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Kasept 08-15-2007 10:22 PM

DMR: PacClas; Mile; O'Brien (Sun.)
 
3rd (2:00) Pat O'Brien H. (G2)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Soul City Slew Leparoux J R 113 L
2 Absolute Glory Quinonez A 111 L
3 Publication Baze M C 115 L
4 Bordonaro Migliore R 119 L
5 Greg's Gold Espinoza V 117 L
6 Surf Cat Solis A 122 L


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7th (4:00) Del Mar Mile H. (G2)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Captain Kurt (NZ) Espinoza V 115 L
2 Becrux (ITY) Flores D R 121 L
3 Out of Control (BRZ) Baze M C 117 L
4 Frank the Barber Quinonez A 110 L
5 Isipingo Leparoux J R 114 L
6 Crossing The Line (NZ) Gomez G K 114 L
7 Zann Talamo J 114 L
8 Porto Santo (FR) Nakatani C S 115 L
9 Lang Field Court J K 115 L


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8th (4:30) Pacific Classic S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Lava Man Nakatani C S 124 L
2 Albertus Maximus Talamo J 117 L
3 Sun Boat (GB) Baze M C 124 L
4 Awesome Gem Flores D R 124 L
5 Student Council Migliore R 124 L
6 Porfido (CHI) Rosario J 124 L
7 Salty Humor Court J K 124 L
8 Arson Squad Solis A 124 L
9 Tiago Smith M E 117 L
10 Big Booster Gomez G K 124 L
11 A. P. Xcellent Espinoza V 124 L
12 Time Squared Leparoux J R 117
13 Hello Sunday (FR) Blanc B 124 L

Indian Charlie 08-15-2007 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
PP draw starts at 10:30 EST...

But field of 13 set...

A.P. Xcellent, Victor Espinoza;
Albertus Maximus, Joe Talamo;
Arson Squad, Alex Solis;
Awesome Gem, David Flores;
Big Booster, Garrett Gomez;
Hello Sunday, Brice Blanc;
Lava Man, Corey Nakatani;
Porfido, Joel Rosario;
Salty Humor, Jon Court;
Student Council, Richard Migliore;
Sun Boat, Michael Baze;
Tiago, Mike Smith;
Time Squared, Julien Leparoux...



NO Molengao!!


i read a few weeks ago that he had some sort of problem and didnt seem likely to make this race. suddenly, he was supposed to make it. this doesnt seem to surprising that he isnt going to run.

there was talk for awhile about lewis michael being entered. that would have been interesting.

letswastemoney 08-15-2007 10:31 PM

G1 quality closer on polytrack and he won't be the favorite??

Tiago FTW!!!:)

Alan07 08-15-2007 11:40 PM

Corey Nakatani, scheduled to handle Corazondelcampeon in the race, was unseated in the paddock prior to the race and was replaced. After an initial exam in the track first aid station, Nakatani, regular rider of Lava Man, the early favorite in the $1 million Pacific Classic on Sunday, was taken to Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla for x-rays of a possibly dislocated left shoulder. Nakatani also complained of sore thumbs.

Indian Charlie 08-16-2007 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07
Corey Nakatani, scheduled to handle Corazondelcampeon in the race, was unseated in the paddock prior to the race and was replaced. After an initial exam in the track first aid station, Nakatani, regular rider of Lava Man, the early favorite in the $1 million Pacific Classic on Sunday, was taken to Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla for x-rays of a possibly dislocated left shoulder. Nakatani also complained of sore thumbs.

when they x-rayed him, did they find his brain, or did they only xray the upper part of his body?

docicu3 08-16-2007 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07
Corey Nakatani, scheduled to handle Corazondelcampeon in the race, was unseated in the paddock prior to the race and was replaced. After an initial exam in the track first aid station, Nakatani, regular rider of Lava Man, the early favorite in the $1 million Pacific Classic on Sunday, was taken to Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla for x-rays of a possibly dislocated left shoulder. Nakatani also complained of sore thumbs.

If Nakatani didn't have an MRI they never truly considered a separated shoulder as a viable possibility. The stretching or partial tear of the ligaments or joint capsule that can occur with a separated shoulder can only be picked up by MRI. A plan film or Xray is not the most sensitive test for this disorder.

As far as the "sore thumbs" go, my friend IC has it on high authority that Corey may have been trying to save a few bucks, given his performance at the current meet, when he was doing his own flexible sigmoidoscopy and was "unseated" from his next mount.

Indian Charlie 08-16-2007 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docicu3
If Nakatani didn't have an MRI they never truly considered a separated shoulder as a viable possibility. The stretching or partial tear of the ligaments or joint capsule that can occur with a separated shoulder can only be picked up by MRI. A plan film or Xray is not the most sensitive test for this disorder.

As far as the "sore thumbs" go, my friend IC has it on high authority that Corey may have been trying to save a few bucks, given his performance at the current meet, when he was doing his own flexible sigmoidoscopy and was "unseated" from his next mount.

ouch man!

good one!

actually though, my high authority informed me that he was actually trying to stimulate his brain directly via the sigmoidoscopy.

smuthg 08-16-2007 09:49 AM

Will entries and PP's for Pacific Classic day be available today?

theiman 08-16-2007 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg
Will entries and PP's for Pacific Classic day be available today?

