obama-invade pakistan
 

barrack obama has been critical of clinton and other dems for voting for the iraq war.
now he says we need to go into pakistan, that musharef isn't doing enough to rid his country of terrorists. he wants out of iraq, more troops in afganistan, and open a front in pakistan.

good idea or bad idea?

Terrible idea.

i think barack is doing exactly what i thought would happen...exposing his lack of knowledge and experience, particularly regarding foreign policy. he wants to meet with rogue nations, withouth condition, and then broaches the idea of invading an ally. now pakistan is no england or israel, but they are considered an ally all the same....i agree that they should do more, and i am heartened by a possible power sharing deal between musharaf and bhutto. i think that would be a step in the right direction.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...into_pakistan/

That's just playing pin the tail on the donkey picking countries to invade like our current president has. Ridiculous concept.

if I here "war on terror" one more time I will gag. One of the worst concepts in the history of the planet.

"if I here "war on terror" one more time I will gag. One of the worst concepts in the history of the planet."

cosign.

we've had a very hard time with our wars on nouns. did we defeat drugs yet? has poverty surrendered?

i hope we never try to take on a verb. i hear action words are tougher.

just imagine if they start adding adverbs....

it's like the election season, i'll fight for you, we're on the attack, etc. everything is a battle.

like i heard the other day, we're trying to use our military for a job that belongs to the police. they aren't interchangeable, much as we'd like to hammer things into submission.

So true! I think Superman needs a few more years of seasoning! Not-read-for-primetime,Baby!

i think he exposed himself (and his aides) very badly here. who is helping him put this stuff together? and are they the ones who will be filling positions if he should actually happen to be elected?

not superman yet--maybe a boy wonder. he needs to go back to foreign policy 101.

You didn't see him standing underneath the Superman statue?

lol

he wishes.

perhaps there was kryptonite nearby, and he started feeling whoozy. how else explain his plans to invade pakistan?

I think the photo was on Drudge!

He is playing a dangerous political game. A slap at the Clinton's. I hope he was informed Pakistan has nukes. Sad to say, but these countries must be dealt with differently. Pakistan is an ally only in that their government has made attempts to help in certain situations. But a very significant portion of the population is rabidly anti US (many for religious reasons, others because we are more friendly with their most hated neighbor, India). Their political leaders know this. Very unstable situation in that country.

I think you are all crazy. God forbid we start hunting down the people we actually need to find and instead go after the easy targets.

Surely you're speaking of Obama!

we've been trying to hunt them down, the problem is that they're in Pakistan.
An invasion/military operation is out of the question. This country is basically an ally only because of Musharaf who is hanging on by a string. Large sections of their muslim population hate us, and its a very populous nation.

Oh, and by the way, they have nuclear weapons.

Obama chances are now gone, finished. He is exposed as a lightweight anti-war candidate who wants to invade an ally with nuclear weapons.

do you really feel Iraq has been easy?

which is why it is madness for obama to suggest this-just think what that group will want to do now!

then again, tis madness to ever announce something like this ahead of time! what's that line in the godfather? never let them know what you're thinking.

i agree. he didn't shoot himself in the foot, he blew it off clean.

I agree

I really feel Obama's intentions in this matter were twofold:

1. Separation and bashing of the Clinton's (they will become great friends AFTER the Democratic primary)

2. Show that he is no water lilly when it comes to using US force.

I seriously doubt he would ever attempt the most drastic of measures mentioned in the article after consultations with the military and diplomats. The man is not stupid. I think he will reword his statements into something like giving the US leeway into making surgical strikes into Afghanistan to disrupt terrorist camps, etc... after consultations with the various Afghan political groups

I also think people are looking for a reason to trash him and he gave them one. I think the Republicans fear his candidacy more than Hillary so they jump at a misstep. It also gives the other Democratic candidates some breathing room if they jump on this.

I highly doubt this. Hillary would/will be much tougher. the republicans would easily have a field day with Obama. the more he talks the more mistakes he will make and the more his inexperience will show through. yeah he wanted to look somewhat hawkish, to separate himself from the other dems. instead what it sounds like he is saying is "we should not be fighting the war in Iraq, if I were president we'd fight the war in Pakistan", this kind of saber rattling is not going to appeal to either side of the debate.

they also have him in Florida because all they have to do is run his statement that as soon as he is elected he wants to sit down with castro.

