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Sightseek 08-08-2007 09:19 PM

Thoughts on this letter to the editor?
 
Letters like this really irritate me...

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/sto...sdate=8/8/2007

paisjpq 08-08-2007 09:38 PM

tough call....it's always hard when a person who is well spoken takes aspects of truth and twists them to suit an agenda....she's not totally wrong in what she says...and yet I would never say I agree with her either. The dark aspects of the horse racing industry exist and I guess the real message is that it in everyone's best interest to try to fix them....then letters like hers won't have a leg to stand on...until then....she ain't wrong no matter how she says it.

Sightseek 08-08-2007 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
tough call....it's always hard when a person who is well spoken takes aspects of truth and twists them to suit an agenda....she's not totally wrong in what she says...and yet I would never say I agree with her either. The dark aspects of the horse racing industry exist and I guess the real message is that it in everyone's best interest to try to fix them....then letters like hers won't have a leg to stand on...until then....she ain't wrong no matter how she says it.

I guess that is the part that irritated me most as she paints a picture that all of racing is evil and cruel and no one cares. All of life has a dark side - unfortunately.

philcski 08-08-2007 09:45 PM

phucking PETA. She has no idea what she's talking about- ESPECIALLY at Saratoga, which has a tremendously safe surface. She sounds like the woman who was on Larry King.

Alydar dying was NOT the result of an equine injury, but rather the actions of a sick and twisted HUMAN!!!

my miss storm cat 08-08-2007 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
I guess that is the part that irritated me most as she paints a picture that all of racing is evil and cruel and no one cares.

Yeah I know... that kind of thing bothers me too.

MaTH716 08-08-2007 09:51 PM

She is just an ignorant person, hoping to get horse racing caught up in some of the Michael Vick dog fighting wake. She tries to throw big numbers out there, but the percentages are small. It is unfortunate and tragic anytime a horse breaks down or gets pulled up. For that matter, football is a violent sport too. People have had thier lives ruined by career ending injuries. But the industry as a whole is trying to make improvements. Whether we like it or not as handicappers, they say that the synthetic surfaces are safer. Time will tell. I consider this article as trash written by a uneducated PETA drone tring to make a name for herself.

Cannon Shell 08-08-2007 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
tough call....it's always hard when a person who is well spoken takes aspects of truth and twists them to suit an agenda....she's not totally wrong in what she says...and yet I would never say I agree with her either. The dark aspects of the horse racing industry exist and I guess the real message is that it in everyone's best interest to try to fix them....then letters like hers won't have a leg to stand on...until then....she ain't wrong no matter how she says it.

She is not that well spoken, this is a form letter taken from PETA that pops up every year.

Rudeboyelvis 08-08-2007 09:57 PM

I can't imagine how any rational, thinking adult could possibly draw a coorilation between sending animals into a ring to fight for their lives and horse racing...I guess if you want to make a point, and have a forum to do so.....

The end result is that one of them comes out of it alive, albeit bruised, bloodied and tattered - and the other side of the equasion is that rarely, with respect to the amount or races run, misfortune...certainly not planned, expected, "or cheered for" results in a relative demise - keeping in mind that the later is tended to immediately by licensed, trained vetraniarians to insure the animal experiences as little suffering as possible....

Again, hard to fathom that anyone with enough brain cells to think for themselves could possibly look at this without wondering where the author got his/hers credentials

Riot 08-08-2007 09:57 PM

PETA ... the organization that uses Pamela Anderson's breasts to collect money that never helps one animal.

Cannon Shell 08-08-2007 10:02 PM

My letter to the editor.

I am writing about something that is literally killing innocent Americans in the streets on a daily basis. This action is glorified by huge corporations and media outlets on TV and radio every day. Not a minute goes by without some reference to this supposedly ordinary task which actually killed 42,642 people in our country last year, many of them innocent children. 116 people die a day from this cruel, heartless action. Thats almost 6 people per hour!! These deaths are not peaceful either. People wind up mangled worse then Micheal Vicks dogs or Alydar. Often they are decapitated and some just lie there bleeding to death before help can get to them. How can we let this happen!!! We must do something to stop this killer of our people!! Everybody is so focused on the deaths in Iraq when so many more of our people are dying right here in rural America and cities alike. I am asking you to strike out against this silent killer of so many. Stop driving your car. It's more inhumane than horse racing.

