Tiki Barber
 

I compare this guy to the type of person that when they have nothing to say in an argument, they go below the belt on something not pertinent to the argument. While I completely agree that a coach can take away your love and passion for a sport (it happened to me in baseball my senior year, new coach, baseball didn't become fun anymore), Tiki should just shut his mouth, making him look like a bigger idiot that he is.

You can tell that he wants to play football again, and trying to figure out a way to get back in.

To me,the best leader(manager,coach or whatever you want to call it) in professional sports is Mike Scioscia.His teams play as "one." To me,this Coughlin guy is the opposite.So, I really see no use for this guy as a head coach.I saw Coughlin and Tiki together ON THAT FOX NEWS MORNING SHOW (a couple years ago.) Tiki was kind of hosting it for a while(when people were gone for a week or two.) They seemed to like each other then.Why would he have had Coughlin on there if they weren't getting along? Tiki threw in the towel(retired) very early.How much of a competitor is that guy? I mean he would rather be a bullshit guy on T.V. than play ball,so he was part of the problem with that Giants team.Neither one of these deserve the attention they get.Coughlin is a loser,and Tiki is a quitter(and a self-serving back stabber.)

I think Barber is a smart man.
He will be able to walk at 60 years old.

Football is an absolutley brutal sport on the body. If I had a son good enough to play I would not let him.

Baseball is clearly the way to go. DH for life. The best salaries are in baseball, you get to spend a heck of a lot of time clowning around... and you really dont have to be in the kind of shape you must be in for football or basketball.

I don't have a problem with him retiring.....totally your own decision--but, the way he threw Eli Manning under the bus and then backed over him again was wrong. Manning may be a lousy leader, only time will tell, but that is stuff that should stay in the locker room. Who is going to trust him with anything confidential?

In excerpts of his new book "Tiki: My Life in the Game and Beyond" obtained by the New York Daily News, Barber writes that he might still be playing if Tom Coughlin weren't still coaching the Giants.

"If Tom Coughlin had not remained as head coach of the Giants, I might still be in a Giants uniform," Barber writes, according to the Daily News.

"[Coughlin] robbed me of what had been one of the most important things I had in my life, which was the joy I felt playing football," Barber wrote, according to the newspaper. "I had lost that. He had taken it away."
Barber credits Coughlin with solving his chronic fumbling problems but wrote that he believes it was his performance that kept Coughlin employed by the Giants. Under Coughlin, Barber ranked among the NFL's top five rushers; in the three seasons beginning in 2004, Barber gained 1,518 (fifth), 1,860 (second) and 1,662 yards (fourth).

"It's a double-edged sword, because as much as Coach Coughlin helped me, I also helped Tom Coughlin," Barber wrote, according to the newspaper.

According to the Daily News, Barber also claims in the book that he was shorted about $10 million in his career by the Giants, who underpaid him compared with other top running backs.

This guy should be sentenced to a special type of probation. The only condition? He can't look into a mirror the rest of his life. Problem solved.

anyone have a picture of sour grapes?

I am a diehard Giant fan who used to love Tiki Barber and now detest him. I thought Eli summed it up the best, when he questioned what kind of leader was Barber. How could you be a leader when you rip the head coach through the media and then say that you are going to retire in like week 5 of the season. What kind of messages are you sending to your team. I do not like Coughlin at all, but before Coughlin came aboard Tiki put the ball on the ground constantly. Coughlin made him an MVP caliber type back. I do not know where he gets that 10 million dollar figure either. If he does stay retired I wish he would just talk about the Giants objectively. Don't rip the organization that drafted you and help you progress into a star. Try to have some class. Would I take him back, of course! But he must apoligize to the people and the giants organization for being the pompus a-hole that he has all of a sudden turned into!

All Tiki cares about is Tiki; he was a good running back, not great and he did a great diservice to the team last year with his retirement talk half way into the season. Keep the mic and spend time on five hours worth of the TODAY show on NBC each day, Tiki...you weren't that good.

I think you guys are missing the point. He is selling a book. He is getting tens of millions of dollars in free publicity. He is a smart guy. You dont really think that these guys really all love each other do you? At the pro level, it is ALL about the money. Maybe we cant understand it but the players do.

The guy is stating his (maybe) honest opinion ( a rare thing in sports nowdays) and he gets killed for it? Its not like he left a frat or social club. If he had slowed down a bit the Giants would not of hesitated to cut him.

What he said about Eli is what most of the league is probably thinking and saying he did not like Tom Coughlin is not exactly earthshattering news. TC is not a very well liked guy and it wasn't that long ago that the Giants almost had a mutiny because of him. (BTW- Coughlin's brother is a harness horse trainer)

But it is not easy hitting a curve ball. Ask MJ

Scuds none of this outrage ever happened while Mr Mara was alive. Tiki wouldn't dare open his mouth and insult one of the legends of the NFL. Remember it was Mr Mara and some of the other big market owners who pushed for revenue sharing on the tv deals and that is what has made the nfl waht it is today. After he died Tiki went on a self crusade to oust Mr Mara's hand picked guy - Tom Coughlin - Tom was hired because of the BC connection - the Mara's are big aulmnae up there and they know Tom from there and from his days with Parcells. I agree that Coughlin should go , he is not the type of coach you win a super bowl with , the sideline antics are just too much. Someone in the Giants organzation needs to stand up and tell Tiki to stick it where the sun don't shine. He has embarssed himself and he is embarrsing the giant oraganization and the former owner, there is no need for this - YOU ARE RETIRED TIKI - comment on all 28 teams please!

