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Indian Charlie 09-09-2007 07:06 PM

Tiz Miserable vs EZ Warrior weds!
 
1 mile at belmont.

I say Tiz Miserable has had it and will be really up against it wednesday.

Sightseek 09-09-2007 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
1 mile at belmont.

I say Tiz Miserable has had it and will be really up against it wednesday.

EZ Warrior has done something you haven't....got kissed by Jill Baffert :p

http://www.finalturngallery.com/g2/v...k0212.jpg.html

Indian Charlie 09-09-2007 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
EZ Warrior has done something you haven't....got kissed by Jill Baffert :p

http://www.finalturngallery.com/g2/v...k0212.jpg.html

how do you know i haven't?

Ronnie 09-10-2007 08:13 AM

What's the point again of knocking a horse coming off an injury?

Bobby Fischer 09-10-2007 09:25 AM

looks like a nice race.
hope they all run.

They are both a bit of a question mark to me. Is Tiz done, or did he just need a race? Why the hell did they put him in the Dandy?? Can EZ get 8 furlongs? Can EZ break cleanly for once?

blackthroatedwind 09-10-2007 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie
What's the point again of knocking a horse coming off an injury?


The point is to share actual insights on horse racing. It's not as though he said something outlandish like " can you imagine a trainer, any trainer, running a horse off a tendon injury at 1 1/8th miles, against the Kentucky Derby winner, without a race in over eight months? "

I'll take a stand.......I say Tiz Miserable has had it and will be really up against it Wednesday.

Ronnie 09-10-2007 10:11 AM

Wow, picking against a horse coming off an injury is really insightful. Calling a horse Tiz Miserable is handicapping genius.

VOL JACK 09-10-2007 10:18 AM

I like Shopton Lane in this spot.

SniperSB23 09-10-2007 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The point is to share actual insights on horse racing. It's not as though he said something outlandish like " can you imagine a trainer, any trainer, running a horse off a tendon injury at 1 1/8th miles, against the Kentucky Derby winner, without a race in over eight months? "

I'll take a stand.......I say Tiz Miserable has had it and will be really up against it Wednesday.

That decision certainly baffled me but I have to imagine if Asmussen did that he doesn't think the horse is done and wouldn't have waited so long to rule out the Travers with him. While you could certainly be right I think the horse will run well here.

hockey2315 09-10-2007 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
That decision certainly baffled me but I have to imagine if Asmussen did that he doesn't think the horse is done and wouldn't have waited so long to rule out the Travers with him. While you could certainly be right I think the horse will run well here.

I see what you're saying but I think he may have just been looking for a Travers horse since he wasn't planning on bringing Curlin. . . I thought Tiz Wonderful was going to win the derby after his two year old season but now wouldn't be suprised if they retire him and send him to stud in antartica or something. . .

SniperSB23 09-10-2007 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I see what you're saying but I think he may have just been looking for a Travers horse since he wasn't planning on bringing Curlin. . . I thought Tiz Wonderful was going to win the derby after his two year old season but now wouldn't be suprised if they retire him and send him to stud in antartica or something. . .

I think he could have brought Zanjero if he was just reaching for a Travers horse, unless winning the Penn Derby was a major goal for him.

hockey2315 09-10-2007 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I think he could have brought Zanjero if he was just reaching for a Travers horse, unless winning the Penn Derby was a major goal for him.

Well the Penn Derby had a $1 million purse and no Street Sense. . .

Indian Charlie 09-10-2007 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie
Wow, picking against a horse coming off an injury is really insightful. Calling a horse Tiz Miserable is handicapping genius.


what takes real genius is the inability to see that in tiz miserable's comeback race that the horse wanted nothing to do with racing around a race track and was far from the horse he was at 2. fitness in no way whatsoever had anything to do with his performance in his comeback.

the other day, asmussen did say that he had an allergy attack before the race, so maybe that is possibly true, which could possibly explain his horrific race.

anyways, just to make sure you understood how and why i came to call tiz wonderful tiz miserable, i will break this down for you in very simple terms.

