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mik9872 10-09-2007 08:20 AM

John Henry's PPs (via GPK)
 
A look at John Henry'a PPs denotes a stark departure from today's racing.Look at the number of runners listed. There are many graded stakes with 9 or more runners. even in California. Compare to the sparse fields in major races today.

Coach Pants 10-09-2007 08:25 AM

Threadworthy.











THUD

Kasept 10-09-2007 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mik9872
A look at John Henry'a PPs denotes a stark departure from today's racing.Look at the number of runners listed. There are many graded stakes with 9 or more runners. even in California. Compare to the sparse fields in major races today.

As they say on FARK... "This thread is useless without pictures"... (Or the actual PP's..)

Will scan John Henry PP's when I get a moment later this a.m.

GPK 10-09-2007 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
As they say on FARK... "This thread is useless without pictures"... (Or the actual PP's..)

Will scan John Henry PP's when I get a moment later this a.m.


Steve...not sure if this helps, but here is a link.

http://www.drf.com/misc/edit/johnhenry_lifetimepps.pdf

Kasept 10-09-2007 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Steve...not sure if this helps, but here is a link.

http://www.drf.com/misc/edit/johnhenry_lifetimepps.pdf

Thx Kev! (It does help... Beats the alternative anyway.. Which was no PP's)

justindew 10-09-2007 09:54 AM

So he wins a MSW event in his debut, wins an allowance race, and then runs in another MSW in his 6th start?

Also, where is/was JND?

mik9872 10-09-2007 09:57 AM

Jnd
 
Jnd was Jefferson Downs in La.

Coach Pants 10-09-2007 10:00 AM

Jefferson Downs was the premier racetrack of the south.

Kasept 10-09-2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Jefferson Downs was the premier racetrack of the south.

There were 2 Jefferson Downs.. The old Jefferson Downs was first Magnolia Park (1955) and a harness joint. Was renamed Jefferson and became a thoroughbred venue in 1959 and was leveled by Hurricane Betsy in the mid-60's. A new Jefferson Park was opened in Kenner in the 70's and survived until the early 90's.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-09-2007 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
So he wins a MSW event in his debut, wins an allowance race, and then runs in another MSW in his 6th start?

His 6th career start was just a special weight race ... it wasn't restricted to maidens.

Slewbopper 10-09-2007 12:55 PM

If anyone wants to know anything about any of John's races, let me know. I have the PPs which I cut out of the DRF in '84 prior to his Turf Classic victory over Win and All Along.

justindew 10-09-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
His 6th career start was just a special weight race ... it wasn't restricted to maidens.

good catch.

Cannon Shell 10-09-2007 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mik9872
A look at John Henry'a PPs denotes a stark departure from today's racing.Look at the number of runners listed. There are many graded stakes with 9 or more runners. even in California. Compare to the sparse fields in major races today.

To be fair there were also 9 stakes which had fields of 6 or less...

mik9872 10-09-2007 02:07 PM

Six or less today is closer to the norm.

ateamstupid 10-09-2007 05:26 PM

How about JH getting trounced in a $20,000 claimer in '78, then two years later, winning six straight graded stakes.

timmgirvan 10-09-2007 08:10 PM

39 wins out of 83 races....truly yeoman stats!

packerbacker7964 10-09-2007 08:17 PM

Alright you math geeks in today's money how much money did ole boy win alltogether? 6 something million is still alot of money for a race horse.

cakes44 10-10-2007 11:05 AM

I believe the guy who rode him on his first graded stakes win, Jose Amy, made a comeback last year. Not quite Earlie Fires old, but old nonetheless.

sumitas 10-10-2007 11:07 AM

Yeah that name looked familiar. Amy has since gone on to other things.

FGFan 10-10-2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
Alright you math geeks in today's money how much money did ole boy win alltogether? 6 something million is still alot of money for a race horse.

According to inflation calculator the inflation rate is 92.23% from Oct. 1984 to January 2007. It kept logging out when I tried to put in October 2007.

So John Henry's lifetime earnings in 1984 were $6,597,947.00,

todays earnings would be $12,683,233.00
I rounded it off.

That's remarkable.

Edit: Corrected this, sorry the site and I were not working properly at the moment. I was off 2 decimals as will be noted in further posts.

cakes44 10-10-2007 02:04 PM

Pretty sure you need to find a new calculator.

Pedigree Ann 10-10-2007 02:16 PM

11 starts at 2 - sure didn't break him down.

The beginning of his career looks like a minor track stakes horse who couldn't compete in stakes at a major track (Fair Grounds) and so dropped into what was upper level claimers at the time. Quite logical.