Well,my friend says Tiki is a "House Negro" doing "House Negro" things(like this backstabbing etc.) Well,he used slightly different words.I just think it's odd the guy seemed to respect Coughlin a couple years ago,and then turns on him.No,Canon(Simon) we don't understand somebody doing this just to sell books.You're the expert on selling, though.So,maybe you're right.

Hello racist police you have a customer!!!

You act like these guys are blood brothers or something. They play and coach on a professional football team for god sakes. The majority of them didn't chose to be on the team. It's not like choosing a college or country club. They get paid to play which doesn't mean they are all buddies or friends. What do you mean backstabbing? He seems to be very upfront with his comments. He seemed to respect his coach? Shocking that he would do that publically. It is not like this guy is "outing" a gay guy or telling some inside secrets. He says that Coughlin made football not fun and that is the reason that he retired early. What is the big deal about that? Listen to Coughlin for about 2 minutes and you can see that he does not seem to be a barrel of laughs. I think if he had said it last year while he was still playing it would have been much worse. He is retired. He is not a member of the team anymore. He has a job in the media. I like the fact that he seems to not be afraid to say what he thinks. I never knew that he was bound for life by NY Giant nation to some secret code of honor.

The Giants suck anyway.

and Scuds since you like to take shots at me.....



















The Dodgers suck too!!!!!!! Have fun leaving in the 7th inning after puking up the all you can eat bleacher food!









BTW- Tommy Lasorda is gay

Sorry, just wanted to get Scuds going

Oh yeah Scuds about this guy choking....

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407793

Dont you wish your team had him?

He'll get really pissed when I remind him that he has Juan Pierre in center for 4 more years. Did you see when he bounced one in from centerfield against the Mets a few weeks back. To the cutoff man. He cant even hit the cut off man on the fly. Sorry Scuds but I could not resist.

Vlad's 9th kid has a better arm....and he walks more too

Chuck,you get that elusive Grade One Win yet? I haven't been paying attention.So,maybe I missed it.



On a more serious note,I think Lasorda had a gay kid,and (from what I remember)disowned him.The kid may have died of AIDS.I am not sure about that part though(it's been a while.)

Scuds, your my boy but what is up with the ball busting? Very unlike you

Chuck,maybe get one of your owners to name a horse "Juan Who.".........Cuz this guy is pretty invisible out there.I'm sure he gets hits with men on,but for some reason, it seems like he gets 80% of his hits with nobody on/2 outs.

Well,he will tell you that he doesn't care about it(Grade One Wins,) so I think you're more concerned with it than he is.Anyways,
that's all I got for him...I am like the Dodgers going into extra innings(after they've used Saito and Broxton,Beimel.)

Scavs,the Cubs are gunna take atleast 1 against the Dodgers,right?

Lets hope so, if they get swept Wrigley might burn down

Dodgers don't hit good pitching.Any quality pitching effort destroys them.So,it's not like a mystery(how to beat them.)Just pitch a little bit,and they will lay down. That much I can promise you.

I agree. The thing about the Cubs that is really starting to piss me off is actually the fans. I would say about 15% of the bleachers crowd might have a clue and about 40% of the seated crowd understand the game of baseball. Matter of fact, I liken this new breed of Cub fan to some horse players, the ones that think they are machines and should run the same way every single time. I have been a die hard Cub fan since I can remember. I know about Keith Moreland, Doug Dascenzo, Jody Davis, Leon Durham. It really pains me to go to games now day, especially in the bleachers. Don't get me wrong, they are about as much fun as going to the strip club,which is a good thing, but I just wish they people would educate themselves. Bunch of yuppie people that look for the first thing to be negative about. Makes fans like myself, who know/love/respect the game look like idiots.

No Dave Kingman, Manny Trillo or Rick Reuschel?

Dave Kingman went to my high school way back in the day. Nice call on the Manny Trillo. Lloyd McClendon, ShaONE Duston(my guy from back in the day)

And lets not forget BOB SCANLON

eww...LES LANCASTER

Bob Dernier in centerfield

LEE SMITH and the HAWK...

And the other Smith that I cant remember his first name. Play the field, Leon or something, I'll think of it

Back to Tiki, the problem here is that he is full of sh*%. If Coughlin was really the reason he retired, why would he announce it in the middle of the season last year? Why wouldn't he wait until the end of the year and not only see if Coughin got fired (which nearly happened), but lobby for it with upper management? He wouldn't be the first player to pull that trick. I have the feeling that if the Giants had a choice of having either Tiki or Coughlin back, Tiki would be back. I doubt Coughlin will be back next year anyway. I find it hard to believe that Tiki quit because of Coughlin, he quit because he wanted the job in the media.

Chuck, I agree with you that it is good for players to speak their minds, but Tiki has gone beyond that. First, it should be the truth. Second, regarding Manning, I have no problem with him criticizing him, but he should not be commenting on things that occurred in the locker room between players, not in front of journalists. Criticize his play all you want (there should be more than enough fodder to this point), but don't start trying to tear a team apart as a journalist that you no longer play for.

If you want to hear a guy with no clue,then it would be this damn Charlie Steiner(calls some of the Dodger away games when Scully stays in L.A.)THAT GUY REALLY DOES THINK ABOUT 80% of flyballs are going yard,and when they don't, it's always the wind that knocked that ball down.

Saw Jody Davis play "A" ball with the Mets minor league team back in 1977 (Little Falls Mets).

The whole thing with Tiki and Coughlin is :

1)Tiki is about as 2 faced as it gets,and thinks he was worth way more than he ever was(too big an ego,and not a team player.)

2)Coughlin can't get guys to play as a single unit.

All this stuff is the result of that.

And Giants will be .500 at best and Coughlin will be gone after the season...but at least Strahan is back :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: