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brockguy 10-07-2007 05:04 PM

The Star of 2008 will be......
 
some mixed results from last years thread.. Ill take a stab at Zarkava who looked the best juvi filly in europe after her win today and will give the Aga Khan another super filly next year.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 05:22 PM

I must admit, she looked like a potential star today. I'm just worried about the French form holding up. If i'm honest, i didn't think it was a strong Marcel Boussac today, especially with the fav disappointing (although, i didn't think she was much good anyway).

I'm still holding faith with You'resothrilling, who is certain to appreciate a mile next year and she looks as if she could be an early type.

I haven't seen many of the 2yo races in America, but the filly of Bob Baffert's that won in Santa Anita (i think it was SA) looked pretty decent and i think she will be very good next year.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-07-2007 05:52 PM

common now, every year there is a new euro star.. that ends up getting smoked by the americans in the bc... high chapparal ,hawk wing ,david jr. george washington....hmm

brockguy 10-07-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
common now, every year there is a new euro star.. that ends up getting smoked by the americans in the bc... high chapparal ,hawk wing ,david jr. george washington....hmm

red rocks??

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
common now, every year there is a new euro star.. that ends up getting smoked by the americans in the bc... high chapparal ,hawk wing ,david jr. george washington....hmm

On dirt....... yeah, Not really a surface we care about.

Just wait until most of your tracks are synthetic. Get ready for a beating. :D

At least we send horses over to challenge..............

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
red rocks??

Add shirocco and Ouija Board

Cannon Shell 10-07-2007 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
red rocks??

Bayeau:cool:

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-07-2007 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Add shirocco and Ouija Board

turf , turf /turf... the bc classic will not be run on plastic..for a wile..

Coach Pants 10-07-2007 06:18 PM

I think Fish and Chips will be the star of 2008.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
turf , turf /turf... the bc classic will not be run on plastic..for a wile..

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it will be run on Cushion Track next year....... synthetic surface classic, here we come. We will be out in force!

You can say turf turf turf.......... well, okay then....... dirt, dirt, dirt :p

Come over here an challenge us. Give Royal Ascot a try next year, we will even pay the horses travelling fees. BUT nooooo, there isn't a chance. Poor little horses can't be drugged up over here :p

miraja2 10-07-2007 06:35 PM

My pick right now for the star of 2008 would be Tiago......if he runs.
It is pretty much impossible to predict something like that at this point, but he seems to be improving, and he has a pedigree that seems to indicate he might continue to improve as a 4yo.
Also, most of the horses from his crop that are better than him will be done running three weeks from now.
Add in the fact that the '08 BC is in a favorable location for him, and he seems like a decent choice.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-07-2007 06:36 PM

damn that was cold.... we need a little edge..... you wont hurt us on the carpet.. our 2 year old crop this year will make you stay home and eat haggis.....dreaming of a bc classic win..by the way before you say drugs take a look at your own.... coolmore and darley letting good horses rot and be killed out of spite....your dirty secret..hmmm

Coach Pants 10-07-2007 06:40 PM

Kieron Felon. Guilty until proven innocent. Go Europe!!

Coach Pants 10-07-2007 06:44 PM


philcski 10-07-2007 07:50 PM

The star of 2008 won a G1 today on the tires. She don't need no stinkin' surface, she wins on them all!!!

Cajungator26 10-07-2007 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The star of 2008 won a G1 today on the tires. She don't need no stinkin' surface, she wins on them all!!!

I thought of you when she won. Go Panty Raid! :cool:

SniperSB23 10-07-2007 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The star of 2008 won a G1 today on the tires. She don't need no stinkin' surface, she wins on them all!!!

Well, at least on the dirt when she gets to take on Baroness Thatcher. She'll be lucky to crack the top ten if they put her in the Distaff. Next year she could do well with the BC on the cushion track.

Heels1989 10-07-2007 11:01 PM

I like this pair.

If not '08, maybe '09.





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cmorioles 10-08-2007 12:25 AM

DrugS.

bmont22 10-08-2007 01:49 PM

BC on Synthetic
 
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the bc classic will not be run on plastic..for a wile..
The BC Classic will be run on synthetic surface next year. Santa Anita.

philcski 10-09-2007 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Well, at least on the dirt when she gets to take on Baroness Thatcher. She'll be lucky to crack the top ten if they put her in the Distaff. Next year she could do well with the BC on the cushion track.

