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NTamm1215 08-08-2007 04:18 PM

Where are the Arlington entries?
 
I thought they were supposed to be up today...does anyone know anything different? They're usually up by 1:00 PM CDT.

NT

Scav 08-08-2007 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I thought they were supposed to be up today...does anyone know anything different? They're usually up by 1:00 PM CDT.

NT

Yeah, it is driving me nuts...They drew the big races at Noon today......Blame Habersham

Scav 08-08-2007 04:33 PM

The overnight
http://www.arlingtonpark.com/racing_...ght%208-11.pdf

Scav 08-08-2007 04:38 PM

Pretty shitty card for Million Day. The 6th and 7th look like the best wagering opportunities.

ArlJim78 08-08-2007 04:44 PM

the bigger question, will it dry out?
its been monsoon week here so far.

Scav 08-08-2007 04:50 PM

It will be soft, suppose to rain tomorrow and then dry Friday/Saturday.

What is surprising is that they are running 4 turf races before the Million (6 total), that, has never happened since I have been alive. No one usually touches the turf until the Beverely D, then the Million, then the Secretariat.

If I had to guess, they will pull the 4th race (Illinois Allowance race) off the turf and put it on Polyturf

brianwspencer 08-08-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
It will be soft, suppose to rain tomorrow and then dry Friday/Saturday.

What is surprising is that they are running 4 turf races before the Million (6 total), that, has never happened since I have been alive. No one usually touches the turf until the Beverely D, then the Million, then the Secretariat.

If I had to guess, they will pull the 4th race (Illinois Allowance race) off the turf and put it on Polyturf

Wow. I figured the Sea O'Erin would be the only other one....what's up with using it three other times before the big ones?

I didn't know that was going to happen.

Scav 08-08-2007 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Wow. I figured the Sea O'Erin would be the only other one....what's up with using it three other times before the big ones?

I didn't know that was going to happen.

Beverely D is always before the Million, they play around with the Secretariat but the last couple years it has been after the Million. My guess it that they are trying to get graded status for the Sea O' Erin ( I think it was graded years ago). It is a great prep for the BC Mile and could start to attract some decent horses if it became graded.

The only reason to move it to Million Day and is a nice addition. Would love to see Fort Prado win and consider the BC Mile, would be awesome.

brianwspencer 08-08-2007 05:01 PM

Pick your poison.

http://equibase.com/static/entry/AP081107USA-EQB.html
http://drf.com/entries/11/eAP11.html?rn=397558

brianwspencer 08-08-2007 05:07 PM

And Scav -- you're totally right.

A weak card compared to some from Million days past.

No Smart Deb, no Cigar, but we are treated to a 35K claimer, an 18K claimer, and a statebred entry level turf allowance with the usual suspects taking turns trying to accidentally win and somehow clear the condition.

Sightseek 08-08-2007 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
the bigger question, will it dry out?
its been monsoon week here so far.

After Market's worst races came over yielding, correct?

NoChanceToDance 08-08-2007 05:56 PM

Softer ground the better for Doctor Dino. Just not sure if he is classy enough to win, although on his last run behind Shadow Gate, he has every chance with an in form jockey booked.

Is Arlington a hard track to ride (as long as your name isn't Jamie Spencer)

ArlJim78 08-08-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
After Market's worst races came over yielding, correct?

don't know about that one. but if it comes up on the soft side I wonder how horses that have been racing on the west coast turf will take to it.
Like After Market or Citronnade.

brianwspencer 08-08-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
don't know about that one. but if it comes up on the soft side I wonder how horses that have been racing on the west coast turf will take to it.
Like After Market or Citronnade.

Interesting too because she's got Jennie R. to deal with up front on Saturday, and it appears from the past that Jennie R. is going to be a bit happier up front with softer ground.

tiznowthegreat 08-08-2007 06:18 PM

Why in the world would Arlington not have an all stakes P4?

brianwspencer 08-08-2007 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
Why in the world would Arlington not have an all stakes P4?

Guaranteed ($250K?) pick-3......

Sightseek 08-08-2007 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Interesting too because she's got Jennie R. to deal with up front on Saturday, and it appears from the past that Jennie R. is going to be a bit happier up front with softer ground.

She will laugh in the face of Jennie R. (I hope anyway)

ArlJim78 08-08-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Interesting too because she's got Jennie R. to deal with up front on Saturday, and it appears from the past that Jennie R. is going to be a bit happier up front with softer ground.

i think Citronnade is awesome, but the turf is deeper and gives me a little pause. i wouldn't be too worried about anyone giving her trouble so much on the front end, I mean she has just laughed at the competition recently, no one has been able to lay a glove on her. but 1 3/16 on a deeper course? I'm keeping my mind open at the moment. Lady Of Venice also ran out of her mind last time on first lasix. I also don't know yet how to rate Irridescense but I have to give her a look as well.