Cannon Shell 08-08-2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
PETA ... the organization that uses Pamela Anderson's breasts to collect money that never helps one animal.

They could be better used for certain.

Sightseek 08-08-2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
My letter to the editor.

I am writing about something that is literally killing innocent Americans in the streets on a daily basis. This action is glorified by huge corporations and media outlets on TV and radio every day. Not a minute goes by without some reference to this supposedly ordinary task which actually killed 42,642 people in our country last year, many of them innocent children. 116 people die a day from this cruel, heartless action. Thats almost 6 people per hour!! These deaths are not peaceful either. People wind up mangled worse then Micheal Vicks dogs or Alydar. Often they are decapitated and some just lie there bleeding to death before help can get to them. How can we let this happen!!! We must do something to stop this killer of our people!! Everybody is so focused on the deaths in Iraq when so many more of our people are dying right here in rural America and cities alike. I am asking you to strike out against this silent killer of so many. Stop driving your car. It's more inhumane than horse racing.

You really should send that in...

mclem10011 08-08-2007 10:17 PM

I'm no expert....
 
But in my opinion, the letter comes off as a pissed off person, spewing some numbers from a book or website or two. Any of us can look up numbers, and like has been pointed out paint the whole industry as evil. If we didn't bother to really investigate the business, and tell the rest of the story. We all know the industry has issues, and certainly the equine athletes don't lives don't always end the way we all would want. However, from reading all the great peoples words on this board, hearing the wonderful interviews that Steve conducts, and from just watching and reading about the sport, this article is way to one sided. No matter how well intended the writer may or may not have been intending to sound. IMO

Coach Pants 08-08-2007 10:35 PM

"Now I don't have to tell you good folks what's been happening in our beloved little town. Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted, people stampeded, and cattle raped. The time has come to act, and act fast. I'm leaving."

Suffolk Shippers 08-08-2007 11:33 PM

It can't be denied that death on track is a very unfortunate aspect of racing, and I think if she wanted to make that point, she could have without comparing it to the Mike Vick case or saying just downright inaccurate stuff, like the lines about Barbaro.

I know most of us are die hard gamblers in the game, and I am, too...but deep down I think we all have an affection for the animal. Mike Vick had no affection for the dogs in his sick ring. I would never in my life remain to bet on a race where the horses were basically running to the death, which is basically what this woman is saying. She says that the horses are bred to die in a cruel fashion, which is not at all true.

She raises a valid point about racing's dark side, but her rationale to back it up is just conjecture and very flawed. Wrong, as well.

Riot 08-09-2007 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
They could be better used for certain.

Pam's breasts or the money?

There is a lawsuit trying to revoke PETA's 501c status, btw.

docicu3 08-09-2007 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
My letter to the editor.

I am writing about something that is literally killing innocent Americans in the streets on a daily basis. This action is glorified by huge corporations and media outlets on TV and radio every day. Not a minute goes by without some reference to this supposedly ordinary task which actually killed 42,642 people in our country last year, many of them innocent children. 116 people die a day from this cruel, heartless action. Thats almost 6 people per hour!! These deaths are not peaceful either. People wind up mangled worse then Micheal Vicks dogs or Alydar. Often they are decapitated and some just lie there bleeding to death before help can get to them. How can we let this happen!!! We must do something to stop this killer of our people!! Everybody is so focused on the deaths in Iraq when so many more of our people are dying right here in rural America and cities alike. I am asking you to strike out against this silent killer of so many. Stop driving your car. It's more inhumane than horse racing.

Maybe we should ask Steve to invite her on the show and expose her for what she is. You wouldn't have to be rude or abusive, a civil debate would possibly educate the woman and then you distribute the tape and PODCAST to media outlets around the world. It is the only way to deal with someone like this by holding them responsible in the court of public opinion...

Ray 08-09-2007 01:20 AM

I wish I could tie that morons leg to a truck . i bet she dont give a shiit about what happened to that poor cow before it became a rib eye steak.

Split Rock 08-09-2007 01:35 AM

I also disagree with her in most of her claims.
1) Racehorses are bred to run and the fact that they run, racing or elsewhere, is quite the opposite of inhumane.
2) Racehorses are typically given the best feed and bedding, compared to others on pastures and fields.
3) Racehorses are looked after more medically. Of course owners and trainers want to identify any ailments in order to produce the best racing outcomes. But, regardless of the incentive, money is spent to keep racehorses healthy.

