India shippers??????
 

In tomorrow's 6th at AP Holding Court ships in from Bangalore India for a 0-0 stat trainer. His bankroll of 286K over 21 races is impressive, considering his rivals tomorrow. Has absolutely no speed ratings; beyers or otherwise and his final times aren't all that impressive. Any ideas? I'm inclined to throw him out. Very full and impressive card for Arlington's "Turf Day". Should be a great one with the welcomed extra money from the huge crowd they will draw.

Dell,

First, awesome avatar!

Can't believe the horse can be a whole lot but might be better if it's 107 degrees as most likely what it's use to. The way jobs are being outsourced to India I have to take a stand against. What, now they are replacing our horses too?

Spyder

this one is a head scratcher. We have only 2 more weeks in the meet and this guy ships in with his first horse. Probably just going to single Go Between and use Demeteor as a backup at 10-1.

I remember there was an India bred and raced horse in one of the Dubai World Cup Turf Races this year. They interviewed the trainer before the race, and he straight up said "that he just wanted the horse to run respectable, and a top-3 finish would be a bonus". I'm not sure if it's the same horse, or if it's a different one. But when looking at it's stats in the DRF, it did have a turf tomlinson of over 400. I apologize for not remembering the name. All I'm getting at, is maybe it's becoming an up and coming country for horse racing? All you need is some rich people, and import some well-bred horses for breeding purposes, and you have a base.

Different horse. That one was named Mystical. Not sure of trainer.

just found out different tainer as well. Ganapathy trained Mystical and this guy's name is Padmanabhan.

Holding Court was gonna come for the Arlington Million but had problems getting here.....

Read something on one of the India racing sites..... he had stops in India, Thailand, So Korea, Alaska..... geez. Poor thing.

A lot of planning and effort and India is trying so hard to gain international respect..... GOOD for them for coming. This horse was 2nd to the greatest horse in India, Mystical, a few times..... hope he does well.

Found a picture of the trainer
 

THE GREATEST HORSE IN INDIA!!! :)

A picture of Holding Court and his trainer, because i thought the other one was, ummm..... why don't i not go into that. :mad:

http://www.indiarace.com/Reviews/Mum...-AnilMukhi.htm

Piece on Indiarace.com.....

Holding Court to run on Labor Day

By Tom Krish
Aug 29, 2007


Holding Court is training forwardly. Under the watchful eye of trainer Padmanabhan, the Indian star went 1200 metres in 1.12.8 last Sunday. The official Arlington Park track report characterized the work as ‘breezing.’

The $45,000 Rossi Gold Stakes to be run on Monday, September 3, 2007 is Holding Court’s target. It is a race over 1900 metres on the grass and is for horses three year-olds and up. The Arlington Park publicity wing is going to extraordinary lengths to promote Holding Court’s debut on American soil.

Monday is a national holiday in America. It is Labor Day. It is the day on which summer vacations end and it is time for children to go back to school. Technically, summer comes to an end at the beginning of the fourth week in September.

There are nine races scheduled for Labor Day. The first race will be run on the polytrack. Races two through nine, will be on the grass. Chicago, after experiencing severe thunderstorms, is going through a dry spell. If the weather holds up, grass racing on Labor Day should be a veritable feast.

I talked to trainer Paddy on Sunday in a friend’s house in Naperville, a suburb of Chicago. “I have come a long way. I was an assistant to trainer B L Mohan in 1977 in Chennai. Later, I worked for trainer Mir Hyder Ali Khan in Hyderabad. I went out on my own in 1981. If I remember correctly, Insat was my first major winner in 1983. It was on Invitation Cup day in Mumbai. I moved my base to Bangalore as racing in Chennai deteriorated. M Subramaniam and C Krishnamurthy are names I readily recall. Their early patronage paved the way for future successes.”

“I have about fifty horses in training. Thirty four of them are racing and the others are two year-olds who will begin their careers when winter racing gets underway in India. I have always been interested in exploring new horizons. I took Classical Act and Zurbaran to race in the Dubai festival in 2005. Despite tremendous adversity, they acquitted themselves well. Classical Act, especially, made me proud. Holding Court’s trip to America is an extension of my dream.”

Trainer Padmanabhan spoke in glowing terms of his help in Chicago. “Vikram Singh has come from India. He knows Holding Court and is the critical link. James McKeown from England has come to Arlington and he will stay with Holding Court as we consider our future options.”

