrace him.

i guess that's the price he pays for trashing his beliefs for ambition.

it's almost biblical.

While I'm not high on mitt as a candidate, I don't see what he did wrong. It's obviously a, as he put it, non-theist author attacking religion as a whole. I fail to see how his religion(mormon) was even under discussion. In fact the authors sole intent is knock any type of religion. I believe most if not all the candidates believe in god, or allah or whatever. I fail to see how his mormon faith came into context at all here, but maybe i'm missing something.

I just dont like his name. That is what the modern day voter focuses on right?

but in the people of the book segment below the speech article, parts of the mormon religion are discussed. now much of it sounds outlandish, when put in it's simplest terms. but to be brutally honest, all religions have aspects that are pretty unbelievable, but survive due to faith. it's not as tho the mormons have a monopoly on that.

He's attacking religion as a whole not just the mormon faith. His oversimplication of the bible is sad at best....

the only problem with mormonism is their history is so recent that anyone with an interest can read original documents. seer stones and plates of gold read out of a hat? what?

scientology gets bad press because mcdonald's has been around longer and their founder wrote bad science fiction. and everyone knows it.

i think once too many people became literate it was too late to found a new religion.

you can't just make this shite up anymore. people ask questions.

other than about their own beliefs which are sacred and beyond doubt.

To me, these are two seperate discussions. You are right...Romney is trying to lump Mormons into every religious category there is so he can fly under the "I have faith" banner..I'm no different than Catholics etc. So..

1) Check out "Under the Banner of Heaven"...That will give you an idea of what Mormons were really about and where they came from. There are specific issues I have with the Mormon faith and they are very clear in this book.

2) DTS55 doesn't care about Mormons...it's about religion and how they try and stuff their beliefs down our throats because we are "One Nation Founded Under god" We are all free to worship whatever god we want...until it ain't the one we believe in. Then the fun begins

better we all stand back and let them do what they do best.

(crunch) (crack!) chew. chew. chew.

it's a tribal thing. who knew republicans were so similar to arabs?

at what risk?

never mind..

see dubya

GbBob,
You are correct. I have nothing against Mormons. They should be allowed the same freedoms granted in the First Amendment as EVERYONE else.
The Constitution is quite clear that there is to be NO state sponsored religion imposed on its citizens, and that includes those that do not wish to subscribe to any religion. Romney blurred that distinction in his speech.
Freedom should not have qualifications or interpretations but should be inclusive of ALL of the populace.

I don't get it. Are you saying most Arab-Americans are Republicans?

I will play political astrologer.
If Mitt happens to get the GOP
nomination, welcome a Democrat
back as president.

It is apparent ideas on solving major problems
have very little
to do with a candidate's popularity.
Name recognition through good speaking,
physical attributes, party association, and finally
major personal prefrences out
of the mainstream, seem to play
THE central role in who we back.

Mitt is a Mormon. He is cooked with the public...
with his own party.

Take McCain. He has to be considered a major
player but is not. He is not a good speaker.
He screwed around a whole lot as a pilot.
People will tell you he backs the war too much.
That, imo, is an excuse because he comes off so poorly
on TV. Huckabee comes across very well on TV.
If Huckabee had McCain's lack of persona, he would never
had a dime in contributions.

It is possible that a very good president to
be, could be a poor TV personality, ugly, have
a wife or husband that worships Thor, and...
we will never see this person as a president.

Image is everything. Substance... hell, we cant
even get to substance because WE dont want
substance.WE cant handle substance. Because if a candidate
says one thing we disagree with, cross em off.

So...
they dance around the issues, hoping not to hack
off anyone. WE WON'T let them tell us what they really
think. And we vote for those that dance around
the issues most deftly and then are able to convincingly
frame other candidates with specifics (that are usually
embellished).
WE cant handle specifics.

and it's funny that many christians take offense when a muslim suggests that their religion is the only true one, and then christians do the same thing. baptists sneer at catholics, catholics at mormons, mormons at scientologists.

peegarden's rant cont...

Health care is a major issue.
The UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA already has health care, it just does not work
for what is becoming a larger portion of the population.
So any plan that is presented, is easily torn down as
the Worst possible scenario: Socialized Medicine...
God help us all...

"Why Rudi, your idea about so and so, is really Socialized
Medicine." We already have socialized medicine.
The Govt already plays a huge role
in health care.
But the Government does not own the vast majority of
hospitals, and the Doctors are not in the employ of the
Government. THIS IS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

"Why Mike, that last little section in your health care plan,
why MIke that is clearly Socialized Medicine."
So Mike will not put out a clear plan. No one will.
And folks who say we dont need a plan,
the government needs to stay out...
well open your eyes, the government already has a
plan firmly in place that is costing money.

By definition in this country (as presented
by politicians this country) we already
have socialized medicine because the
govt. IS deeply involved with health care AT PRESENT.

WE cant handle specifics. So politicians wont give em to us.