I do agree with her on some of the issues. The points she makes about drugs and inhumane treatment of retired horses is spot on. Drugging a horse, without the concern of their longterm well being is abhorent.

Discarding of retired horses, breaking their legs, etc? Come on...are you kidding me? That is serial killer type behavior. What kind of person can stand there and watch a horses leg get broken by dragging it with a truck? That is absolutely non human behavior. That person should be investigated for any unsolved murders.

ALostTexan 08-09-2007 02:18 AM

Well, according to this article, Pam Anderson and her large, fake breasts are a problem, as they have been linked to increased suicide risk. What is PETA going to do now? They are represented by a woman who has had an unethical (but nice) procedure that leads to increased suicide risk for humans to promote a more ethical treatment of animals. Interesting...

The Indomitable DrugS 08-09-2007 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Split Rock
I do agree with her on some of the issues. The points she makes about drugs and inhumane treatment of retired horses is spot on.

I agree

NoChanceToDance 08-09-2007 04:04 AM

In the majority, racehorses around the world are treated well 365 days of the year. They are bred to do the job of racing.

The majority of these horses love doing their 'job'.

It's just a sad fact that a tiny percentage of people in this industry let the side down, and it is this tiny percentage that the 'haters' pick up on. There are trainers out there that don't provide the best care, that don't treat their horses with the respect they deserve. Whatever the industry there is always going to be a small number that spoil it, why? Who knows.

It was an interesting point about the drugs. Do you guys really think the horses actually become addicted to these drugs, especially in America where druf usage is high, although legal? I must say, coming from a country where drugs are strctly forbidden in the sport i am against it, but after all of these years it would be almost impossible to change that ruling.

ARyan 08-09-2007 11:04 AM

PETA....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

Cannon Shell 08-09-2007 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Pam's breasts or the money?

Both

Cannon Shell 08-09-2007 11:51 AM

Anyone that agrees with just about anything said in this letter fails to see the forest through the trees. Her comments about "drugs" are stupid. Her assertion that there are horses addicted to "morphine" is false. Her using Alydar's situation as something that is commonplace in our industry is idiotic. Her comparison of dog fighting and horseracing is ludicrious. Her opinion about the owners intention concerning Barbaro is misguided. Her tone and attitude is condesending which is ironic for anyone from Hoosick Falls to be condenscending about anything. Anyone can take the negatives about anything and twist facts to serve their own agenda. Agreeing with her about anything in the context that its presented in shows a lack of understanding about what is going on in the industry.

sumitas 08-09-2007 03:09 PM

Improvements can still be made in this sport insofar as regulating drugs, outlawing dirt, and mandating a minimum number of days between races.

horseofcourse 08-09-2007 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Anyone that agrees with just about anything said in this letter fails to see the forest through the trees. Her comments about "drugs" are stupid. Her assertion that there are horses addicted to "morphine" is false. Her using Alydar's situation as something that is commonplace in our industry is idiotic. Her comparison of dog fighting and horseracing is ludicrious. Her opinion about the owners intention concerning Barbaro is misguided. Her tone and attitude is condesending which is ironic for anyone from Hoosick Falls to be condenscending about anything. Anyone can take the negatives about anything and twist facts to serve their own agenda. Agreeing with her about anything in the context that its presented in shows a lack of understanding about what is going on in the industry.

C'mon, what's a horse trainer know about the industry compared to Pam Anderson and her breasts!!!

Holland Hacker 08-10-2007 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
phucking PETA. She has no idea what she's talking about- ESPECIALLY at Saratoga, which has a tremendously safe surface. She sounds like the woman who was on Larry King.

Alydar dying was NOT the result of an equine injury, but rather the actions of a sick and twisted HUMAN!!!

I agree but you forgot GREEDY & Egotistical.

Thunder Gulch 08-10-2007 09:35 AM

OOOOOHHHH....don't get me started on these liberal tree hugging crazies. :mad: I love animals and some of the cruelty cases you hear about make me sick, but PETA and their supporters always try to twist facts to forward their views. Last I checked, humans are still at the top of the chain here on earth. Go eat a veggie burger or something- no wait, you might have to painfully pluck fruit from a plant to do that.

