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cakes44 11-05-2007 07:07 AM

Guidry
 
After that ride in the 10th yesterday at Churchill, it's time to retire, Mark. Speed and the rail were golden, so Mark hustles up to the lead, sets easy fractions for Churchill, then for some reason I cannot fathom, goes 5 wide into the stretch, letting the 1 and 2 finishers through on the golden rail, and he finishes third. Amazingly bad ride on the best horse in the race.

Bobby Fischer 11-05-2007 09:23 AM

The couple that passed him had an awful lot of horse IMO.

Guidry sure did take a wide path though. There was some pressure to his outside entering the turn, I wander if he was trying to take them wide? Not the greatest tactic, since the turn takes them wide anyway and the rail is a vulnerable spot.
Has Wilkes/Borel been on fire or what!?
I don't know , IMO Guidry would have needed to anticipate the the rail move (maybe he should have), and hope to intimidated/block with his horse and whip to hold on as good as they were finishing.
Also note the right hand action of Guidry in the stretch trying to get his horse to stop fading out , as well as the horses head looking a bit right... although all this was after the fact of going wide on the turn.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 11-05-2007 09:59 PM

well tha guids fortay has never been on frontrunners lol but there could be several reasons why that happened, anyways he is retiring at the end of this meet

The Bid 11-06-2007 08:47 AM

Why would anyone anticipate a fellow pinhead taking the shortest and winning route home, that being the rail.

bellsbendboy 11-06-2007 10:37 AM

Using generally accepted handicapping principles there is little, if any, evidence to support the theory that Banbury Cross was the "best" horse.

He was an unstarted maiden thirty days before Sundays race and even then debuted at Hoosier, one day before Keeneland opened. Trainers looking to earn purse money do not generally select a $14K purse over the rich $50K Keeneland pays, and Jeff is a solid conditioner.

Banbury Cross is a head case to say the least, but since you do not geld Storm Cat's, Jeff is doing the best he can. After winning at Hoosier, he was a good second at Keeneland despite acting like the fool he is, but was run down by a claimer coming off the shelf.

The best horse won the race. Five Star Dawn's last three are faster than that field had run, he needed his last yet came home very fast, in a rare flipped race. He was gelded prior to that effort and worked back very quickly.

As for Guidry, he took corrective action by tatooing the rogue repeatedly right handed. Tired horses drift, especially when Churchill is dry and all day Sunday riders' kept there mounts wide turning for home. Coming into the stretch the days winners were; 4wide, 2 wide, 5 wide, 4 wide, 6 wide 2 wide and 4 wide. Handicappers often disagree before a race, and occasionally after one, but this is cappin 101 stuff.

As for the respondent that called Guidry a pin head you are entitled to your opinion. Guidry started riding the bush tracks at nine years old, at sixteen he rode pari-mutuel also in Louisiana. He has ridden over 5,000 winners. He is articulate and a terrific advocate for the sport and will be a steward in the very near future. Smart money says he is a better rider than you are a handicapper, whoever you are. BBB

Coach Pants 11-06-2007 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy
Using generally accepted handicapping principles there is little, if any, evidence to support the theory that Banbury Cross was the "best" horse.

He was an unstarted maiden thirty days before Sundays race and even then debuted at Hoosier, one day before Keeneland opened. Trainers looking to earn purse money do not generally select a $14K purse over the rich $50K Keeneland pays, and Jeff is a solid conditioner.

Banbury Cross is a head case to say the least, but since you do not geld Storm Cat's, Jeff is doing the best he can. After winning at Hoosier, he was a good second at Keeneland despite acting like the fool he is, but was run down by a claimer coming off the shelf.

The best horse won the race. Five Star Dawn's last three are faster than that field had run, he needed his last yet came home very fast, in a rare flipped race. He was gelded prior to that effort and worked back very quickly.

As for Guidry, he took corrective action by tatooing the rogue repeatedly right handed. Tired horses drift, especially when Churchill is dry and all day Sunday riders' kept there mounts wide turning for home. Coming into the stretch the days winners were; 4wide, 2 wide, 5 wide, 4 wide, 6 wide 2 wide and 4 wide. Handicappers often disagree before a race, and occasionally after one, but this is cappin 101 stuff.

As for the respondent that called Guidry a pin head you are entitled to your opinion. Guidry started riding the bush tracks at nine years old, at sixteen he rode pari-mutuel also in Louisiana. He has ridden over 5,000 winners. He is articulate and a terrific advocate for the sport and will be a steward in the very near future. Smart money says he is a better rider than you are a handicapper, whoever you are. BBB


cakes44 11-06-2007 10:43 AM

BBB is back baby! How many thousands did you win this weekend my man?

