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brianwspencer 10-05-2007 10:37 AM

Biancone: 1 year suspension
 
Not sure if this has been posted yet -- but didn't find it when looking through.

Biancone got a year suspension for cobra venom.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-05-2007 11:01 AM

a complete joke

Riot 10-05-2007 11:28 AM

A one-year suspension is standard for first violation, mere possession (not use) of a Class A substance.

Here is the link to the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium rules:

http://www.rmtcnet.com/

Kasept 10-05-2007 12:20 PM

Coverage..
 
Hegarty (DRF): http://www.drf.com/news/article/89147.html

B-H: http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=41159

TT: http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...suspended.aspx

Kasept 10-05-2007 01:32 PM

KHRA's suspension ruling on Biancone:

http://www.khra.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/...2/0/070104.pdf

saratogabrit 10-05-2007 01:48 PM

I find it ironic that he's been banned just at the time of year of some of his greatest wins. 1983 and 84 Arc wins and 1st past the post in 85 but placed 2nd.

I hope that all of his current staff are certainly deemed unsuitable to have his licence.

Surely one way to stamp this out would be a ban and a bar on all current employees and fairly recent past employees holding the licence

Honu 10-05-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by saratogabrit
I find it ironic that he's been banned just at the time of year of some of his greatest wins. 1983 and 84 Arc wins and 1st past the post in 85 but placed 2nd.

I hope that all of his current staff are certainly deemed unsuitable to have his licence.

Surely one way to stamp this out would be a ban and a bar on all current employees and fairly recent past employees holding the licence


In Kentucky the horses cannot be tranfered to any Asst. or family member period , the owners will have to find new trainers. Ca. has something like this in the works also but I dont think its in stone yet .

MisterB 10-05-2007 02:12 PM

wow

whodey17 10-05-2007 02:50 PM

The vet got 5 years. I know the 1 year is standard, but I think the committee could move away from the standard penalty. What is the point in the 1 year suspension. I say give the person who violates the rul with a 5 year ban. We are the only country who puts up this crap in our sport.

geeker2 10-05-2007 03:12 PM

So how does it work..he can serve it when he wants? so he gets to run in the BC? what a joke....

Riot 10-05-2007 03:48 PM

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The vet got 5 years. I know the 1 year is standard, but I think the committee could move away from the standard penalty.
Well, they've adopted legal rules and penalties and outlined them so people know what will happen if they violate those rules. They can't violate their own rules, and arbitrarily disregard them.

I want to see what other racing jurisdictions honor the KY penalty. I hope they all do. And I want to see what CA will do regarding his previous violation, given with the caveat he not get in trouble again.

And there is no reason that any track can't refuse to give him stalls.

Riot 10-05-2007 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
So how does it work..he can serve it when he wants? so he gets to run in the BC? what a joke....

No. Steve posted the links so you can read them.

geeker2 10-05-2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
No. Steve posted the links so you can read them.


Don't be fooled...as soon as he appeals the decision..he will be golden till well after the BC.....

Unstable 10-05-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Don't be fooled...as soon as he appeals the decision..he will be golden till well after the BC.....

According to the article in the DRF, "An appeal will likely delay the onset of the decision until at least after the Breeders' Cup on Oct. 26 and Oct. 27 at Monmouth Park. If the suspension is upheld, Biancone will not be able to "financially benefit" from his stable while suspended, under new state regulations passed earlier this year in Kentucky." I'll have to read the other articles and the decision, but this makes me wonder whether he gets to collect any BC winnings if the suspension is upheld.

I don't think he should have been able to serve all his suspensions concurrently. He also received another 1-year suspension and a 90-day suspension. Even though his suspensions arise from the same restricted conduct, I think that should he should have been ordered to serve all his suspensions consecutively.

Riot 10-05-2007 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Don't be fooled...as soon as he appeals the decision..he will be golden till well after the BC.....

So ??? I'm sure Kee got it done as fast as they could. He's entitled to appeal. What matters to me is if he's at next year's BC.

I don't understand why folks are so appalled "he only got a year". Didn't anyone read, during the past month, what the various penalties "could" be for finding cobra venom in a tackroom? I'm glad he got the max under the rules.

I just hope other tracks honor it once it's done. I hope other tracks don't give him stalls.

And I'm glad Qasicobra finished out of the money today - otherwise I'd have to be convinced there isn't any justice at all, even from the karma gods.

pointman 10-05-2007 05:01 PM

What a disgrace. And we wonder why drugs are a problem in horse racing.

Coach Pants 10-05-2007 05:04 PM


Riot 10-05-2007 05:35 PM

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I don't think he should have been able to serve all his suspensions concurrently.
Having vaccinations for the barn cats and horses, and unlabeled vials and bottles of routine horse meds doesn't bother me that much (the last is unfortunately very common). There is some interesting other stuff there.

But it doesn't hold a candle to trying to explain why you have cobra venom.

geeker2 10-05-2007 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Having vaccinations for the barn cats and horses, and unlabeled vials and bottles of routine horse meds doesn't bother me that much (the last is unfortunately very common). There is some interesting other stuff there.

But it doesn't hold a candle to trying to explain why you have cobra venom.