“Travel problems generated by quarantine restrictions set our clock back. The presence of screw worms in horses coming from abroad is a major concern in the US. Screw worms are more prevalent in tropical countries. Holding Court had been assured a spot in the Million (on August 11) but he was held up in New York. It was a logistical challenge. From Bangalore, it was on to Chennai. The next stop was Bangkok. The next stop was Seoul. From Seoul, Holding Court went to Anchorage in Alaska. Then it was across America to New York, on the east coast. Seven days in New York and finally to Chicago. It was unfortunate that we did not get to Chicago to race in the Million. The time of the race, the way the race was run and the ‘yielding’ ground would have given Holding Court a realistic chance,” Padmanabhan averred.

In the case of Dubai, there is a detention center in Mumbai, run with generous assistance from the Poonawallas. Horses from India can now go to Dubai in a matter of hours because of the new ‘protocol.’ I wish a similar scenario is created for other destinations as well,” Padmanabhan noted.

“Arlington Park is beautiful. I am impressed with the all-weather track. You cannot ask for better facilities. Above all, people are friendly and helpful. We are being treated very well. I am very satisfied with the way Holding Court is working. I am expecting a brisk pace in the Rossi Gold. I am optimistic,” Padmanabhan continued.

Talking about the significance of the American visit, trainer Padmanabhan was philosophical. “Holding Court represents the aspirations of the Indian breeding establishment. Competing at the highest level in the US is a big challenge. It needs meticulous planning. You have to keep the horse in good condition. India is being put on the world racing map. Personally, it gives me immense job satisfaction.”

Holding Court will stay on in America. After the Rossi Gold, trainer Paddy is looking at a race in Kentucky in early October.

http://indiarace.com/

I am impressed with their intitiative and I wish the team well. Welcome to America !

PPs......

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...cher_86102.pdf

I expect the Indian invader to be favored. There isn't a whole lot to beat in there.

MMSC wouldn't say it, but i will. That picture was racist and i hope it is removed from this thread.

This horse is pretty useful, and wouldn't be out of it's depth in many of the top turf races in America.

A few years ago i said that India would soon be a force to be reckoned with in international Horseracing and at the moment they are going the right way in proving me right. They are slowing building up a base of very wealthy owners and soon, i predict them to be competeing at the very highest level (especially in Dubai).

I for one hope it smokes the field at Arlington.

It must just shut a few people up.

what a journey this horse took to make it here? very sporting of them and good luck to these guys who are just trying to build up their program by getting noticed internationally.

He'll be getting a nice weight break today. He's been carrying between 132 and 136 in India. 118 today.

You're right.

I wouldn't say it because it was wrong on so many levels.....

Oh and the comment about taking a stand against and outsourcing?

Okay right... I forgot that is THIS horses fault so lets all take it out on him.

Jesus.

This is racing. This is about racing.

Talk about sportsmanship... the planning and frustration and cost and stress and everything else involved to get this horse over here and there's a little joke or "joke" that shows Ugly American Syndrome at it's finest? You who would not only stereotype but belittle a true icon to millions around the world as well.....

It makes me sick.

Care to enlighten this educated bleeding heart Yankee liberal on how that picture is rascist?

BTW, I'm betting the horse from India

I'm with MyMissStormCat and NoChanceto Dance on this one. The picture is the sort of racist crap that we don't need in this country and certainly don't need on this site.
And by the way, if people can't understand why posting that picture and saying that it is a picture of the horse's trainer is racist......I would suggest they figure out what actually constitutes racism. It doesn't only exist in the KKK.

Was an attempt at humor but you're right it was bad form. I apologize to those offended.

I guess it's the result of my feelings on the vast wave of jobs that have been lost in this country by huge corporations that will do everything to squeeze a greater profit at the expense of the American worker....and several calls to US Air and ending up talking to someone in India that has not a clue how to pronounce most statses as well as properly serve the customer.

Sorry,

Spyder

Thanks for your response, Miraja.

Thank you for the apology.

I did find the picture of very bad taste.

The American racing fan better used to foreign horses coming over and taking your prize money, and not just from England and Ireland.

Everyone laughs when they see a horse from India, but everyone used to laugh at horses from Hong Kong and Japan, but now people run scared of them.

Everyone has to start from somewhere. In the next 10 years, you'll see many top horses coming from the likes of India and even Turkey (yes, you read it right, i did say Turkey). They are up and coming countries in this game, and if the big racing countries around the world dismiss them as has been done before many of us could look like complete fools.

I understand that the outsourcing of jobs is annoying, but that is our fault not theirs. We want to do no work for as much money as possible, we are greedy. They take what they can get, and for that, i applaud them. I play cricket with a few indian stable lads, not only will they do anything for you if you ask, but they are the most reliable people i know and fantastic horsemen also.

Someone told me privately that you're a decent type and I'm glad to find out for myself that you are.