1. The horse is named Tiz Wonderful.
2. The horse named Tiz Wonderful was indeed wonderful as a 2 year old.
3. The horse named Tiz Wonderful that was so wonderful as a 2 year old last year came back recently and ran like he was not so wonderful. In fact, he looked like he actually was miserable out there on the track.
4. I could have called him Tiz Not So Wonderful, but for what I at the time thought was simplicity's sake, I decided to get just a little bit clever in the hopes that Ronnie would have a clue, so I called him Tiz Miserable.

For that, I humbly apologize.

Emmett Fitz-Hume 09-11-2007 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
what takes real genius is the inability to see that in tiz miserable's comeback race that the horse wanted nothing to do with racing around a race track and was far from the horse he was at 2. fitness in no way whatsoever had anything to do with his performance in his comeback.

the other day, asmussen did say that he had an allergy attack before the race, so maybe that is possibly true, which could possibly explain his horrific race.

anyways, just to make sure you understood how and why i came to call tiz wonderful tiz miserable, i will break this down for you in very simple terms.

1. The horse is named Tiz Wonderful.
2. The horse named Tiz Wonderful was indeed wonderful as a 2 year old.
3. The horse named Tiz Wonderful that was so wonderful as a 2 year old last year came back recently and ran like he was not so wonderful. In fact, he looked like he actually was miserable out there on the track.
4. I could have called him Tiz Not So Wonderful, but for what I at the time thought was simplicity's sake, I decided to get just a little bit clever in the hopes that Ronnie would have a clue, so I called him Tiz Miserable.

For that, I humbly apologize.

God I hope he wins

Indian Charlie 09-11-2007 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmett Fitz-Hume
God I hope he wins


Who? Ronnie?

If you mean Tiz Miserables, then you just might need an act of god.

that, or some strong anti-histamines. I'm not sure yet.

Me, i'm going to pray to lucifer that my recent rash of run in's with idiots ends soon!

Indian Charlie 09-11-2007 02:42 AM

My idiot count, within the last 24 hours or so, is currently up to 5.

There's my exgf who was out this way visiting. There's myself for spending 8 hours with her. She talked so much I actually fell asleep.

Then there was the Walmart experience last night. My friend and I went to Walmart to kill some time looking at odd people, debate the merits of the existance of Walmart, and buy at least one unnecessary electronics item.

As I looked sadly at the depleted selection of Ben & Jerry's there, we heard this bird crying in distress. Walking over to the sound, the two of us, and a few workers, try to figure out where this poor bird is. Nobody can see it, but we locate the cries to be coming either from the ventilation duct or from above the ceiling. We eventually convince the manager to bring a big platform ladder over so that we can remove a grate from the duct.

Looking into the ductwork, it was decided that the bird could not be in there. The manager then actually climbed up onto the roof (in the rain no less) and about 20 minutes later, comes back completely clueless. At this point, it seems likely that this poor bird is stuck above the ceiling somehow, though nobody can figure out how that is possible.

We've now been listening to this awful screaming for an hour, when my friend climbs up onto the ladder and precariously balances himself on the handles of that platform ladder. He tilts his head so that one ear is facing straight up towards the ceiling, when suddenly...

He notices the bird calls coming from below.

Turns out, some IDIOT had placed one of those electronic bird callers on the top of a shelf above everyones line of sight. I guess, in some small way, it was a little funny, but it was more aggravating than anything else. We had to spend 90 minutes total in a Walmart!

Then there were these two guys on this message board....

swedejxn 09-11-2007 07:18 AM

Exceptionally brilliant posting by I-Charlie during the wee hours... But did you get any 'capping done?

GPK 09-11-2007 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
My idiot count, within the last 24 hours or so, is currently up to 5.

There's my exgf who was out this way visiting. There's myself for spending 8 hours with her. She talked so much I actually fell asleep.

Then there was the Walmart experience last night. My friend and I went to Walmart to kill some time looking at odd people, debate the merits of the existance of Walmart, and buy at least one unnecessary electronics item.