But the odd thing is that after being unable to do better than run a distant third in a FG sprint at Cl25, coming from behind, he goes up to Aqu two months later and wins a nearly identical race running up close to or on the pace. Anybody know when in here he was gelded? If it wasn't before he started racing, this gap with the form shift looks likely. Once they put him on turf in June of his 3yo year, he was on his way to stardom. Notice his first graded win was at AP?

Pedigree Ann 10-10-2007 02:16 PM

11 starts at 2 - sure didn't break him down.

The beginning of his career looks like a minor track stakes horse who couldn't compete in stakes at a major track (Fair Grounds) and so dropped into what was upper level claimers at the time. Quite logical.

But the odd thing is that after being unable to do better than run a distant third in a FG sprint at Cl25, coming from behind, he goes up to Aqu two months later and wins a nearly identical race running up close to or on the pace. Anybody know when in here he was gelded? If it wasn't before he started racing, this gap with the form shift looks likely. Once they put him on turf in June of his 3yo year, he was on his way to stardom. Notice his first graded win was at AP?

Checking out the JC Gold Cup of 81, see who was third? That was Relaxing, dam of Easy Goer and G1 winners Cadillacing and Easy Now.

Hey, now! Did you know that Gato del Sol actually beat John twice? 4Mar84 Santa Anita H-G1, Interco wins, Gato del Sol 3rd, John fifth by 8l; 1Apr84, San Luis Rey-G1 12fT, wfa, Interco is a neck ahead of Gato, who is 1.5l ahead of John. Shows you why it is the body of work is the most important thing in judging a horse's career, not a single race.

SniperSB23 10-10-2007 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
Pretty sure you need to find a new calculator.

LOL

FGFan 10-10-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
Pretty sure you need to find a new calculator.

Here you try it then, tell me what you get.

Feel free to find another calculator and link it here and I would be happy to use your new calculator.

Here's the links......

http://www.cs.state.ny.us/businesssu...on-Calculator/

EDIT: Sorry this is the one above I meant to site. Which would put it 13,062, 538.00 So I stand corrected, although other sites give differing info. I was cutting and pasting and clicked the wrong site. Trying to multi-task, sometimesI do have real work to do.... clicked the wrong one. Sound better now.


http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflati...Calculator.asp

EDIT: This is the one that puts it at 92.23%

Still remarkable either way.

Most sites report the dollar has lost 1/2 it's value since 1984, you do the math. So the 13,000,000.00 would be about right.

SniperSB23 10-10-2007 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan
Here you try it then, tell me what you get.

Feel free to find another calculator and link it here and I would be happy to use your new calculator.

Here's the links......

http://www.cs.state.ny.us/businesssu...on-Calculator/


http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflati...Calculator.asp

Most sites report the dollar has lost 1/2 it's value since 1984, you do the math.

You're off a couple decimal points. It should be $12.6 million rather than $1.26 billion.

cakes44 10-10-2007 03:02 PM

Inflation rate = 92.23%

John Henry's earnings as of 1984 = $6,597,947.00

Estimated current earnings based on inflation = $6,597,947 * (1+.9223) = $12,683,233.52

FGFan 10-10-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
You're off a couple decimal points. It should be $12.6 million rather than $1.26 billion.

I know I edited my last post, take a look. And yes I used the sites calculator, too easy. I did not check my math before posting, I sincerely apologize, I'm glad we have it corrected.

Sorry concentrating on real work...but thought the question was fun.
Still remarkable.

Uncle Daddy 10-10-2007 04:06 PM

Does anybody know the race where he supposedly lost and still went to the winners circle and refused to budge? I have heard the story before but not which race or track

robfla 10-10-2007 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Daddy
Does anybody know the race where he supposedly lost and still went to the winners circle and refused to budge? I have heard the story before but not which race or track


legend has it as the '83 Arlington Million

Split Rock 10-11-2007 03:06 AM

Two things are somewhat sad about looking at John Henry's PP's and comparing it to today.

1st: Because this game is a cespool of drugs, no one will ever believe achievements, similar to what John Henry did, can be legitimate. For example, Lava Man.

2nd: When will a champion runner race into his 9th year again? Half the time, they don't run beyond the age of 4.

John Henry was clearly a "once in a lifetime" race horse.

Dunbar 10-11-2007 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Split Rock
Two things are somewhat sad about looking at John Henry's PP's and comparing it to today.

1st: Because this game is a cespool of drugs, no one will ever believe achievements, similar to what John Henry did, can be legitimate. For example, Lava Man.

2nd: When will a champion runner race into his 9th year again? Half the time, they don't run beyond the age of 4.

The Tin Man.

--Dunbar


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