Vick
 

Two more buddies to plea bargain.

I think we can all say TOAST.

Maybe some jailtime upcoming and Falcons fans... I think you might be without your QB this year.

and the next....time to do some scouting, vicks days as a falcon are over.

Supposedly his lawyers are ready to bargain if it means less than a year in jail.

You get one defendant to talk and then the avalanche begins. Vick had no idea dog fighting was going on at his house. Where the heck did that statement go? It is clear its lots worse than he knew this was occurring if he is agreeing to accept a prison term. Vick was probably one of the main ring leaders. Wonder how many dogs he personally killed...

No way the government will give him less then a year, I hope they throw the book at him, and take it to a jury. They will fry him

Wow from the highest paid NFL player to a year in the slammer. You go, God.

I have resisted commenting on this for quite a while. The thing I really am most interested in knowing his how long they were keeping on eye on the goings on at this house. I know the area fairly well...this place out in Surry is completely in the middle of BFE.

I think there is some stuff going on that isn't being revealed involving the discovery of dogfighting, etc...

For what it's worth, Vick used to be a God here in Roanoke, but a great majority of the people have washed their hands of him...and rightfully so. I used to be a huge fan of him, but no longer.

It has been reported on ESPN that Federal Prosecutors have witnesses that are not even involved with this particular case. A whole slew of them. The Government now has the choke hold on as they might be able to bring even more charges if he does not deal.

If two of the guys have already accepted deals for more than a year (rumor), Vick is going to have to also. He was the $$ in the operation.

Pat....if Im not mistaken, wasnt the original story that the authorities "stumbled upon" this dogfighting when they went looking for another guy, that was living at the house, for unrelated drug charges?

I have a hard time believing that it happened like that. They went to that house, knowing what they were looking for....and that was evidence of dogfighting.

ESPN radio was reporting that time was running out for vick to accept the plea deal. end of business today.
monday the racketeering charges are to come down. if thats the case vick could be looking at 2-6 years.
have you guys read the accounts of the other defendents yet?
before the first raid they hung several "under performing" dogs. a couple survived the hanging and were dround in 5 gal buckets of water.
there CAN'T be enough bad stuff happen to these guys, including vick!

his cousin was arrested for drugs, and listed that house as his address. they served a search warrant for drugs, and found all the dog fighting stuff. at least, that's what was reported originally.
BUT then it came out that people had called in the past about the house and alleged dog fighting.

But the indictment indicates that there has been someone on the inside for quite sometime. All the dates, places, times, $$$ involved going back a couple of years. You don't just stumble on that. I'm not as familiar with that area as Kev is, but I've been through there and he's right, it's BFE. No way they didn't know this was going on. I also saw last night that the state and locals are waiting to charge as well....

And apparently thats why he is more willing to deal with the Feds. The Feds might be able to keep the State away from him. If the State gets a hold of him, he is doing 2 years at least if convicted.

He is in a very tough situation. He may be willing to go to court if the Feds cant get the State to leave him alone.
Maybe his lawyers will try and pull race in and get a big public campaign going. Its worked before. They will trot out all these minor league white trash dog bettors that got probation and say whats the diff?

big difference between a spectator/bettor and an owner/bettor. bad news kennels was his--he funded it. it should be a bigger deal.

he's thru. lifetime ban i'd imagine. good riddance.

While i don't like vick as a person(he is an utter idiot) or a football player(Qb means you throw the ball and someone from your OWN team is supposed to catch it) I really don't see how a lifetime ban is called for here. Look at pacman jones. He's at a place and his entourage gets people shot and paralyzed, but hey he'll be back in a year. Hey its okay if you beat your wife or girlfriend, just serve your time and hey your back in the NFL. I love dogs as much as the next person, but I don't believe the NFL should be banning him for it. Let the NFL teams all pass on him and let him get a real job some where.

the lifetime ban would come from the illegal gambling. nfl wants NO PART of a scandal such as the one the NBA is facing. it is in their code of conduct that such a ban would result from gambling. the only betting allowed is on horse racing.

No doubt. But a jury is a great way to get a group of people together that really dont care to understand the diff. Or maybe not take that diff. into account if race overrides the actual charges.

Not long back they had people on the streets holding up signs chanting for the law to get off his back, just damn dogs dont ya know. Z can you imagine if there was big grass roots support for him that gets started again... Rev. Sharpton would be happy to enter the fray. But only if the ball gets rolling.

I think that is a part of the contract they sign.
I will have to defer but I thought it was.