As I looked sadly at the depleted selection of Ben & Jerry's there, we heard this bird crying in distress. Walking over to the sound, the two of us, and a few workers, try to figure out where this poor bird is. Nobody can see it, but we locate the cries to be coming either from the ventilation duct or from above the ceiling. We eventually convince the manager to bring a big platform ladder over so that we can remove a grate from the duct.

Looking into the ductwork, it was decided that the bird could not be in there. The manager then actually climbed up onto the roof (in the rain no less) and about 20 minutes later, comes back completely clueless. At this point, it seems likely that this poor bird is stuck above the ceiling somehow, though nobody can figure out how that is possible.

We've now been listening to this awful screaming for an hour, when my friend climbs up onto the ladder and precariously balances himself on the handles of that platform ladder. He tilts his head so that one ear is facing straight up towards the ceiling, when suddenly...

He notices the bird calls coming from below.

Turns out, some IDIOT had placed one of those electronic bird callers on the top of a shelf above everyones line of sight. I guess, in some small way, it was a little funny, but it was more aggravating than anything else. We had to spend 90 minutes total in a Walmart!

Then there were these two guys on this message board....


IC...we have had very little contact on here...but the more I read your stuff, the more I like it.



Now if you were only as good looking as Drugs and myself.....

Danzig 09-11-2007 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
IC...we have had very little contact on here...but the more I read your stuff, the more I like it.



Now if you were only as good looking as Drugs and myself.....

yeah, well, you can't have it all....

Danzig 09-11-2007 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
My idiot count, within the last 24 hours or so, is currently up to 5.

There's my exgf who was out this way visiting. There's myself for spending 8 hours with her. She talked so much I actually fell asleep.

Then there was the Walmart experience last night. My friend and I went to Walmart to kill some time looking at odd people, debate the merits of the existance of Walmart, and buy at least one unnecessary electronics item.

As I looked sadly at the depleted selection of Ben & Jerry's there, we heard this bird crying in distress. Walking over to the sound, the two of us, and a few workers, try to figure out where this poor bird is. Nobody can see it, but we locate the cries to be coming either from the ventilation duct or from above the ceiling. We eventually convince the manager to bring a big platform ladder over so that we can remove a grate from the duct.

Looking into the ductwork, it was decided that the bird could not be in there. The manager then actually climbed up onto the roof (in the rain no less) and about 20 minutes later, comes back completely clueless. At this point, it seems likely that this poor bird is stuck above the ceiling somehow, though nobody can figure out how that is possible.

We've now been listening to this awful screaming for an hour, when my friend climbs up onto the ladder and precariously balances himself on the handles of that platform ladder. He tilts his head so that one ear is facing straight up towards the ceiling, when suddenly...

He notices the bird calls coming from below.

Turns out, some IDIOT had placed one of those electronic bird callers on the top of a shelf above everyones line of sight. I guess, in some small way, it was a little funny, but it was more aggravating than anything else. We had to spend 90 minutes total in a Walmart!

Then there were these two guys on this message board....

nice post!

but still can't believe you spent 90 minutes in a wal mart looking for a bird.

The Bid 09-11-2007 09:01 AM

I like Shopton Lane too.

GPK 09-11-2007 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
nice post!

but still can't believe you spent 90 minutes in a wal mart looking for a bird.


I try not to spend 90 seconds in Wal Mart...

damn redneck central...

GPK 09-11-2007 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
And me


and of course you....


but its the late Mortimer we all aspire to be as good looking as...

NTamm1215 09-11-2007 09:13 AM

I have to say I'm a little surprised that everyone thinks Tiz Wonderful is done. There were enough people out there to make him 9/2 in the Jim Dandy and it's pretty easy to think he needed a race. Could Asmussen have run him in an allowance race and then the Travers? Sure.

This horse showed a great deal of talent last year and tomorrow's race definitely is make or break.

NT

Bobby Fischer 09-11-2007 09:52 AM

Misérables ?
 