I don't think he is cooked with the public..I think he is cooked with the religous right wing of the Repub party. This is a big generalization/stretch, but if Romney was a Democrat and had a true Dem platform, I think he would be nominated, maybe even elected. But the extreme Christian right can't handle a Mormon, or anyone else for that matter getting the nomination and that's why he probably won't get nominated. Their numbers are very large and they vote.

I went to church. (Was not struck by an electrical storm)
A Catholic church, mainly because I
am Catholic (supposed to be).

The older Catholics that want a Rep.
(pro-life) Dont want Mitt. My little world,
my little poll. JFK... hmmm. You think
they would realize the contradiction.

These older folks. They WILL vote.
In large numbers.

Pgardn my friend,
At issue is not "health care".
At issue is freedom of, or freedom from, religion.
In my humble view, Romney cooked himself in his pathetic speech. Huckabee, though quite appealing to the evangelicals, is also as scarey. His agenda, as a Southern Baptist preacher, will place the presidency in the hands of yet another "ordained" leader, as we have presently.
Damn the Constitution. Welcome to the American Taliban!
DTS

DTS..Not to be obvious, but it's a numbers game. You and I agree...well, he was cooked in our minds before the speech, but he also endeared himself to probably just as many as he may have scared. Hence the "ovation" blips in your transcript

My rant was on the system that gives us our choices.
The system to fit what WE want to hear.

Health Care was merely and example.

PG and GbBob,
Both correct. All of 'em pander to the numbers, the sheep that they (wolves) wish to comfort. Sounds like "the blind leading the blind" to me.
It's just a matter of time until the consequeces of their actions demand reaction. Believe me, it will be. Sooner better than later.
If not, this once great nation is doomed to follow Rome's example.

I am a practicing Catholic who attends church every Sunday, and I am not really backing Mitt. I like him because he is from Michigan like me, but he is not my choice. Just thought I would clear that up.

Irish,
I like ya, guy.
But I'm a little confused.
Do you like Mitt because of his proximity (Michigan) like yourself, or do his statements have any bearing?
Thanks for clearing this up further.

I see you're back with your hysterical nonsense once again. Please take us step by step how it so happens that if a person like Romney or Huckabee were to become president that its the same as an American Taliban?
how does either of these guys jeopardize freedom from religion?
please be specific and reference policies they support or actions they took as govenors that lead you to this conclusion.

I want to know how romney is trying to push state sponsored religion. I must be missing something major in his speech.

He is not.
In fact Mitt has to do
exactly the opposite.

He has state very clearly
that he takes the separation
of church and state clearly.

If anyone MUST make these statements,
it is Romney. And he has.

If Romney had rejected Mormonism,
and become some sort of WASP,
he would have a chance. He has zero shot.

When people go to vote, the will say they have
no problem with Romney being Mormon. But they do,
and they will not vote for him. I'll put money on Romney
not becoming the Rep. nominee. Taking bets now.

i'd like to take this moment to remind everyone that the president does not make laws. nor can he suddenly change a part of the constitution. i'm sure everyone remembers all that from civics class.

to tell you the truth, I don't really know much about Mitt besides the fact he is from Michigan. His mormone religion is obviously a lot different than my Catholic religion. I just stated GO MITT because he is from Michigan, but he is not my choice for president.

ArlJim,
Don't label my views as "hyterical nonsense". I've previously seen what those that have "religious agendas" have done to people in the name of their "god".
Can you remember anything about those that flew planes into the Twin Towers? Or Robertson? or Hagee? Or even our beloved president's "crusade comment"?
You are indeed deluded if you don't think that one's religious beliefs don't influence their own actions.
Romney has already made his statements. Go back and read the link.
Huckabee has done so as well. Google it.
DTS

GW did not take that class.

Especially reguarding "enemy combatants".

as for huckabee, he may have bigger issues to deal with:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316228,00.html

But he does speak to a higher "father".
Can we have another signing statement?
What Constitution? What's that?
What me worry?
The "smirking chimp" has spoken, and he ain't wearing any clothes.

I used to be a morman but then the Osmonds kicked me out because I was singing off key.

These are recent quotes from Huckabee. I'm not sure how they can be interpreted as anything other than jeoprdizing freedom from religion.

" Science changes with every generation and with new discoveries, and God doesn't...So I'll stick with God if the two are in conflict"

he will oppose gay marriage until " Moses comes down with two stone tablets from Brokeback Mountain saying he's changed the rules."

"If you're with Jesus Christ, we know how it turns out in the final moment. I've read the last chapter in the book, and we do end up winning."

I respect and even envy those with strong faith, no matter who the deity. But this guy, IMO, will clearly let his beliefs determine policy

Romney never let his religion come into play when he was governor. I didn't even know he was a morman until the media started playing it up when he announced his bid for president.

i just hope whoever does end up winning doesn't turn out to be a complete embarrassment with no credibility.

i know that the president is head of foreign policy. can't help but think that maybe that should change. why should our approach to other countries go thru a change every four years?

i don't know that i'd say bush is our worst ever (he's not our first bad one for sure!!) but is he our worst two-term president ever? that may be the case.