There's enough hatred in the world... you know? So anything i see as an attack or disrespect, borderline racism etc.... I just have to call the person on it.

Racing is about the horses and so is without borders, to me anyway. That sounds cliche but i can't think of another way to word it.

I do understand that you meant it as humor... I'm not humorless..... but thank you for understanding that it bothered me, why it bothered me, and for taking the time to respond. :)

There is nothing racist about making fun of Ghandi. Lighten up. Your response is what drives the "racist" mentality. I am sure that I am not a racist but oddly found humor in the picture. It is a funny picture. It may have been in poor taste but that is not a crime.

insensitive racist bastard...:D

Horse did not look like he switched leads.

insensitive......maybe

Nice Exacta Pick. I hope you played it.

He looks like a $40k claimer over here. Chased a soft pace and was empty. Not exactly a bunch of world beaters in there today. If anyone thinks this is racist or insensitive, I apologize in advance.

Look mmsc, you were right :D

It gets boring when you can predict future posts.

He finished 2nd to Mystical, he is no claimer..... that's for sure.

Probably not a claimer type here but who knows. Thought he looked a bit thin in the post parade. He is well traveled and I hope they decide to stick him around and drop him in Allowance company or run him on the poly.

Well the winner of todays race, who was decisively better today, most recently won a pair of $40k claimers. I'm know you are seemingly the all- knowing, European sophisticate but he does not look like much based upon his race today. Of course smart guys like you know more than us uneducated Americans who saw a poor performance from a top horse from a country that you touted "long ago" as the next world superpower in horseracing.

First of all, I don't think anybody is suggesting that it was a "crime."
Secondly, to say that MMSC's response is "what drives the racist mentality" is, quite frankly, absurd. The picture is a racist, offensive caricature, and MMSC's response was intelligent and articulate.
As for TheSpyder, he came on here and apologized, which I give him credit for doing. A lot of people can't admit to making mistakes....even on the internet. It takes a big person to do that, and he did it without any BS. I think we all know that he didn't mean anything malicious by it, and as far as I am concerned, the matter is over.

It's these sort of sarcastic posts i usually just laugh at and move on, but you persist in mocking people's posts, i will make a comment.

As has been mentoned before, this horse has had many travels previous to this start, so at least give him that credit. Maybe all that travelling too too much out of him? Did you ever ask yourself that question......? doesn't look like it.

Someone said he looked thin in the paddock, i guess you didn't see that, either.

As i said, he has finished second to Mystical, so he is no claimer, no matter what today's race suggested. I guess you just look at one previous run when betting, do you? Fine tactic. It was one run, how can you say he is a claimer? You must be some expert to know that from seeing him race one time. Let me bow down and worship your wisdom :rolleyes:

Did i ever mention the word "superpower" in any part of my previous post?
*looks back over it*.......... No, i didn't. But they are an up and coming country in this sport and any horses being shipped to run in any country around the world shouldn't just be dismissed just because of where he/she is trained, neither should they be overlooked after much travelling and one race in a foreign country.

A very well written post. :)

I think everyone needs to lighten up.

You too my friend are a little too sensitive. The picture is NOT racist in any manner. If you want to take offense, then take it. Just because a picture depicts a person of a different race than you, it is not necesarily racist. The "racist mentality" that you too seem to have is when racism is used as a substitute for poor taste. There is a huge difference. Spyder is a nice guy who attempted a little humor. You guys are the ones who turned it into an issue.

There is a Bud light commercial that plays excessively of a guy teaching a class of decidedly non-americans to speak English. There are the typical sterotypes and funny (foreign sounding) pronounciations. That is called humor. Or maybe Budweiser is a racist company too. Maybe it is not your type but it also is not racist. Is Rush Hour 3 a racist movie because Chris Tucker makes Chinese jokes and pokes fun at the way Jackie Chan talks? Maybe I am the politically incorrect one but maybe you should lighten up and stop making the world such a miserable place with all your correctness.

A very well written post.

Of course the travel is a concern but finishing second to Mystical last year does not make him a good horse. As for his paddock presence, how do we know that he is doesn't look like that all the time? My probem with you is that you make these kind of statements like you have some kind of info that the rest of us don't have. Your condescending tone too often does not make you a favorite either. You have repeatedly expressed your disdain with how the syntheic tracks are cared for over here though there are many different types in all maners of different climates. The fact that you have no more idea than anyone else here about how they are being cared for never deters you. The fact that Darley is becoming the stallion power in the US seems to bother you as you always knock them even though all evidence is that they are on the right track. Your taking offense to Spyders attempt at a little humor also comes off as a typical response. If you dont like what I'm saying then simply ignore me. Or keep responding. I don't care either way.