I'm not sure if some people on this board realize how lucky they are to be graced by the presence of your expertise(abeit in your own mind with imaginary redboards and tales of $30 pick 6s), but I definitely don't take it for granted.

notyep59 11-06-2007 10:51 AM

the next time the wife asks whats taking so long in there, I will have to answer, "I'm tatooing the rogue!" do people really talk this way??

SentToStud 11-06-2007 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy
Using generally accepted handicapping principles there is little, if any, evidence to support the theory that Banbury Cross was the "best" horse.

He was an unstarted maiden thirty days before Sundays race and even then debuted at Hoosier, one day before Keeneland opened. Trainers looking to earn purse money do not generally select a $14K purse over the rich $50K Keeneland pays, and Jeff is a solid conditioner.

Banbury Cross is a head case to say the least, but since you do not geld Storm Cat's, Jeff is doing the best he can. After winning at Hoosier, he was a good second at Keeneland despite acting like the fool he is, but was run down by a claimer coming off the shelf.

The best horse won the race. Five Star Dawn's last three are faster than that field had run, he needed his last yet came home very fast, in a rare flipped race. He was gelded prior to that effort and worked back very quickly.

As for Guidry, he took corrective action by tatooing the rogue repeatedly right handed. Tired horses drift, especially when Churchill is dry and all day Sunday riders' kept there mounts wide turning for home. Coming into the stretch the days winners were; 4wide, 2 wide, 5 wide, 4 wide, 6 wide 2 wide and 4 wide. Handicappers often disagree before a race, and occasionally after one, but this is cappin 101 stuff.

As for the respondent that called Guidry a pin head you are entitled to your opinion. Guidry started riding the bush tracks at nine years old, at sixteen he rode pari-mutuel also in Louisiana. He has ridden over 5,000 winners. He is articulate and a terrific advocate for the sport and will be a steward in the very near future. Smart money says he is a better rider than you are a handicapper, whoever you are. BBB

Guidry also started a 15 year drug binge in the 80's that kept him from being a very good rider.

He was far better when he was 20 than he has been for years. You left that part out.

ArlJim78 11-06-2007 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy
Using generally accepted handicapping principles there is little, if any, evidence to support the theory that Banbury Cross was the "best" horse.

He was an unstarted maiden thirty days before Sundays race and even then debuted at Hoosier, one day before Keeneland opened. Trainers looking to earn purse money do not generally select a $14K purse over the rich $50K Keeneland pays, and Jeff is a solid conditioner.

Banbury Cross is a head case to say the least, but since you do not geld Storm Cat's, Jeff is doing the best he can. After winning at Hoosier, he was a good second at Keeneland despite acting like the fool he is, but was run down by a claimer coming off the shelf.

The best horse won the race. Five Star Dawn's last three are faster than that field had run, he needed his last yet came home very fast, in a rare flipped race. He was gelded prior to that effort and worked back very quickly.

As for Guidry, he took corrective action by tatooing the rogue repeatedly right handed. Tired horses drift, especially when Churchill is dry and all day Sunday riders' kept there mounts wide turning for home. Coming into the stretch the days winners were; 4wide, 2 wide, 5 wide, 4 wide, 6 wide 2 wide and 4 wide. Handicappers often disagree before a race, and occasionally after one, but this is cappin 101 stuff.

As for the respondent that called Guidry a pin head you are entitled to your opinion. Guidry started riding the bush tracks at nine years old, at sixteen he rode pari-mutuel also in Louisiana. He has ridden over 5,000 winners. He is articulate and a terrific advocate for the sport and will be a steward in the very near future. Smart money says he is a better rider than you are a handicapper, whoever you are. BBB

the same can be said about Sylvester Carmouche Jr and you.

bellsbendboy 11-06-2007 11:57 AM

Cakes: I do not play pick sixes. I posted that particular pick four at letitride.com USA forum under the selections thread. The case I made for Five Star Dawn was quite strong.

Stud: Many many riders have had substance abuse issues... not many have won over 5,000 races. Thanks for plugging me, although I wish you would put 2006 in there somewhere. Years like that are hard to duplicate. BBB

blackthroatedwind 11-06-2007 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
the same can be said about Sylvester Carmouche Jr and you.



That's classic.

PSH 11-06-2007 12:02 PM

CD Sunday
 
I can confirm that Bellsbendboy did in fact have the Pick 4 posted and did make a strong case for the single in the nightcap on Sunday at CD....
That is a fact and can not be disputed.

As far as the other stuff..... everyone i guess is entitled to an opinion.

brianwspencer 11-06-2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSH
I can confirm that Bellsbendboy did in fact have the Pick 4 posted and did make a strong case for the single in the nightcap on Sunday at CD....
That is a fact and can not be disputed.

As far as the other stuff..... everyone i guess is entitled to an opinion.

Well, if he got it for $2, it paid off a whopping $387. That still leaves him "several thousand" dollars left to make by the end of the month. Nobody disputes that he can hit a pick-4 from time to time. People tend to dispute the fact that a two-or-three-times-a-week pick-4 player, at $36 per ticket "regularly" brings home several thousands of dollars each month.

Even a tool in a multi-colored construction paper house can catch a break every now and then. $387 down, several thousand to go.

GPK 11-06-2007 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notyep59
the next time the wife asks whats taking so long in there, I will have to answer, "I'm tatooing the rogue!" do people really talk this way??


I tried telling your wife all along thats what you were doing.

notyep59 11-06-2007 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
I tried telling your wife all along thats what you were doing.

HA!! i've used every other term there is for it, so I'm sure she believed you.....whats been going on kev?? oh yeah....gfy

SentToStud 11-06-2007 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy
Cakes: I do not play pick sixes. I posted that particular pick four at letitride.com USA forum under the selections thread. The case I made for Five Star Dawn was quite strong.

Stud: Many many riders have had substance abuse issues... not many have won over 5,000 races. Thanks for plugging me, although I wish you would put 2006 in there somewhere. Years like that are hard to duplicate. BBB

Guidry was so coked up in the 80's and early 90's he used to disappear for days at a time. He was never better than average and, in many stretches, so awful and unreliable he couldn't get rides from good stables.

How's that "fixed" race investigation going?

And sorry, it wasn't a plug.

brianwspencer 11-06-2007 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud

How's that "fixed" race investigation going?

Going? I believe he opened and closed it in a single post, peppered with impeccable and impenetrable logic.

philcski 11-06-2007 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy
Using generally accepted handicapping principles there is little, if any, evidence to support the theory that Banbury Cross was the "best" horse.

He was an unstarted maiden thirty days before Sundays race and even then debuted at Hoosier, one day before Keeneland opened. Trainers looking to earn purse money do not generally select a $14K purse over the rich $50K Keeneland pays, and Jeff is a solid conditioner.

Banbury Cross is a head case to say the least, but since you do not geld Storm Cat's, Jeff is doing the best he can. After winning at Hoosier, he was a good second at Keeneland despite acting like the fool he is, but was run down by a claimer coming off the shelf.

The best horse won the race. Five Star Dawn's last three are faster than that field had run, he needed his last yet came home very fast, in a rare flipped race. He was gelded prior to that effort and worked back very quickly.

As for Guidry, he took corrective action by tatooing the rogue repeatedly right handed. Tired horses drift, especially when Churchill is dry and all day Sunday riders' kept there mounts wide turning for home. Coming into the stretch the days winners were; 4wide, 2 wide, 5 wide, 4 wide, 6 wide 2 wide and 4 wide. Handicappers often disagree before a race, and occasionally after one, but this is cappin 101 stuff.

As for the respondent that called Guidry a pin head you are entitled to your opinion. Guidry started riding the bush tracks at nine years old, at sixteen he rode pari-mutuel also in Louisiana. He has ridden over 5,000 winners. He is articulate and a terrific advocate for the sport and will be a steward in the very near future. Smart money says he is a better rider than you are a handicapper, whoever you are. BBB

If the trainer is smart, and he knows his horse with a lot of speed and lacking perhaps in stamina needs a race ASAP, he isn't sending him to Keeneland.

ArlJim78 11-06-2007 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSH
I can confirm that Bellsbendboy did in fact have the Pick 4 posted and did make a strong case for the single in the nightcap on Sunday at CD....
That is a fact and can not be disputed.

As far as the other stuff..... everyone i guess is entitled to an opinion.

yeah I saw it as well and can confirm that he did single that horse and as a result had a winning pick4 play that paid out something like $195 for $1. after reading all the hoopla about his pick4 prowess, I have been following his plays and frankly this is the first winning ticket i've seen.

"great success"

ArlJim78 11-06-2007 02:21 PM

I can't resist to review this again,

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy
I would estimate I have bet around $1800 in 2006 and have earned about $32,000. I have had eleven signers so far in 2006. I bet 90 percent pick 4's all with serious homework. BBB

if you assume that the 11 signers were the only winners, it would imply that on $36 plays he hits 22% of them and that they averaged a payout of $2,909 for $1, in order to yield $32,000.