Pacific Classic:
1-- Lava Man -- 5/2
2 -- Albertus Maximus -- 15
3 -- Sun Boat (GB) -- 6
4 -- Awesome Gem -- 15
5 -- Student Council -- 15
6 -- Porfido (CHI) -- 30
7 -- Salty Humor -- 30
8 -- Arson Squad -- 12
9 -- Tiago -- 6
10 -- Big Booster -- 9-2
11 -- A. P. Xcellent -- 8
12 -- Time Squared -- 15
13 -- Hello Sunday (FR) 20

Del Mar Mile:
1 -- Captain Kurt (NZ) -- 6
2 -- Becrux (ITY) -- 4
3 -- Out of Control (BRZ) -- 9-5
4 -- Frank the Barber -- 30
5 -- Isipingo -- 30
6 -- Crossing The Line (NZ) -- 9-2
7 -- Zann -- 8
8 -- Porto Santo -- 8
9 -- Lang Field -- 8

Pat O'Brien Handicap:
1 -- Soul City Slew -- 12
2 -- Absolute Glory -- 20
3 -- Publication -- 6
4 -- Bordonero -- 5-2
5 -- Greg’s Gold -- 2-1
6 -- Surf Cat -- 8-5

2Hot4TV 08-16-2007 08:39 PM

Bruce Headley has not won a race on Cushion or Poly track and Surf Cat will be a short price coming back from a long lay off ? Doesn't seem right to me.:cool:

Sightseek 08-16-2007 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Didn't he run second at Hollywood a few weeks back?

Correct.

Danzig 08-16-2007 08:53 PM

yep, barely lost after his long layoff. looked good in defeat too. had he gotten unwound just a little earlier.....

Mike 08-16-2007 09:45 PM

DRF: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/07pacificclassic.pdf

Moss: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/07pacificclassic.pdf

Bris: http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf..._llc_84386.pdf

Mike 08-16-2007 10:22 PM

Lava Man, Tiago, Time Squared and Hello Sunday make a nice super box

Thunder Gulch 08-17-2007 11:02 PM

That Pac Classic is no easy one. Hard to like Lava at a short price despite his record as he moves to this surface, but it takes a lot to bet against him when he towers over the field. The thinking is closers favor this surface, but there have been enough wire jobs this week to dismiss that somewhat.

Tiago doesn't get me excited going against the older horses either.

Give me some Awesome Gem if he's near the 15-1. There look like several bombs could be a factor if Lava falters.

Indian Charlie 08-18-2007 01:19 AM

by the way, can anyone figure out why baffert decided to go with the forego for midnight lute instead of the o'brien?

i mean, yeah, the forego looks better on the resume, but i think he had about a 90% chance of winning the o'brien and not much of a chance in the forego at all.

his last workout was a blistering 1:22 from the gate over the dmr poly.
the fastest 7f race of the dmr meet? 123.2 by salute the sarge!

King Glorious 08-18-2007 07:52 AM

The Forego is a grade one at Saratoga. The O'Brien isn't. The Forego is run on a real track. The O'Brien isn't. Remember, that workout was during the morning, when the track is closer to being a real track. In the afternoons, it's junk. I wouldn't run a speed horse on it either. No way in hell would I be running Bordonaro here. He couldn't even last the distance of the last race and now he's supposed to last further on that stuff? Good luck. Midnight Lute will run them off their feet in the Forego.

Sightseek 08-18-2007 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
by the way, can anyone figure out why baffert decided to go with the forego for midnight lute instead of the o'brien?

i mean, yeah, the forego looks better on the resume, but i think he had about a 90% chance of winning the o'brien and not much of a chance in the forego at all.

his last workout was a blistering 1:22 from the gate over the dmr poly.
the fastest 7f race of the dmr meet? 123.2 by salute the sarge!

For the reasons King stated below, Baffert said; "if the race were at 7 am I'd keep him here"

Chatain is also going to the Forego.

Danzig 08-18-2007 09:22 AM

supposedly they were hoping to get discreet cat to the forego...now they're hoping to run him at some point during the belmont fall meet.

Indian Charlie 08-18-2007 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
supposedly they were hoping to get discreet cat to the forego...now they're hoping to run him at some point during the belmont fall meet.

i suppose it would help if he had a workout or two first.

my inside secret source to the world of discreet cat has informed me they plan on never running him in america again.

Danzig 08-18-2007 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
i suppose it would help if he had a workout or two first.

my inside secret source to the world of discreet cat has informed me they plan on never running him in america again.

they had an article that i read earlier that said they think he'll work a few times at toga, but won't race til belmont. surprised they're still trying with the horse.

what's the usual recovery period for a throat infection??

Indian Charlie 08-18-2007 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
they had an article that i read earlier that said they think he'll work a few times at toga, but won't race til belmont. surprised they're still trying with the horse.

what's the usual recovery period for a throat infection??

i doubt the throat infection is true. after all, everyone knows discreet cat is impervious to germs.

