Nice Ride Victor
 

Wow!!! That was some job by Espinoza there on Greg's Gold. Nice move there early to make sure he secured that position to make sure he could get boxed in for HALF A MILE. He cost many people Pick 4, Pick 3, and Pick 6 there, yes including me.

NoLuvForVic

Agree..when he finally got free he took off... to late. He didn't need to win this one which always concerns me when I use the "single"...

Cost me the pick 6. Terrible.

Not sure of the ride but i will move him up on real dirt at Monmouth. Got to think he can accelerate a half length quicker in the last 150 yards

I wish he'd go back to driving a bus for a living. The guy is consistently dreadful.

Just horrible! No need to go inside...pace was set up for GG...shud have been a easy win. The ride cost me a pick 4. Perhaps his connections will change up going forward!

anyone who thinks greg's gold will win the bc sprint needs their head examined, IMO, and I'm stuck with him in the TVG contest!

^ Me thinks he doesn't even make the plane.

To quote Malorie in Natural Born Killers, "Bad, bad, bad......"

Who do you like?

I bet three weeks out a lot of people said the same thing about Thor's Echo last year.

That was a fast race and Greg's Gold should have been an easy winner. Unless one is convinced he cannot reproduce his good synthetic form on the real dirt, anyone who is not considering him a contender needs their head examined.

It's not like there's so much out there to be convinced of right now.

NT

When you get the kind of ride and trip that Greg's Gold got does it really matter who the competition was? I mean sure he would be a little more impressive if he was in a box and couldn't get out to run down Fabulous Strike.

The winner, Idiot Proof, posted a 113 BSF at Monmouth in July and then flopped on the Poly.

I didn't say that Greg's Gold is the leading contender, I just said that I would not dismiss him at all and cannot agree with somebody who says that anyone considering him needs their head examined.

NT

I don't know that I like Greg's Gold to win the race but he's definitely belonging of a spot on the top 4-5 contenders list. I also don't know that I would blame his rider yesterday as much as I would credit the riders of Idiot Proof and that Barbecue horse. I thought they rode great races to recognize the horse to beat and not let him have an easy time of doing so.

Also, if there is a concern with Greg's Gold, it's the Aristides at Churchill. I know it's only one race and nothing conclusive can be made of one race but it's the only chance we've had to see how he does when shipping........and he was destroyed by Fabulous Strike that day. Perhaps it was just an off day, a bad race. Or is he like Lava Man when shipping?

You don't have to apologize to me for not betting him. I have no great reason to think I'll bet him at this point in time.

However, I do think he is a contender for the win. That's how the whole conversation started.

While I do think Idiot Proof is going to get a bit too much attention because of his high BSF at Monmouth, the fact that he rated nicely and finished intrigued me a bit.

Look, the Sprint is clearly a wide-open race, that's why I suggested GG is still a contender. Once next Wednesday hits us and we can take a gander at the Advance Edition, we can see who else is going to run against him.

NT

Midnight Lute.

i think idiot proof is a completely different horse on real dirt, and was just hoping for him to run well enough to get him into the bc. actually, i knew he did okay on cushion but to me, his dirt form is really nice.

right now i'm using idiot proof and gregs gold, but i'd much rather have fabulous strike than gregs gold. i also give smokey stover a look, but i hate that he hasnt run in awhile.

the sprint looks like it's shaping up to be one of the more logical and easy races on the bc card.

the 2yo males look pretty wide open. the mile is impossible. f&m turf, you got me there too. turf, no clue either.

Yes, he is way behind other winners from this weekend, like that horse who won the "win and your in" Phoenix Stakes.

I wasnt impressed, what bias? I was pointing out how weak the division is.

the only california horse I was somewhat impressed with during the divisions was the baffert two year old filly. I still think After Market and Tiago are mildy competitive at prices in their division.

I like the Idiot as well as Gregs Gold. I wouldn't touch a Vosburgh winner in the Sprint at gunpoint, nor any NY prepped horse. 15 horses prepped at Belmont (12) or Saratoga (3) have gone off favored in the Sprint. Three have won. Cherokee Run, Orientate (both 5/2) and Artax (7/2 co-fav). 10 BCS favorites prepping at Belmont have lost. Mining, Rubiano, Henny H, all under 2-1 and Groovy, H'buster odds on. Fab Strike is fast, but he'll have to be a toss for me unless he's the sole inside speed.

it is weak, especially considering the place horse in that race yesterday.

victor took a chance, figured the rail would open, it didn't.

My guess is they aren't going to do it now that there is the BC Sprint for F & M, but I'd love to see La Traviata run against this group. I know she's so lightly raced, but she's a freak (cobra venom aside). I don't know how she's even going to get into the F & M Sprint with only 4 points.

On the topic of the ride Victor gave to GG, the point is HE put him down there in the box when he didn't need to. He could've coasted behind that crew, went wide on the turn (as most 1-2 shots that are much the best often do), and sailed home with ease. He didn't need "the perfect trip" against that group.

Most impressive sprint win I've seen thus far is Midnight Lute in the Forego (but he's got issues) followed closely by the freaky performance of Fabulous Strike in the Vosburgh.

La Traviata would get crushed in the BC Sprint. She will have no problem getting into the FM Sprint though. The first seven spots go to WAYI horses and then the top remaining points scorers. The other seven spots are selected by the committee who would never leave her out of the race.

I think crushed is a bit strong. The Victory Ride was as impressive as anything else that day. JL didn't move a muscle and she went in 45 and 1/5. She ran the last quarter in 24 and 2/5 in a gallop with only mild urging at the top of the lane.

The six furlong split in the King's Bishop went much faster.

Well, I like him to win the sprint,but it's not an easy race to win from off the pace.I think people are not realizing that he didn't really use everything he had yesterday.So,he should come back o.k. on 3 weeks rest. He could have gotten cut etc. from being between those horses yesterday.So,we will see how he comes out of the race.Why play somebody good,though?? Probably be somebody that "was obvious if ya really look."