If the story is that there were other smaller tickets that hit for less than $600 and therefore not signers, then you have to accept that the hit rate is even higher than 22%.

either way its laughable on its face.

Danzig 11-06-2007 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notyep59
the next time the wife asks whats taking so long in there, I will have to answer, "I'm tatooing the rogue!" do people really talk this way??


someone reading too much dickens??

disappearingdan_akaplaya 11-06-2007 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Guidry was so coked up in the 80's and early 90's he used to disappear for days at a time. He was never better than average and, in many stretches, so awful and unreliable he couldn't get rides from good stables.

How's that "fixed" race investigation going?

And sorry, it wasn't a plug.


true he did have severe drug probs in the past but hes had a nice career and proven himself in every part of the country where hes ridden

ArlJim78 11-06-2007 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
He is a fine rider, and everytime that I see his name I think of Ron Guidry, the great Yankee pitcher. In fact, don't both Mark and Ron have thin black mustaches?

man could he bring it.

1978 record:
25W-3L, 1.74 era, 9 shutouts including one where he struck out 18 Angels.

Alan07 11-06-2007 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
After that ride in the 10th yesterday at Churchill, it's time to retire, Mark. Speed and the rail were golden, so Mark hustles up to the lead, sets easy fractions for Churchill, then for some reason I cannot fathom, goes 5 wide into the stretch, letting the 1 and 2 finishers through on the golden rail, and he finishes third. Amazingly bad ride on the best horse in the race.

He will on Saturday

ELA 11-06-2007 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
He is a fine rider, and everytime that I see his name I think of Ron Guidry, the great Yankee pitcher. In fact, don't both Mark and Ron have thin black mustaches?

Shaved the moustache, grew it back again, and shaved it. At least last time I saw him. Super nice guy and a good rider.

Eric

JJP 11-07-2007 10:10 PM

I heard somewhere that they are distant relatives.

Ronnie 11-07-2007 10:13 PM

I still don't understand that why every time BBB posts, everyone starts to act like crazy monkeys. Is he the monkey king or something and you are all happy to see him?

ArlJim78 11-07-2007 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie
I still don't understand that why every time BBB posts, everyone starts to act like crazy monkeys. Is he the monkey king or something and you are all happy to see him?

so you buy into the whole "i turned $1,800 into $32,000 in 2006 by playing $36 pick4 tickets"?

on other forums he's referred to this place as being a home to novices, and not for real cappers like him.

that's for starters, i won't go into New Years Eve buzzergate.

Scav 11-07-2007 11:09 PM

Back to Guidry
 
I would like to thank him for his hard rides for me, I always had good luck with him and me and him just seemed to click even though I never met him. On the list of Go-to riders when I was getting smoked

Hopefully Steve gets him on the air so I can verbally thank him

Thanks Guid

disappearingdan_akaplaya 11-08-2007 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP
I heard somewhere that they are distant relatives.


they are related. one of my fav guid rides and scores was his win in the holybull for none other than landson(LBIG) on offlee wild, made a killing that day on that horse and in the exacta with powerful touch. cant remember the name of the overbet canadian horse who went off as the fav and still might be running:D

Scav 11-08-2007 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
they are related. one of my fav guid rides and scores was his win in the holybull for none other than landson(LBIG) on offlee wild, made a killing that day on that horse and in the exacta with powerful touch. cant remember the name of the overbet canadian horse who went off as the fav and still might be running:D

My most memorable was on Davey's Cutlass in an Allowance race at AP. I was like 17 and it was my first $100 wager on a horse and I was dead lead at the final turn and he shot up the rail to win at 8/5. IT WAS GREAT!!!

disappearingdan_akaplaya 11-08-2007 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
My most memorable was on Davey's Cutlass in an Allowance race at AP. I was like 17 and it was my first $100 wager on a horse and I was dead lead at the final turn and he shot up the rail to win at 8/5. IT WAS GREAT!!!


i remember that horse scav and i had a nice score on him@ the thorne with jesse cambell ridin him tho that day and i think it was for a tag, anyways didnt dini have that horse?

Scav 11-08-2007 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
i remember that horse scav and i had a nice score on him@ the thorne with jesse cambell ridin him tho that day and i think it was for a tag, anyways didnt dini have that horse?

Yep, I haven't seen him for some time now, at least in Illinois, I should have stabled him but just never got to it.


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