Bobby Fischer 08-18-2007 09:19 PM

Will he or Won't he ???

Lava Man - will he win ?

i have a rough estimate at 25% (has as good or better chance as anyone but is by no means a lock)

copying 08-19-2007 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
by the way, can anyone figure out why baffert decided to go with the forego for midnight lute instead of the o'brien?

!

Easier pickins' -- See Maimonides, More Happy, Pussycat Doll...

Bobby Fischer 08-19-2007 11:10 AM

in the O'Brien Include the two obvious horses, and then I think you have to toss Bordonaro from at least the exacta. I rank Publication and even Absolute Glory higher. The later is not a strong win candidate but merits use in exotics.

10 pnt move up 08-19-2007 01:37 PM

Tiago is scratched, Sherriffs hates the polytrack just as much as baffert.

ArlJim78 08-19-2007 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Tiago is scratched, Sherriffs hates the polytrack just as much as baffert.

he is at 28% (2/7) at DelMar, compared to 21% for the year.
I wonder why he hates it so much?

Bobby Fischer 08-19-2007 02:31 PM

not too late -
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
in the O'Brien Include the two obvious horses, and then I think you have to toss Bordonaro from at least the exacta. I rank Publication and even Absolute Glory higher. The later is not a strong win candidate but merits use in exotics.

After watching the last 2 days races at Del Mar, I think the above opinion is wrong and I have changed my mind. Bordonaro has an opportunity here to run away with it. Speed has been holding well at the sprints and even some of the 8.5 furlong races. Horses have been pulling away and mostly winning or placing without the bunched up, fanning-out that we have come to love in our artificial racing.

The Classic - hard to use this much here at 10 furlongs... not a bad surface for Lava Man thats for sure.

10 pnt move up 08-19-2007 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
he is at 28% (2/7) at DelMar, compared to 21% for the year.
I wonder why he hates it so much?

I have been told he does not think its safe, not any anti speed issue.

5 of those starts were on turf and both wins were. he has some well bred two year olds he wont run until santa anita on the cushion track.

pgardn 08-19-2007 03:56 PM

Thats a big field for the Pacific. They are not bailing out giving this to Lava Man. Part of that has to be the surface. Maybe lots of trainers think they got a shot. I think this is good.

We got speed, stalkers, closers... good stuff.

King Glorious 08-19-2007 04:58 PM

I like

Surf Cat
Greg's Gold
Bordonaro

Crossing the Line
Porto Santo
Captain Kurt

Lava Man
Hello Sunday
Awesome Gem

For good measure, bet Bro Lo HEAVY in the 9th.

Danzig 08-19-2007 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I have been told he does not think its safe, not any anti speed issue.

5 of those starts were on turf and both wins were. he has some well bred two year olds he wont run until santa anita on the cushion track.

not so...

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40314

he's still running his four year old in the race, so it's not safety. really makes no sense to me. he's got a track that favors closers, and a three year old who is a closer. if it was safety, he'd scratch all of them, right? mentions in the article that another horse came back tired (aren't they all tired after a race?) and i guess he wants something a bit easier on tiago. easy to blame it on the track tho, the current whipping boy in cali.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-19-2007 05:54 PM

I would take Sun Boat,but would only do it at 6-1 or higher.What will that horse go off at..9/2?

10 pnt move up 08-19-2007 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
not so...

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40314

he's still running his four year old in the race, so it's not safety. really makes no sense to me. he's got a track that favors closers, and a three year old who is a closer. if it was safety, he'd scratch all of them, right? mentions in the article that another horse came back tired (aren't they all tired after a race?) and i guess he wants something a bit easier on tiago. easy to blame it on the track tho, the current whipping boy in cali.

saying he is "not handling the track" is the same way as saying I have a colt here worth 10 million bucks and I am not about to take a shot on this stuff, ap excellent who is a dog **** horse is worth the risk. He has owners so he still has to run, but can you tell me why he has not run a single two year old, and he has a barn full, and only 2 dirt horses to date?

pgardn 08-19-2007 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I would take Sun Boat,but would only do it at 6-1 or higher.What will that horse go off at..9/2?

I think you could have got that if Lava Man had not drawn PP 1.

pgardn 08-19-2007 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
saying he is "not handling the track" is the same way as saying I have a colt here worth 10 million bucks and I am not about to take a shot on this stuff, ap excellent who is a dog **** horse is worth the risk. He has owners so he still has to run, but can you tell me why he has not run a single two year old, and he has a barn full, and only 2 dirt horses to date?

Perhaps because he has a bunch of speed and they will die like dogs? Just like Baffert.

ArlJim78 08-19-2007 06:13 PM

I see the espn broadcast of the Pacific Classic is being preceded by the High school scrabble championship.

gee i hope that the scrabble show doesn't go into extra words, i mean overtime.

10 pnt move up 08-19-2007 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Perhaps because he has a bunch of speed and they will die like dogs? Just like Baffert.

not sherriffs, he has bettter distance and turf like pedigrees


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