I'll take your action on the top 10 in the BC bet... :D

Not sure how you can disparage that performance. On top of that, Baroness Thatcher has been proven to be a useful horse at a mile and less.

Danzig 10-09-2007 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Correct me if i'm wrong, but it will be run on Cushion Track next year....... synthetic surface classic, here we come. We will be out in force!

You can say turf turf turf.......... well, okay then....... dirt, dirt, dirt :p

Come over here an challenge us. Give Royal Ascot a try next year, we will even pay the horses travelling fees. BUT nooooo, there isn't a chance. Poor little horses can't be drugged up over here :p

but they sure can over here, which every euro trainer takes full advantage of as soon as the horses arrive.:rolleyes:

The Indomitable DrugS 10-09-2007 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
DrugS.

Sorry man, I'm pointing to 2011.

SniperSB23 10-09-2007 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I'll take your action on the top 10 in the BC bet... :D

Not sure how you can disparage that performance. On top of that, Baroness Thatcher has been proven to be a useful horse at a mile and less.

Not disparaging that effort at all. I said she'd be a major threat in the BC next year when it is on the cushion track. I just don't think she's particularly good on the dirt. Baroness Thatcher may be useful at a mile or less but the Black Eyed Susan wasn't at a mile or less. I think the Alabama was a good representation of where Panty stands on the dirt. They should go in the FM Turf, she's at least got a shot of cracking the top five there although I'd have to see what Euros came before I could even give her that.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-09-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bmont22
The BC Classic will be run on synthetic surface next year. Santa Anita.

thats carpet...

NoChanceToDance 10-10-2007 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
but they sure can over here, which every euro trainer takes full advantage of as soon as the horses arrive.:rolleyes:

Ummmm, not every euro trainer does!

Most do to make sure it is a level playing field, why would you give horses what is seen as an unfair advantage?

I don't agree with it, and i think it is the main cause of so many breakdowns.

NoChanceToDance 10-10-2007 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
thats carpet...

Still a synthetic surface..........

brockguy 10-10-2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
but they sure can over here, which every euro trainer takes full advantage of as soon as the horses arrive.:rolleyes:

Monsiuer Fabre doesn't..

Danzig 10-10-2007 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Ummmm, not every euro trainer does!

Most do to make sure it is a level playing field, why would you give horses what is seen as an unfair advantage?

I don't agree with it, and i think it is the main cause of so many breakdowns.

giving lasix causes breakdowns??

as for suddenly wanting a level playing field, i would still call it hypocritical to complain about drug use, and then use the same things you're complaining about. if you're a purist, why would you suddenly not be because of the opportunity? what, your horse is suddenly a bleeder because he's in the states?

Danzig 10-10-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
Monsiuer Fabre doesn't..

good for him!
i don't think any aussie horses use either, as i think it would cause problems for them upon returning to their home country.

NoChanceToDance 10-10-2007 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
giving lasix causes breakdowns??

as for suddenly wanting a level playing field, i would still call it hypocritical to complain about drug use, and then use the same things you're complaining about. if you're a purist, why would you suddenly not be because of the opportunity? what, your horse is suddenly a bleeder because he's in the states?

It certainly doesn't help.

I don't know what the trainers are thinking about when they use it, my guess is the level playing field. I wish none of the european trainers used it to be honest. I cannot help in the long run on the return to european shores. We have many remedies and such over here that are legal, but most of which are complete rubbish.

Cannon Shell 10-10-2007 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
It certainly doesn't help.

.

Thats the best argument you can come up with?

Anyone who thinks Lasix causes breakdowns probably thinks cell phones cause cancer and the earth is flat. Lack of evidence is always a pesky little problem when people bring up rubbish like Lasix causes breakdowns

miraja2 10-11-2007 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Thats the best argument you can come up with?

Anyone who thinks Lasix causes breakdowns probably thinks cell phones cause cancer and the earth is flat. Lack of evidence is always a pesky little problem when people bring up rubbish like Lasix causes breakdowns

I was reading a study recently which said that "the consensus among well-designed population studies is that there is no consistent association between cell phone use and brain cancer." Despite this fact, 30% of Americans still believe that cell phone use actually DOES cause brain cancer. What are these morons basing this opinion on? Who the hell knows.
As you say, a lot of people seem to enjoy endorsing theories despite the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever to support it.


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