T. Misérables looked like he was rolling up on the leaders at about the 5.5-6furlong point and then stopped. He was very rank and Johnny was fighting him a bit- if he has his athleticism back maybe he can relax here. IMO it could go either way. There is a fair chance that he will never be a Graded Level horse (or even a 75k stakes level), but he is still a possible talent, and just being at 80% of what he was puts him in contention.

Is Warrior the obvious alternative?

Levine has his horse at its peak.

What the heck happened to Reptilian Smarts in the Barbaro? How bad was his gate trouble? Give me a good reason to draw a line through that race???:confused:

The Bid 09-11-2007 10:26 AM

Levines horse will be tough even if Tiz Wonderful is 100%.

blackthroatedwind 09-11-2007 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What am I missing about Levine's horse?


Nothing. He's not even in the race.

MisterB 09-11-2007 11:13 AM

People shop at Walmart still

docicu3 09-11-2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Nothing. He's not even in the race.


"21 posts"........did you want to see the pretty track names again????

Please play our Del P4 sir!!!

viscount26 09-11-2007 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
I try not to spend 90 seconds in Wal Mart...

damn redneck central...

Home sweet home eh Kev
:D

GPK 09-11-2007 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by viscount26
Home sweet home eh Kev
:D



gfy sheep lover:cool:

viscount26 09-11-2007 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
gfy sheep lover:cool:

ROR
:D

Indian Charlie 09-11-2007 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swedejxn
Exceptionally brilliant posting by I-Charlie during the wee hours... But did you get any 'capping done?

Capping? I'm only here to give dumb people a hard time!!

Not that I'm referring to anyone in particular.

And thank you for the complement!

Indian Charlie 09-11-2007 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
IC...we have had very little contact on here...but the more I read your stuff, the more I like it.



Now if you were only as good looking as Drugs and myself.....

Thanks!

However, I could never dare to dream to be that good looking. My utter lack of vanity would demand that the long hours I'd need would be too much work.

GPK 09-11-2007 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Thanks!

However, I could never dare to dream to be that good looking. My utter lack of vanity would demand that the long hours I'd need would be too much work.


Sadly, not everyone is blessed with the ability to arise from bed in the morning and be stunningly handsome without any work.

It's a curse....but I fight on...

Indian Charlie 09-11-2007 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
nice post!

but still can't believe you spent 90 minutes in a wal mart looking for a bird.

Thanks too!

I spent about 30 of those 90 minutes looking at how I could expand my electronics collection and trying to figure out why they had only my three least favorite ben & jerry's flavors in stock.

We were about to give up on that bird, and yeah, an hour may seem excessive, but I have a fondness for animals. Especially ones that have been wronged by people.

One time, I got out of my car on my street while driving, and picked up a snapping turtle that was just sitting in the road. After I deposited her in the woods, out of nowhere, I start hearing this applause! I thought it might be a long awaited appearance by god, but alas, it was this little 90 year granny that was watching me from up on her property.

It was a bit weird.

Indian Charlie 09-11-2007 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I have to say I'm a little surprised that everyone thinks Tiz Wonderful is done. There were enough people out there to make him 9/2 in the Jim Dandy and it's pretty easy to think he needed a race. Could Asmussen have run him in an allowance race and then the Travers? Sure.

This horse showed a great deal of talent last year and tomorrow's race definitely is make or break.

NT


To me, TW was clearly the best and most exciting colt from this entire crop. I actually saw video on one of his works prior to his comeback though, and thought he might not be the same. It was an early work though, so foolishly I thought he'd do okay in his comeback.

The impression I got while watching that race, well, it reminded me of Lady's Secret, back when she was making her last comeback. She looked like she was miserable out there on the track, and really didn't want to race anymore.

So, to me, it wasn't an issue of fitness. My guess was that he was in discomfort from running, or he was just mentally fighting being out there. Or maybe he really was having a bad allergic reaction to something.

Despite how people are taking my posts about him, I really do hope he comes back and runs to my earlier expectations of him. I'm a huge fan of his grandsire, cees tizzy, who was possibly one of the most unheralded talents ever!


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