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Your points are well taken. I just believe the hatred of the Clinton's runs very, very deep.
Of course at this point the Republicans appear to be very weak. That will change.

"Your points are well taken."


Thank you so much.

i don't think the repubs feared him much--i think clinton did, especially after those fund-raising #'s came out, but i don't think anyone else really did. far less reason to worry about him now. he's showed himself to be a rookie, and that's the last thing we need to lead this country.

no need to find trash btw, this guy didn't need anyone to help him have mis-steps exposed. too young, too soon in his career--and after clinton was president, a lot of people said in hindsight, he was too young as well.

Well who do the Republicans fear? Or they fear none as they have no candidate yet?

who do they fear? probably petraus.

did you hear that congress has 3% approval rating?

hillary is still far ahead in polls--yet most feel she has no chance in a general election. so in a way, i guess the reps only need fear themselves and making missteps.

I think that notion is changing slowly, on both sides. Some on the right are starting to realize that they can't count on Hillary-Hate as a way to get the Oval Office, and those on the left who don't think she's liberal enough for their tastes are seeing a shift.

Give it some time. We hear so much about her high negatives, yet she's still polling ahead of any named Republican, and she polls higher than a generic "Republican Candidate."

I think a year ago people thought she'd have no chance in the general -- I think it's a big mistake for anyone to assume she has little chance in the general election any longer...she's debating her way into the White House...and just wait until she gets against whichever bumbling fool the Repubs nominate. Guarantee you she will school that person in every debate.

i just think there are still too many who just won't vote for a woman. and it sure wouldn't bother me if that attitude was to change! i mean, way to consider what they have to say!:rolleyes: long way to go, i wish they hadn't started electioneering so soon.

I just think the more people listen to her talk and get to know her, the more people's misconceptions/preconceived notions of her will change.

The early election campaign thing is obnoxious, but for someone like her, it may be her best asset because it gives people more time to listen to her and sort of get that automatic-Clinton-hating thing out of their heads. We will see, won't we!

dream on, polls at this point mean nothing. no one is paying any attention.
if she becomes the apparent nominee the republians will start to poll better, and once in the spotlight her negatives will go up again. don't be surprised if someone you consider a unappealing bumbling dope beats her in the general election handily. i don't even think the Dem nomination is a lock for her, although its looking stronger. things have a way of shifting once actual votes are cast.

She'll do just fine, there isn't a Republican candidate with fewer problems than she has. Not one. Their negatives will skyrocket once they get in the spotlight, because with the exception of Giuliani, the majority of the country (the portion that votes but doesn't pay attention in the years in between) has NO IDEA who any of them are or what they're all about.

Normally, I would think that the guaranteed schooling she serves up to whoever challenges her in the debates (really, there's not one Republican candidate who could intellectually/politically go toe to toe with her in a live debate) would make her even more appealing to voters and increase her positives, but then again I tend to forget that being intelligent and well-spoken was only a requirement for being president last century.

i know she polls in the lead, as does guliani--but like jim said (and i said) it's dammed early....and her negative #'s are high too. long ways to go--and way too soon to tell. but i think obama has hurt himself, and it looks like mitt romney is doing better. but the polls have the two with the most name recognition in the lead, which makes perfect sense right now.
i'm waiting for a year from now!

i like some things hillary has said, but she is too socialist-leaning for me. guliani has said some things i agree with, but....i don't trust him at all.

Ok Jim then who is it? Now you are saying Hillary has too many negatives. Edwards? Its not obama and you appear to now be saying its not Hillary. So you got a rep. winning no matter what?

Or what?

I know its early but we are discussing this.

I believe the Dems will self-destruct at the Convention!

would not be the first time...

Hillary and Obama are not talking.
They speak thru aides. Not hearing aides.
Rather childish.

Hillary can't talk without cue cards and big crowds obviously disarm Obama!

i agree. we spend billions on iraq for zero results. meanwhile bin ladden sits in some cave hatching the next hit! we should of put 160,000 troops on the border of afganastan and pakastan and demanded the surrender of al queda. if we didn't get them then we should of went in. welcome to iraq and the USA police department. thats all we are there, the police. its a joke and a farce. oh yeah and a waste of billions $$$$$$$$$$