Dont you know David Stern is breathing a huge sigh of relief that this apparently goes no further than his high school flunky friends. If real mob members involved and more refs... holy mackerel the NBA would be in flames.

and it's up to vick and his lawyers whether they go in front of that jury....they don't have to make a deal. but kowing that additional charges are pending, and that his co-defendants all not only pleaded guilty but are available to testify--i think he'd better take the deal.
supposedly, they want a minimum jail sentence of a year, and vick wants NO jail time. he's in la la land with that one. so, at this point, we all know he's guilty, as an innocent man does not consider a plea....question is, length and severity of punishment.

yes, it's part of the nfl code of conduct.

well with his high power attorneys and money. all he will get is maybe 1 year. he should get more but money talks. and he better plea bargain cause if he is charged with gambling the nfl will have to ban him. like hournig, karras back in the 60's.

that's the sticking point, vick wants no jail and is probably offering to pay a HUGE fine rather than sit in jail. as for the gambling, was that anywhere in the original charge? or is that part of the pending charges? at any rate, if goodell and the nfl find that vick gambled, he's thru.
and of course now the falcons owner came out saying he was shocked (SHOCKED!!) that vick lied. oh, the humanity.
thing is, if he isn't banned for life (as an aside, you think rose has a shot in hell now of ever getting in the hall of fame with these recent scandals?) who will take him? especially when you consider he was more style than substance as a QB.

So, he is going to plead guilty.

Will be interesting to see the deal he has worked out. His attorney has stated “Mr. Vick has agreed to enter a plea of guilty to those charges and to accept full responsibility for his actions and the mistakes he has made. Michael wishes to apologize again to everyone who has been hurt by this matter.”

Going to be interesting from here...

Ugh. I hope that thug never plays in the NFL again.

i would bet money he won't. jail time, when he gets out then he gets his nfl suspension. minimum two years out of the league, two years gone. he'll be old news in '09. that's if he doesn't get a life time ban for the gambling. who would want him a couple years from now, along with all the circus that goes with him? besides, he's just not that good. not even top 20 last year--and there are only 32 teams!

As I stated when the charges were originally filed, innocent until proven guilty or plea copped...now that he has done such, I think he MUST be banned for life, anything less will make a mockery of the NFL...and my PETA buddies will be at every game...as they should be! The latest revolting news, that he personally assisted in the murder of 8 dogs found too passive by hanging them first, then when three survived that horror, holding their heads under water until they drowned is not the actions of a man but a pile of dung...I will wait until the exact terms are announced as to exactly what he admits to but the writing is now on the wall...the bathroom wall!

i wonder tho if anyone would want him even if he's not banned for life--and i'll be completely surprised if he isn't banned permanently. he should be! just glad he's in the nfl, not in baseball. just look at how tough selig was on giambi.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah, hopefully they will drop the hammer on him...if he isn't banned for life and some team picks him up in a couple years, they better be prepared for the reaction...the gambling issue should ultimately be enough to ban him for life though!

4pm espn radio was reporting vick agreed to 18-36 months in jail. jail time was the hold up in the plea and the feds wouldn't budge.
this piece of crap should never set foot on an nfl field again.

also atlanta should try and get back some of the money they have paid him.
he does not deserve it. he is a fellon.

maybe they should try to get san diego to give back ladainian tomlinson whom the chargers took after trading down to the #5 pick so atlanta could guarentee they got vick.

they might also have a call on san diego's 2nd round pick that year, drew brees.

did i mention atlanta also gave another player and 2 more picks?

ouch.


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I think the strategy will now be to show great grief over what he did. Promise to work for PETA (or some other organization that will have him) when he gets out, educating people about what he did and how he has changed.

He has got to do a total repent option play, time can heal bad memories. I think you might see him back on the field in the future if he plays a role of complete remorse. Grovel for forgiveness and hope public memory fades.

Hate to be negative (but here I go anyway :p ), but "I'm sorry" won't bring back the lives of those dogs he killed. He's a straight up prick... I'm not Jesus and therefore I won't forgive and forget that stuff.

and hope that some owner wants a pet murdering qb as the face of their team.
















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Im shut down.

That would be what an intelligent human being would do...I don't see Vick swallowing his ego long enough to play that game (at least without choking on it)...somehow, I don't see PETA having any use for him, if they do, I'll cancel my membership!

Hes a sicko, there is no doubt he deserves to be punished. That being said if you compare dogfighting to child molestation who should get more prisontime? You have many first time sexual assults and child molestors getting less than he may get. He doesnt deserve to be in there longer than a guy who sexually violates women and children.

I certainly agree Bid, but the answer isn't shortening Vick's sentence, rather we should lock up molesters and throw away the key! Shortening Vick's sentence would simply be adding another travesty to an ever-growing list...when I worked in the prison, i heard everyday how unfair it was that this guy or this woman was serving time while others got off...misses the point...sure, some skate but the unfairness has nothing to do with a person paying for his/her crime. Vick is an animal if indeed he pleads to the charges as presented...the fact that other animals sometimes get short sentences won't be fixed by shortening Vick's!