Riot 08-10-2007 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Anyone that agrees with just about anything said in this letter fails to see the forest through the trees. Her comments about "drugs" are stupid. Her assertion that there are horses addicted to "morphine" is false. Her using Alydar's situation as something that is commonplace in our industry is idiotic. Her comparison of dog fighting and horseracing is ludicrious. Her opinion about the owners intention concerning Barbaro is misguided. Her tone and attitude is condesending which is ironic for anyone from Hoosick Falls to be condenscending about anything. Anyone can take the negatives about anything and twist facts to serve their own agenda. Agreeing with her about anything in the context that its presented in shows a lack of understanding about what is going on in the industry.

You view the content of that ridiculous letter in a kinder and more generous light than I do ;)

Echo Farm 08-10-2007 05:36 PM

Pure drivel from a PETA inspired WACKO!

Quote:

Think about Alydar, who placed in all three Triple Crown races in 1978. His owners claimed he shattered his leg when he kicked his stall door. According to the FBI investigating insurance fraud, his leg was deliberately broken when it was tied with a rope to a pickup truck and pulled.
I'd love to see that from a legetimate source.............won't happen. (I don't think)

What happened to the 2x4 theory or the crowbar theory.

Rope would have left marks, truck would have left tracks. I have seen the barn Alydar was in. He was found in his stall. I guess they dragged him around, then got him back into his stall without a trace of blood or anything.


(Not that JT Lundy isn't a lowlife scum.)

first 4 results of this search are all nutcases spewing their garbage.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...22&btnG=Search

The Bid 08-10-2007 06:54 PM

That lady sounds like my second ex wife

VOL JACK 08-10-2007 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
That lady sounds like my second ex wife


U must carry a prenup in your wallet..:)

The Indomitable DrugS 08-11-2007 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
My letter to the editor.

I am writing about something that is literally killing innocent Americans in the streets on a daily basis. This action is glorified by huge corporations and media outlets on TV and radio every day. Not a minute goes by without some reference to this supposedly ordinary task which actually killed 42,642 people in our country last year, many of them innocent children. 116 people die a day from this cruel, heartless action. Thats almost 6 people per hour!! These deaths are not peaceful either. People wind up mangled worse then Micheal Vicks dogs or Alydar. Often they are decapitated and some just lie there bleeding to death before help can get to them. How can we let this happen!!! We must do something to stop this killer of our people!! Everybody is so focused on the deaths in Iraq when so many more of our people are dying right here in rural America and cities alike. I am asking you to strike out against this silent killer of so many. Stop driving your car. It's more inhumane than horse racing.

I agree.

I drove a jeep through the back of my dads garage when I was about 12. He asked me to back it up and park it.

I thought the damn thing had enough sense to know to go backwords on it's own.

And stepping down on the gas to try and make it stop, when it started inching forward --- that wasn't the smartest of ideas either.

Mike9J 08-11-2007 10:24 AM

Thoughts on Letter to Editor
 
Her letter is of course one sided and biased, but even having a touch of truth is too much to put up with. As long as the industry insists on so many races at so many tracks every day, running less than healthy animals will be necessary and accepted.
With intertrack and satellite racing, it would seem less tracks need to run as many days...but greed is a terrible thing, and has ruined many sports.
Just my humble opinion.

Cannon Shell 08-11-2007 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I agree.

I drove a jeep through the back of my dads garage when I was about 12. He asked me to back it up and park it.

I thought the damn thing had enough sense to know to go backwords on it's own.

And stepping down on the gas to try and make it stop, when it started inching forward --- that wasn't the smartest of ideas either.

Sounds like Ferris Buehler

Cannon Shell 08-11-2007 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike9J
Her letter is of course one sided and biased, but even having a touch of truth is too much to put up with. As long as the industry insists on so many races at so many tracks every day, running less than healthy animals will be necessary and accepted.
With intertrack and satellite racing, it would seem less tracks need to run as many days...but greed is a terrible thing, and has ruined many sports.
Just my humble opinion.

Outside of maybe boxing what other sports are you refering to?

deltagulf 08-11-2007 03:14 PM

if its a form letter i pay no attention to it . the person should write the editor with own words and facts.

TheSpyder 08-11-2007 04:31 PM

The #1 Killer is Exposed
 
If we really want to reduce deaths in this country forget cars, although they do cause many deaths.

The number one killer is that absolutely abohorant action that eventualy brings people do their doom....eventually.

Having sex....and nine months later another child is born that is sure to one day die of something.

Spyder


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