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Hail2Reason 08-26-2007 05:17 PM

ESPN needs new Horse Racing crew
 
They need some new blood in there.

I say replace Jeannine Edwards with Christina Olivares. Steve Byk could replace Randy Moss. Not sure what he looks like but his radio personality is much better than anything Randy Moss has. As for Hank Goldberg, anyone would be better. He is clueless. Does he get paid to sit there and pick 3-5 shots?

Of course horse racing doesn't have any new fans, it is like the Senior Citizens of America are the ones promoting the sport.

Ronnie 08-26-2007 05:19 PM

Some people like the ESPN crew.

pmayjr 08-26-2007 05:23 PM

I think the crew is fine, except for Hammerin' Hank. Get rid of him. Just find a way for Durkin to get out of the NBC deal, so he can call every important horse race and it'll be as good as possible.

Hail2Reason 08-26-2007 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie
Some people like the ESPN crew.

Some people. What is that 10 of the 20 people that are watching? Without Kenny Mayne there yesterday it was painful to listen to the coverage.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-26-2007 05:32 PM

Moss and Jenine Edwards are great.

Hank may be a lousy analyst....but he's a man of the people...as evidence by all the cheering.

miraja2 08-26-2007 05:34 PM

I see no need to replace Edwards or Moss.
I do, however, think that there are hundreds of people on DT alone that would be an upgrade over Goldberg.

miraja2 08-26-2007 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Moss and Jenine Edwards are great.

Hank may be a lousy analyst....but he's a man of the people...as evidence by all the cheering.

Wow, great minds think alike apparently........and so do ours.

Ronnie 08-26-2007 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Wow, great minds think alike apparently........and so do ours.


Get a room!! ;)

miraja2 08-26-2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie
Get a room!! ;)

As fun as it would be to get a room and discuss Randy Moss with DrugS.........I think I'll pass.

Indian Charlie 08-26-2007 05:51 PM

the more camera time for miss edwards, the better.

she filled out those jeans pretty nicely when she did that bit a few weeks ago about the violette barn in the morning.

Hail2Reason 08-26-2007 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
the more camera time for miss edwards, the better.

she filled out those jeans pretty nicely when she did that bit a few weeks ago about the violette barn in the morning.

She looks great on a small tv, but on a large screen she looks pretty tough. Veins popping out of her neck are sort of scary. If we just want something nice to look at I prefer the TVG girl.

miraja2 08-26-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2Reason
She looks great on a small tv, but on a large screen she looks pretty tough. Veins popping out of her neck are sort of scary. If we just want something nice to look at I prefer the TVG girl.

I'm sure there are a lot of people they could get that would be hotter than Edwards, but she is attractive, classy, and knows a little about the game. They could do a lot worse.

Coach Pants 08-26-2007 06:06 PM

I prefer they get Miss Teen USA - South Carolina to take Edwards' place.

Charismatic1 08-26-2007 06:08 PM

When they do west coast broadcasts they usually have Jay Privman in place of Hank. They should just use a noted east coast DRF handicapper instead of the Hammer. Actually, why do they need anybody to replace him at all? I find his role meaningless. He's not bad when he does his football picks in the early Sunday morns, but maybe that's just comparing it to the drivel he puts out for racing. Watching him take five minutes to explain and justify his Travers' selection was painful.

Coach Pants 08-26-2007 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Charismatic1
When they do west coast broadcasts they usually have Jay Privman in place of Hank. They should just use a noted east coast DRF handicapper instead of the Hammer. Actually, why do they need anybody to replace him at all? I find his role meaningless. He's not bad when he does his football picks in the early Sunday morns, but maybe that's just comparing it to the drivel he puts out for racing. Watching him take five minutes to explain and justify his Travers' selection was painful.

Well in that case they should replace Hank with Mike Watchmaker.

tiznowthegreat 08-26-2007 06:47 PM

I for one really enjoy the ESPN crew minus Hammerin Hank. Really like Moss and Bailey's insight. I could be the biggest Kenny Mayne fan in the world, think he is hilarious and he never gets old. Will never forget him telling the governor of Kentucky that he brings his children to his state so he can graze on the grass and watching the governors reaction. I am not a big fan of Edwards, sometimes I think she tries too hard. The only way Hank should still be on is if they let him start riding horses, that might be funny to watch. We're all missing something because it is a absolute joke for him to continue to be on tv.