ALostTexan 08-08-2007 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Guaranteed ($250K?) pick-3......

Not that it probably wouldn't make it that high anyway, but should make it a bit more interesting...

ArlJim78 08-08-2007 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
She will laugh in the face of Jennie R. (I hope anyway)

thats funny, I just used the same term:)

brianwspencer 08-08-2007 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
She will laugh in the face of Jennie R. (I hope anyway)

I didn't say that Jennie R. was going to win! (Well, I did once in a thread last week, but I was completely joking....and still nobody called me on it), just that she may enjoy herself up front a bit more and that could be a bad thing for Citronnade because I'm pretty sure Jennie R. will be on the lead.

I'd actually be thrilled to lose my money and see Jennie R. win this thing, but really, let's be serious....

Sightseek 08-08-2007 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i think Citronnade is awesome, but the turf is deeper and gives me a little pause. i wouldn't be too worried about anyone giving her trouble so much on the front end, I mean she has just laughed at the competition recently, no one has been able to lay a glove on her. but 1 3/16 on a deeper course? I'm keeping my mind open at the moment. Lady Of Venice also ran out of her mind last time on first lasix. I also don't know yet how to rate Irridescense but I have to give her a look as well.

And she was able to kick home real strongly at Lone Star before that on less than desirable turf.

Sightseek 08-08-2007 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
thats funny, I just used the same term:)

Great minds!

LOVE this filly...really like the whole field actually.

ArlJim78 08-08-2007 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
And she was able to kick home real strongly at Lone Star before that on less than desirable turf.

how she closed in the CashCall, and where she closed from totally blew me away.

ArlJim78 08-08-2007 08:01 PM

well pp's are up now, and I already have huge concern for
Citronnade.at this point leaning more towards Royal Highness and Honey Rider.

Scav 08-08-2007 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
well pp's are up now, and I already have huge concern for
Citronnade.at this point leaning more towards Royal Highness and Honey Rider.

Irrisdence Jim, Irrisdence. I agree about Royal Highness, would be a great thing for Douglas to win one of these races also. While I think the Melhor Ainda Beverly D was one of the greatest editions that I have seen, this years is extremely competitive. Honestly, I love the fact that Jennie R is in this race, she has zero shot at hitting the board and could take Citronade with her

Scav 08-08-2007 09:50 PM

Also, Races 7-9 is a 250k Guaranteed Pick Three, Race 9-12 is a 200k Guaranteed Pick Four

jwkniska 08-08-2007 10:41 PM

one of these days I'm gonna hit the pick 3... been DQ'd from the pick 3 or pick 4 twice... it's my turn

Scav 08-08-2007 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jwkniska
one of these days I'm gonna hit the pick 3... been DQ'd from the pick 3 or pick 4 twice... it's my turn

two years ago I crushed it with Powerscourt. CRUSHED IT. Last year friggin heart boy(or is it brain boy) crushed me.

I don't know how I feel about this card yet, I usually don't get a good feel for Arlington cards until I get the inhouse program in my hand, for some reason I am much more comfortable with that instead of the form.

Alan07 08-09-2007 12:36 AM

Any chances the Frankel filly scratches due to soft Turf

Scav 08-09-2007 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan07
Any chances the Frankel filly scratches due to soft Turf

There is always a chance when the trainer is Bobby Frankel. If that happened I will be VERY upset because I am not including her on any of my tickets, and she will be 8/5 or 7/5

brianwspencer 08-09-2007 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
There is always a chance when the trainer is Bobby Frankel. If that happened I will be VERY upset because I am not including her on any of my tickets, and she will be 8/5 or 7/5

Could not be more with you -- she may be on a tiny little saver ticket, but I think Jennie puts her out of her element, and when that one quits at the eighth pole, the closers will prove more effective.

The numbers up front should be swift too, based on how Jennie has been running her last few. She changes the entire race for the better if you're looking to play against Citronnade.

Without digging into it too much further until tomorrow afternoon, give me Irridescence.

NTamm1215 08-09-2007 10:36 AM

In my mind there is no doubt that Honey Ryder is the best horse in the race. With that said, 1 3/16 is probably not her best distance. She was all out to get up at 1 1/4 last year in the Flower Bowl and it wasn't until the last 3/16 of the Sheepshead Bay before she was rolling. Gomez will have to put her into the race a bit earlier, but given that the pace should be hot, they may be coming back to her just enough to set up that late run.

The other one worth considering would have to be Lady of Venice. With so much focus on Citronnade, Irridescence, and Honey Ryder, LOV has a great chance to be fourth choice at somewhere around 5 or 6-1. That makes her a very interesting prospect because the pace will be good for her as well. Can't like Jennie or the McLaughlin recent allowance winner, but I really wouldn't be surprised if any of the other five are in the mix when the running starts.

NT


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