I read somewhere they use Cobra Venom in France as type of Viagra...maybe this is all an innocent mistake and it will all be cleared up in the appeals process...man let's hope so - we need the BConehead :D

Riot 10-05-2007 07:02 PM

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I read somewhere they use Cobra Venom in France as type of Viagra...maybe this is all an innocent mistake and it will all be cleared up in the appeals process..
Hey, no problem if I were a KY Steward, I would certainly allow Mr Biancone to prove that via demonstration to the whole KHRC ;)

geeker2 10-05-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Hey, no problem if I were a KY Steward, I would certainly allow Mr Biancone to prove that via demonstration to the whole KHRC ;)


CLASSIC..LOLLOLOLOLOL

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-06-2007 10:41 AM

again the suspension is a complete and total joke to me. this was offered to me when i had my horse in minnesota for the summer a couple years ago. i was absolutely shocked and angered and the trainer said"im just giving you more options" of course i said no and sent my horse to the farm for the rest of the year but this stuff if alot more widespread than most would think. the slightest bit off and you can kill the horse

Riot 10-06-2007 10:51 AM

Good for you. Shame that option was even offered to you.

Did you change trainers?

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-06-2007 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Good for you. Shame that option was even offered to you.

Did you change trainers?


yeah when my horse returned to the track last year he returned with my original trainer

Cannon Shell 10-06-2007 02:07 PM

IMO you should be directing your anger, not at the KHRA, but at the people who allow this to happen and will fill the guys barn when he returns from another long suspension....his owners

Danzig 10-06-2007 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
IMO you should be directing your anger, not at the KHRA, but at the people who allow this to happen and will fill the guys barn when he returns from another long suspension....his owners


ding ding ding

geeker2 10-06-2007 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
IMO you should be directing your anger, not at the KHRA, but at the people who allow this to happen and will fill the guys barn when he returns from another long suspension....his owners


Maybe the Ramsey's will give all their horses to him :D

Cannon Shell 10-06-2007 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Maybe the Ramsey's will give all their horses to him :D

I'd take the days...again...

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-06-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I'd take the days...again...


interesting chuck i was talking to a local trainer here last week and your name came up included with the aforementioned owners.after your dealings with them those owners were gonna give him some horses but then at the last second backed out cuz he was only 25 at the time and he said hed never use a trainer under 35 again. i actually never knew ya had horses for them until then

Cannon Shell 10-06-2007 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
interesting chuck i was talking to a local trainer here last week and your name came up included with the aforementioned owners.after your dealings with them those owners were gonna give him some horses but then at the last second backed out cuz he was only 25 at the time and he said hed never use a trainer under 35 again. i actually never knew ya had horses for them until then

Well sorry you missed it but it 's not gonna happen again. Dont like training for free...except for my wife of course...

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-06-2007 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Well sorry you missed it but it 's not gonna happen again. Dont like training for free...except for my wife of course...


lol well ill be sure to tell that to the"local" trainer here and maybe hell feel better just incase he was thinking"what might have been" im pretty sure you know him personally, his father also trains plus he ships from here to KY alot and actually stays there sometimes. need anymore hints lol? hes tall.

Cannon Shell 10-06-2007 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
lol well ill be sure to tell that to the"local" trainer here and maybe hell feel better just incase he was thinking"what might have been" im pretty sure you know him personally, his father also trains plus he ships from here to KY alot and actually stays there sometimes. need anymore hints lol? hes tall.

Tell him I said what's up and isn't he broke enough???

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-06-2007 10:28 PM

will do, lol hopefully hes not doin too bad financially these days hes got 15-20head here

Cannon Shell 10-06-2007 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
will do, lol hopefully hes not doin too bad financially these days hes got 15-20head here

all trainers are broke....

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-06-2007 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
all trainers are broke....


some go beyond broke and im amazed how some survive especially at places like downstate fairmount here

Cannon Shell 10-06-2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
some go beyond broke and im amazed how some survive especially at places like downstate fairmount here

I'm amazed how some guys at Churchill and Belmont survive

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-06-2007 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I'm amazed how some guys at Churchill and Belmont survive


im amazed how some trainers here in ILL get 60-65 bucks a day with the purses we have here and are below 10% for their careers, yet people still give these trainers stock

Pedigree Ann 10-07-2007 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
The vet got 5 years. I know the 1 year is standard, but I think the committee could move away from the standard penalty. What is the point in the 1 year suspension. I say give the person who violates the rul with a 5 year ban. We are the only country who puts up this crap in our sport.

The vet supposedly has more complete and specific knowledge of the effects of using these medications, given his education and training. Moreover, his profession is supposed to have the goal of maintaining health in the animals, not giving them 'quick fixes' so they can run. The vet takes an oath like a doctor and should be a first line of defense against crooked trainers wanting an edge. I would guess that is the reason they came down hard on the vet (who can go work on show horses or cows, if he wants to now. He won't be totally out of business, like Biancone will be.)

Coach Pants 10-07-2007 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
lol well ill be sure to tell that to the"local" trainer here and maybe hell feel better just incase he was thinking"what might have been" im pretty sure you know him personally, his father also trains plus he ships from here to KY alot and actually stays there sometimes. need anymore hints lol? hes tall.

Oh oh ohh!! Chris Dorris!!!

What do I win?

Danzig 10-07-2007 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Oh oh ohh!! Chris Dorris!!!

What do I win?

someone give pillow a cookie.


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