Ronnie 08-26-2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason
She looks great on a small tv, but on a large screen she looks pretty tough. Veins popping out of her neck are sort of scary. If we just want something nice to look at I prefer the TVG girl.

So, are you a lesbian? Nevermind, its none of my business.

reese 08-26-2007 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I prefer they get Miss Teen USA - South Carolina to take Edwards' place.


Well you know whart they say..."birds of a feather flock together:D



http://www.maniacworld.com/what-is-s...ing-about.html

Danzig 08-26-2007 07:25 PM

i think moss and edwards do fine. the others, i could take or leave. i'd rather have mayne than bailey or goldberg, hank always seems lost for words. randy moss is a good handicapper, so i don't understand the need for goldberg anyway. and the more often they hand it off, the more awkward it can be...

Rileyoriley 08-26-2007 07:27 PM

Moss and Mayne for me.:)

hi_im_god 08-26-2007 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason
They need some new blood in there.

I say replace Jeannine Edwards with Christina Olivares. Steve Byk could replace Randy Moss. Not sure what he looks like but his radio personality is much better than anything Randy Moss has. As for Hank Goldberg, anyone would be better. He is clueless. Does he get paid to sit there and pick 3-5 shots?

"I say replace Jeannine Edwards with Christina Olivares."

the comparison sitting olivares next to goldberg would violate the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

"Steve Byk could replace Randy Moss."

do you swallow?

"Not sure what he looks like"

he's batman.

"but his radio personality is much better than anything Randy Moss has."

randy moss's horse racing website is much better than this so that's a wash.

"As for Hank Goldberg, anyone would be better."

1 vote for the fatter, giant sideburned, english accented hank goldberg noted.

"He is clueless."

i would have gone with he sweats too much.

"Does he get paid to sit there and pick 3-5 shots?"

he's paid to eat production assistant's who move too slow. the 3-5 picks are a bonus.

Travis Stone 08-26-2007 09:53 PM

The best ESPN line was when Mayne said to the Governor, "Your state still has the nations second tallest waterfall. What is your administration doing to get to number one?"

Or something like that -- hilarious!

Merlinsky 08-26-2007 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
The best ESPN line was when Mayne said to the Governor, "You're still has the nations second tallest waterfall. What is your administration doing to get to number one?"

Or something like that -- hilarious!

Yeah I kinda adore Kenny. There, I said it. I like having him, Randy and Jerry at the desk and I guess Jeanine's fine doing the interviews. Poor Hank is completing a coherent sentence about 20% of the time. What I wonder is why he insists on trying until he hits one before he wraps it up--at that point he gets some confidence and goes for a second. Unfortunately that's above the quota for the next 30 minutes so he should probably have the director give him a signal when he finishes the first one. As a helpful reminder. I wouldn't mind so much except the others have to sit and fidget and it takes time away from their speaking.

-BT- 08-26-2007 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Moss and Jenine Edwards are great.

Hank may be a lousy analyst....but he's a man of the people...as evidence by all the cheering.


all those guys were cheering b/c hank probably just did a keg stand with them minutes before hand. I would hate to sit next to him during a taping, all the spitting and sweating all over the place. He struggles over the simplest phrases and questions. He has almost a longer delay than Larry Merchant.. "Champ........... how did................ you......................win.......... this fight...................tonight?"

Mayne is the color, im not a fan but it looks like he's in for the long hall. Bailey brings the hands on, and Moss brings the gambling/breeding/racing knowledge to the show. Jeanine is the "skirt" (sorry ladies), and she seems like she has a pretty good head on her shoulder when it comes to horses.

Bottom line, Moss is the glue who keeps the show going. I also like what ESPN has done adding the MPH to running order during the race. It's a small step, but i noticed it

-bt-

goingtothewhip 08-27-2007 02:26 AM

My .25 cents,

I think Hank Goldberg is akin to Joe Morgan or a Tim McCarver calling a baseball game. Morons with verbal dysentery that without fail produce discussions such as this. And that's how the Bristol mafia keeps you thinking and talking about them.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2007 11:56 AM

Hank Goldberg is a fat idiot.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-27-2007 12:01 PM

Is that why the people love him so?

deltagulf 08-27-2007 12:31 PM

me too moss and maine bailey is o.k.
for that matter where is kenny maine?

Cannon Shell 08-27-2007 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf
me too moss and maine bailey is o.k.
for that matter where is kenny maine?

Remember the Maine? He pitched for the Mets last night.

FGFan 08-27-2007 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-


I also like what ESPN has done adding the MPH to running order during the race. It's a small step, but i noticed it

-bt-

I liked that too, and the yardage lines...300 yds, 100 yds.
Best thing is that it's in HD ! Very....:cool:

brianwspencer 08-27-2007 01:07 PM

There are very few people who are ever on television discussing horse racing with more knowledge and insight than Randy Moss. Cutting him from the crew would be a grave mistake.

As for Edwards -- she asks the right questions, never loses composure, and is a pretty lady to boot.

I could do without Hank, and I enjoy Kenny Mayne when given the option of other replacement moderators they may have on those telecasts.

All in all, I think they've got a pretty solid bunch.

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Originally Posted by -BT-
I also like what ESPN has done adding the MPH to running order during the race. It's a small step, but i noticed it

Also, I thought that the inclusion of the MPH was one of the most stupid and useless pieces of information they could give us during a race. I see no point in having that information shown during the running of the race.

Sightseek 08-27-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I'm sure there are a lot of people they could get that would be hotter than Edwards, but she is attractive, classy, and knows a little about the game. They could do a lot worse.

I wonder when Balletto is supposed to take over her job?

Indian Charlie 08-27-2007 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I wonder when Balletto is supposed to take over her job?

i thought by now you'd have figured out that balletto is hank goldberg.

where's the avatar??!

FGFan 08-27-2007 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer


Also, I thought that the inclusion of the MPH was one of the most stupid and useless pieces of information they could give us during a race. I see no point in having that information shown during the running of the race.

I found it interesting, not necessary, but interesting.
I enjoy ESPN, TVG and hope to enjoy HRTV when I add Dish.
As long as horse racing is broadcast, I'm happy.

fpsoxfan 08-27-2007 04:28 PM

I've always been a Jeannine Edwards fan, but standing behind the winners circle on Whitney Day sort of ruined it for me. She does have the vein thing going on, but I can look past that. The thing that surprised me was how anal and uptight she was kind of bossing everyone around when the camera wasn't on her. I guess that's just part of her job, but that was a little personality turn off for me. As far a Mayne, he could be a little more serious at times, but for the most part he's pretty good. Moss does a super job and Bailey is O.K. Hank doesn't bother me. You have to love unintentional comedy.

2 Dollar Bill 08-27-2007 04:47 PM

I wonder if the REAL question is.... Does Horse Racing Need ESPN. ?
After all ESPN will void a horse race if........ something....ANYTHING goes extra time.... and who suffers ? If Horse Racing could get there act right and let ONE place take bets, show ALL the tracks and make the $$$$$ paying customers Happy. After all,shouldnt business do that to the people who pay the bills ?

ELA 08-27-2007 05:32 PM

I won't get into the petty remarks or what have you, however, IMO, I think ESPN does a very good job vis a vis "the product" that is made available to them, time slots, programming decisions, etc. Remember, the on-air talent doesn't control content or context for that matter. As far as on-air talent, I personally think there should be more of a "Bob Costas" element to broadcasting. The warm and fuzzies are great, but there is always more.

Personally, personal feelings aside, reputation on the backstretch, etc. -- I like what Jerry Bailey brings to the table. I don't often like the delivery, voice inflection, and similar attributes, but I have always said that getting a jockey's perspective on various aspects of racing is something that most fans -- including most here -- don't see, know about, understand, and so on. Don't get me wrong, if you are not interested in that, great, take what you like and leave the rest. However, how many people have ever seen the starting gate up close and now about all the steps leading up to the break? And everything that happens at the break and into the start of the race. There's so much in our sport that is so great and the public should see that.

As far as being on camera, in my own field, professionally, I have been on national TV/cable numerous times. Let me say this -- it ain't easy, LOL. You could know everything in the world about the topic at hand and -- it still ain't easy, LOL. When you are the on-air talent for a segment, normally, you are in a zone of being able to perform -- that's what you do. You rely on many people to do many things so that you can perform.

Anyway, I think "the product" is not an easy one to televise, and it needs to be positioned or repositioned. There are some great stories that the public should see and hear about. The "behind the scenes" aspects are rarely seen and that too could enhance the product so to speak. Of course, like many, we should see more of it.

Eric

Sightseek 08-27-2007 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
i thought by now you'd have figured out that balletto is hank goldberg.

where's the avatar??!

We won't ask how you found this out. :eek:

Indian Charlie 08-27-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
We won't ask how you found this out. :eek:


my nickname used to be 'no-shid sherlock'


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